DEAD at 43 What the fk is wrong with we bb'ers.

[Massive G]

Just got word a former training partner of mine and freind died of a heart attack at 43. He needed by-pass surgery and didn't want the scar so he eventually perished for bodybuilding.

I could write a death pool for fromer freinds of mine that are dead or have severe health problems from the lifestyle.

I trained with a kid early on in my career. Big kid. Best genetics I ever saw he was 280 and lean (this was 15 years ago and the only people walking around lean and mean at 280 were guys like yates and richards so 280 was a big deal), squatted 700 benched 550 deaded 7-8 plates.
Lived the lifestyle ate slept and trained. I'd go over to his house and he'd have like 20 bottles of pills laid out all different mixes of vitamins and minerals and timed out doses all meals on the minute every hour and a half trained twice a day napped 2-3 times a day etc. lived off a trust fund.
Trouble is he was doing AAS and didn't want people to know, so he hid it but we knew. He was getting Steris stuff straight from the hospital.
Problem is he couldn't get needles as delaware had a very very strict law about needles and this was the days before the www. He reused needles and ended up getting septicemia and it going to his brain and killing him. I remember watching his ashes being spread on the beach after his service and thinking "what a waste" but it never slowed me down to not try AAS later and doing all the risky business of getting super heavy.

I don't expect people to pay attention to any warnings from the baldnazi threads and hellaswole et all.
"It'll never happen to me" mentality sucks.
Somehow I have to turn this off and just remove myself from the sport. 20 years in the game with over a decade of "use" off and on is enough.

Nobody cares. Nobody listens. why even try I ask to waste my time educating people?

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Massive

Just got word a former training partner of mine and freind died of a heart attack at 43. He needed by-pass surgery and didn't want the scar so he eventually perished for bodybuilding.

I could write a death pool for fromer freinds of mine that are dead or have severe health problems from the lifestyle.

I trained with a kid early on in my career. Big kid. Best genetics I ever saw he was 280 and lean (this was 15 years ago and the only people walking around lean and mean at 280 were guys like yates and richards so 280 was a big deal), squatted 700 benched 550 deaded 7-8 plates.
Lived the lifestyle ate slept and trained. I'd go over to his house and he'd have like 20 bottles of pills laid out all different mixes of vitamins and minerals and timed out doses all meals on the minute every hour and a half trained twice a day napped 2-3 times a day etc. lived off a trust fund.
Trouble is he was doing AAS and didn't want people to know, so he hid it but we knew. He was getting Steris stuff straight from the hospital.
Problem is he couldn't get needles as delaware had a very very strict law about needles and this was the days before the www. He reused needles and ended up getting septicemia and it going to his brain and killing him. I remember watching his ashes being spread on the beach after his service and thinking "what a waste" but it never slowed me down to not try AAS later and doing all the risky business of getting super heavy.

I don't expect people to pay attention to any warnings from the baldnazi threads and hellaswole et all.
"It'll never happen to me" mentality sucks.
Somehow I have to turn this off and just remove myself from the sport. 20 years in the game with over a decade of "use" off and on is enough.

Nobody cares. Nobody listens. why even try I ask to waste my time educating people?

We listen.......really. For every km2000 out there there is a kid who heeds your advice..........

 

[thebrick]

Most will not listen, but some will. That makes it worth the effort to say what you just did.

 

[AWN2004]

Its a selfish sport. You would think that with all the emphisis on yourself you would pay attention to your health a little bit. I'm sorry to hear about your friend G. It's a shame and terrible. To be honest, I wish I had never discovered certain aspects of this sport and over the last year I have been making smarter decisions based on this.

 

[Tom]

Just got word a former training partner of mine and freind died of a heart attack at 43. He needed by-pass surgery and didn't want the scar so he eventually perished for bodybuilding.

I could write a death pool for fromer freinds of mine that are dead or have severe health problems from the lifestyle.

I trained with a kid early on in my career. Big kid. Best genetics I ever saw he was 280 and lean (this was 15 years ago and the only people walking around lean and mean at 280 were guys like yates and richards so 280 was a big deal), squatted 700 benched 550 deaded 7-8 plates.
Lived the lifestyle ate slept and trained. I'd go over to his house and he'd have like 20 bottles of pills laid out all different mixes of vitamins and minerals and timed out doses all meals on the minute every hour and a half trained twice a day napped 2-3 times a day etc. lived off a trust fund.
Trouble is he was doing AAS and didn't want people to know, so he hid it but we knew. He was getting Steris stuff straight from the hospital.
Problem is he couldn't get needles as delaware had a very very strict law about needles and this was the days before the www. He reused needles and ended up getting septicemia and it going to his brain and killing him. I remember watching his ashes being spread on the beach after his service and thinking "what a waste" but it never slowed me down to not try AAS later and doing all the risky business of getting super heavy.

I don't expect people to pay attention to any warnings from the baldnazi threads and hellaswole et all.
"It'll never happen to me" mentality sucks.
Somehow I have to turn this off and just remove myself from the sport. 20 years in the game with over a decade of "use" off and on is enough.

Nobody cares. Nobody listens. why even try I ask to waste my time educating people?

it's not in vain....if you nudge just one person into getting bloodwork done and they have a horrible lipid profile that they take steps to correct, you've acclomplished something. if somebody were on the fence about starting juice and you swayed them from it, you've acclomplished something more. some of us are listening, so don't go away....

 

[edge250]

i wanna call bullshit on your thread G.


between what i took away from phil and the stuff you posted i now take more freakin vitamins than i ever have in my life, lol.


seriously though if only 1 person on here listened then you saved/prolonged somebodies life and that is about the best thing you could do for someone.


what concerns me is that even after eatting 100% healthy, taking all the precautions, cardio, etc simply because being the size we are we put ourselves at high risks. i am not truely healthy no matter what i do because i walk around at the size i do, everyone here does.

 

[MAINEVENT]

Sorry to hear about your friend Massive G.

Like the posts above stated, there ARE some out there who are listening. Maybe they are silent about it, but they're there.

These threads seem to go around about once a year and it really hits home. Then for some reason, it fades and most get caught back up into the game.

 

[Air Supply]

at what point does this lifestyle get too risky?

 

[maldorf]

Just got word a former training partner of mine and freind died of a heart attack at 43. He needed by-pass surgery and didn't want the scar so he eventually perished for bodybuilding.

I could write a death pool for fromer freinds of mine that are dead or have severe health problems from the lifestyle.

I trained with a kid early on in my career. Big kid. Best genetics I ever saw he was 280 and lean (this was 15 years ago and the only people walking around lean and mean at 280 were guys like yates and richards so 280 was a big deal), squatted 700 benched 550 deaded 7-8 plates.
Lived the lifestyle ate slept and trained. I'd go over to his house and he'd have like 20 bottles of pills laid out all different mixes of vitamins and minerals and timed out doses all meals on the minute every hour and a half trained twice a day napped 2-3 times a day etc. lived off a trust fund.
Trouble is he was doing AAS and didn't want people to know, so he hid it but we knew. He was getting Steris stuff straight from the hospital.
Problem is he couldn't get needles as delaware had a very very strict law about needles and this was the days before the www. He reused needles and ended up getting septicemia and it going to his brain and killing him. I remember watching his ashes being spread on the beach after his service and thinking "what a waste" but it never slowed me down to not try AAS later and doing all the risky business of getting super heavy.

I don't expect people to pay attention to any warnings from the baldnazi threads and hellaswole et all.
"It'll never happen to me" mentality sucks.
Somehow I have to turn this off and just remove myself from the sport. 20 years in the game with over a decade of "use" off and on is enough.

Nobody cares. Nobody listens. why even try I ask to waste my time educating people?

This is why I posted my experience with a heart attack I had 3 weeks ago. Looks like some listened to my story and are going to at least get some more tests done at the very least. I was like you too as far as not being dissuaded from using AAS even when seeing others with health problems. Some people, I guess I am one, must go out and test things before they learn a lesson.
It is really surprising that he didnt do the bypass surgery. All because of the scar and bodybuilding?

 

[LATS]

.. wouldnt get surgery?. because of a scar?.. wow.. massive, that kind of mentality is scary.. bodybuilding unfortunately attracts these kinds in droves.. we know many that do "use" very responsibily.. get checkups, take the needed supplements ect.. they need to stay on the boards to educate the difference between use and outright abuse.. we know people are going to use.. but, there are many like your friends that just are "addicted" to the lifestyle.. call it insecure.. call it obsessive complusive, what ever.. they are out there and there are many of them.. is it the sport of bodybuilding or the people that it sometimes attracts?.. that is always what was a curiousity to me.. can they be pulled in?.. some, no.. some yes... that is what needs to be concentrated on..

 

[JohnnyPro]

I think I better get some blood work done...

 

[maldorf]

I think I better get some blood work done...

That would be a good start I think. Heart disease though can be there and the tests come back normal too. I think a stress test is a real good way to look for issues. Others on here talked about the EBT scans of your heart. I wish I had one of those months ago.

 

[n8ia]

massive I have listened to your words from the first day I got on the boards. Of all the people on the boards you are one of people I look to time and time again for advice. You don't even need to pm you because you have been there done that and posted on it. A simple search thorugh you thousands and thousands of post here mayhem intense would save more and more people the headaches that are associated with this game. Thank you massive really thank you

 

[pesty4077]

Massive, your words are being heard, so tell us any time you feel like it Bro.

 

[GoneForever]

A buddy of mine's dad just got cancer and he called me complaining that he isnt training properly b/c the family is making him come over all the time to mourn. Made me sick

 

[maldorf]

A buddy of mine's dad just got cancer and he called me complaining that he isnt training properly b/c the family is making him come over all the time to mourn. Made me sick

I remember feeling like that when we had our first baby. My wife needed a lot of help at home after I got back from work and all I wanted to do was go lift. Man, looking back I feel so foolish.

 

[oneunit]

most of us ssay it will never happen to me. i dont post much however i do compete and weather we admit it or not training 2x a day etc places a lot of strai on our organs reading some of the recent post made me think i make a good living doing what i do for a living and im never gonna be a pro. yeah its great to hear damn bro ur huge from the members at the gym or whats up big guy but is it really worth it? i was a decent 225lb guy before the sauce when im on i go up to 242lbs when im off im back to 225 is it worth it just for compliments? lab work it important brothas? thanks for the recent post maldorf gave me a wake me up call

 

[Steak Helmet]

Just got word a former training partner of mine and freind died of a heart attack at 43. He needed by-pass surgery and didn't want the scar so he eventually perished for bodybuilding.

I could write a death pool for fromer freinds of mine that are dead or have severe health problems from the lifestyle.

I trained with a kid early on in my career. Big kid. Best genetics I ever saw he was 280 and lean (this was 15 years ago and the only people walking around lean and mean at 280 were guys like yates and richards so 280 was a big deal), squatted 700 benched 550 deaded 7-8 plates.
Lived the lifestyle ate slept and trained. I'd go over to his house and he'd have like 20 bottles of pills laid out all different mixes of vitamins and minerals and timed out doses all meals on the minute every hour and a half trained twice a day napped 2-3 times a day etc. lived off a trust fund.
Trouble is he was doing AAS and didn't want people to know, so he hid it but we knew. He was getting Steris stuff straight from the hospital.
Problem is he couldn't get needles as delaware had a very very strict law about needles and this was the days before the www. He reused needles and ended up getting septicemia and it going to his brain and killing him. I remember watching his ashes being spread on the beach after his service and thinking "what a waste" but it never slowed me down to not try AAS later and doing all the risky business of getting super heavy.

I don't expect people to pay attention to any warnings from the baldnazi threads and hellaswole et all.
"It'll never happen to me" mentality sucks.
Somehow I have to turn this off and just remove myself from the sport. 20 years in the game with over a decade of "use" off and on is enough.

Nobody cares. Nobody listens. why even try I ask to waste my time educating people?

I could not agree more...people always think it will happen to someone else...well when it does not happen to someone else, you better start looking at yourself.

 

[maldorf]

most of us ssay it will never happen to me. i dont post much however i do compete and weather we admit it or not training 2x a day etc places a lot of strai on our organs reading some of the recent post made me think i make a good living doing what i do for a living and im never gonna be a pro. yeah its great to hear damn bro ur huge from the members at the gym or whats up big guy but is it really worth it? i was a decent 225lb guy before the sauce when im on i go up to 242lbs when im off im back to 225 is it worth it just for compliments? lab work it important brothas? thanks for the recent post maldorf gave me a wake me up call

These kind of discussions should happen more often. I wish I had read things like this 10 years ago. I might have done things differently.

 

[Lenny]

Sorry to hear that MassiveG, but well stated.