DoggCrapp Experience

[Derek]

Hey there...

after a few emails with DG I have started the workout 1 1/2 weeks ago.

I seem to like it... Im just not used to doing one exercise per bodypart. Right now I am just doing straight sets of 8 maybe some static holds, next week I will do the rest-pause to increase intensity.

I find by loweriing more slowly I cant use as much weight so it feels like there is something missing cause I fail more due to the negative stroke as opposed to the positive stroke.

And calfs... I hold the strecth position for 15 seconds and I find I fail due to the pain of this as opposed to positive rep failure.

Is this normal and will things change once I get more used to the workout.

I also looked though my Big Beyond Belief manual and find they are almost the same idea. Exept with the BBB they have you changomg your sets and reps...

And because i have the book and all the notes I was thinking about doing that program...

However I may just stick to the one I am doing now and see what kind of results I have.

Any unput would be appreciated.

 

[Kane]

I know his methods are unconventional to most. Once you start doing the rest/pause sets and go all out, you won't want to do anymore than 1 set per bodypart.
You will grow as long as you eat and train the way he suggests. The bottom line is his method works.

 

[Derek]

DC disciple??

I am guessing you are making great progress.

any examples on strenth or muscle size?

My muscles feel harder thoiugh..

but next week I will add some restpause...

 

[babygetoboy]

BOttomline is yes, his stuff works, that's all you need to know. I've been trainig with him very shortly but have put on a ton of bodyweight, do a search on here, I talked about my results after 7 weeks, nothing short of incredible. Can't go wrong bro.

 

[Kane]

DC disciple??

I am guessing you are making great progress.

any examples on strenth or muscle size?

My muscles feel harder thoiugh..

but next week I will add some restpause...

I first trained with DC a year and a half ago. I gained 15 lbs after my first 6 wk "blasting phase" with no increase in waist measurement. After that, I barely traiined as I was going through a divorce. I got back into training seriously again about 6 months ago and recently started using DC principles again. I'm up 10 lbs in 2 months. Right now I'm 230 lbs at around 12% bf. I wish I would have know about DC's methods years ago as I can only imagine what sort of progress I could have made if I was 10 yrs younger.
As far as strength goes, every workout I'm adding 10-20 lbs on every lift. Those increases are starting to slow down a bit on some exercises so I'll be changing them soon.

 

[Steak Helmet]

I cannot wait to get the cash up to purchase DC's services. Yeah it may look unconventional to us, but we are used to what the magazines and books say. He took their brief explinations and turned them into a routine that works. He is a smart fella...I loook forward to his services.

 

[Hypertrophyguy]

DC works very well. He is a very damn pain in the ass as far a clothing fit goes.
The only thing I can say is prepare yourself for an eating regimine that is inhuman. I personally thought I was super human in my eating abilities. I can easily bust out a $120 sushi tab and have been known to suck down 12 double cheeseburgers in 30 mins on occasion. (yeah yeah not very clean eating but you can all just shush)
I personally have never met anyone that could keep up with me as far as raw unadulterated food intake goes BUT!! I am having a hell of a time eating what I am told day in and day out. I am pretty well set on becoming a vegetarian once I quit competitive bodybuilding. I think my record to date was 6k calories 3 days in a row. and then I was just about dead and sick of food.
ANd on top of this I work at a nutrition store with an unlimited supply to any flavor protein drink, creatine, glutamine, you name it I have it within arms reach for 7-10 hours per day. and I STILL have a hard time getting it down. THe training is hard but it really isn't all that tough. I mean I have the occasional wimpering tantrum on the floor after buns to heels squatting but most of the days I still leave the gym with a bounce in my step.

D is a superb trainer he is always right there. If anything I slack on emailing him everyday. But He really lays it out pretty clearly and its not that hard to follow. and if you are a tech geek like I am you can pretty much plug your schedule into a palm pilot and basically use that as your brain its pretty simple.

a great program I found for those of you palm pilot nerds is dietlog it has a huge data base of foods and its easy to add foods and it tracks just about every nutrient you need to keep an eye on and its a good wake up call at how little you really eat.

*a tip. If you download the trial version (free) set your palm pilot ahead a few years then install it and once its installed and you have set up your nutrition targets turn the date back and you will have thousands of days until you need to register.

 

[G.E.R.M]

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DC works very well. He is a very damn pain in the ass as far a clothing fit goes.
The only thing I can say is prepare yourself for an eating regimine that is inhuman. I personally thought I was super human in my eating abilities. I can easily bust out a $120 sushi tab and have been known to suck down 12 double cheeseburgers in 30 mins on occasion. (yeah yeah not very clean eating but you can all just shush)
I personally have never met anyone that could keep up with me as far as raw unadulterated food intake goes BUT!! I am having a hell of a time eating what I am told day in and day out. I am pretty well set on becoming a vegetarian once I quit competitive bodybuilding. I think my record to date was 6k calories 3 days in a row. and then I was just about dead and sick of food.
ANd on top of this I work at a nutrition store with an unlimited supply to any flavor protein drink, creatine, glutamine, you name it I have it within arms reach for 7-10 hours per day. and I STILL have a hard time getting it down. THe training is hard but it really isn't all that tough. I mean I have the occasional wimpering tantrum on the floor after buns to heels squatting but most of the days I still leave the gym with a bounce in my step.

D is a superb trainer he is always right there. If anything I slack on emailing him everyday. But He really lays it out pretty clearly and its not that hard to follow. and if you are a tech geek like I am you can pretty much plug your schedule into a palm pilot and basically use that as your brain its pretty simple.

a great program I found for those of you palm pilot nerds is dietlog it has a huge data base of foods and its easy to add foods and it tracks just about every nutrient you need to keep an eye on and its a good wake up call at how little you really eat.

*a tip. If you download the trial version (free) set your palm pilot ahead a few years then install it and once its installed and you have set up your nutrition targets turn the date back and you will have thousands of days until you need to register.

120 for sushi...

damn.. i ate like 30 pieces the other day for 21.99

instynct ate like almost 50 pieces and 2 rolls... for 21.99

and the sushi is just as good as anywhere on LI..

as far as consuming raw food, the only thing i felt ever helped me is making sure to drink 8-16oz of water about mid way between feedings....

 

[nemo]

I have gone over all that DC has written and I have found his ideas improved my training greatly. He is a great guy with great advice. I found that the amount of food and eating style that he suggests left me feeling hungry all the time though, which seems to be the opposite of what everyone else says. Must be just an individualistic thing or maybe I just have a ridiculously huge appetite.

 

[rippedboy]

Im following his training methods. I train EOD the same body part splits, so each part every 4 days, im doing the rest-pause, it is very intense especially on squats i always have a spot with this, i dont think i can do that on deadlifts i dont want to pull anything i still go as low as 5 reps though, i think 2 reps is extreme with deadlifts. my grip slips so i will be starting up with the chalk. and my lower back gets really pumped it hurts.

 

[Armageddon]

The one thing that I can really say about his syle is it works. I've been clean for well over two years and tried his style awhile back and it was amazing. Put it this way, the people that know that I've done gear asked if I was on again. So his methods do work and work well. I just wonder if I even always use the right technique and if I was on again. Well see one day as I will have the answers to both questions.

 

[Steak Helmet]

DC works very well. He is a very damn pain in the ass as far a clothing fit goes.
The only thing I can say is prepare yourself for an eating regimine that is inhuman. I personally thought I was super human in my eating abilities. I can easily bust out a $120 sushi tab and have been known to suck down 12 double cheeseburgers in 30 mins on occasion. (yeah yeah not very clean eating but you can all just shush)
I personally have never met anyone that could keep up with me as far as raw unadulterated food intake goes BUT!! I am having a hell of a time eating what I am told day in and day out. I am pretty well set on becoming a vegetarian once I quit competitive bodybuilding. I think my record to date was 6k calories 3 days in a row. and then I was just about dead and sick of food.
ANd on top of this I work at a nutrition store with an unlimited supply to any flavor protein drink, creatine, glutamine, you name it I have it within arms reach for 7-10 hours per day. and I STILL have a hard time getting it down. THe training is hard but it really isn't all that tough. I mean I have the occasional wimpering tantrum on the floor after buns to heels squatting but most of the days I still leave the gym with a bounce in my step.

D is a superb trainer he is always right there. If anything I slack on emailing him everyday. But He really lays it out pretty clearly and its not that hard to follow. and if you are a tech geek like I am you can pretty much plug your schedule into a palm pilot and basically use that as your brain its pretty simple.

a great program I found for those of you palm pilot nerds is dietlog it has a huge data base of foods and its easy to add foods and it tracks just about every nutrient you need to keep an eye on and its a good wake up call at how little you really eat.

*a tip. If you download the trial version (free) set your palm pilot ahead a few years then install it and once its installed and you have set up your nutrition targets turn the date back and you will have thousands of days until you need to register.

My old boss downed 33 egg beater omletes(almost the size of 3 eggs), 3 glasses or milk, one glass of OJ, and 2 plates of hashbrowns. THis was a contest he put up his 5,000.00 to the other two guys 100.00 that he could out eat them. The one puked at 11 egg beaters, and the other puked at 17. HE would come back and put the plate in their face and say YUMMY...

I watched him eat 7 PLATERS(one plater feed four so they say) of spagetti, and 4 glasses of milk.

THis guy would get kicked out of buffets all the time. I do have to admitt, you do eat a lot, but I have never seen anyone eat so much.

 

[nemo]

Honestly 6000 cals a day just doesn't seem like very much food to me. That's my typical caloric intake when I'm dieting. I suppose it really depends on how much you weigh and your metabolism.

 

[Derek]

I noticed alot of food intake...

My problem is I eat on average 2500cals per day. I am afraid of getting fat and losing my nice lines.

How do you guys not get fat? When I eat 3000 cals I find I get fat and bloated.

If I must eat that much I will need weight gain shakes... but I havent touched that in like 8 years!

Im looking for advice and help with my eating plan...

if someone wants to help me here thats cool.. or if you want to messange me thats cool also..

if you have msn let me know

 

[nemo]

Derek,

Nutrition is a very individual thing but unless you are under 200 pounds I really doubt 2800 calories is enough to grow on. For me becoming fat is only a problem if I am either consuming a lot of simple carbs throughout the day or a lot of carbs late at night, so I just avoid doing this.

If you want more detailed answers just ask and I'll be happy to try to explain. I'm sure there are others on the board that are more knowledgable than I that would be willing to share adivice with you also.

 

[Derek]

well maybe that is why I havent grown muscle in a long time.. I also keep my cals low...


cuase as of now I am 210 with maybe 10% fat.. and I am eating 2500 on average. Im not ripped so my thinking is I am eating enough...

Here is my current avarege diet

7am
2scoops protein
1 cup milk

10am
Protein bar (detour, nitrotech)

12pm
hamburger

3pm
shake (same as meal1) or bar

5pm (post workout if I train)
protein, 2 cups juice

6pm
Steak, potato, veggies

10pm
shake/oil

 

[Derek]

if I needed to increase my cals would adding weight gainers be benficial, cause I am not really a big eater.. so the shakes are neccesary for me.

I remember making great gains on Hardbody 3600 back when I was 19... I was big full and strong.. was also on gear as well...

But now it feels like I gain to much fat if I "bulk".

I dont compete so I like to look good all the time.. so bulking and cutting isnt really for me...

markus Reinhardt was my trainer for a while. He had me eating 150g prtein, 300g of carbs, and 55 fat.. I was hungry all the time.

 

[Armageddon]

From what I've gathered in your post I would change a few things. They seem to work for me and some others. But I change my eating habits all the time as I metabolise carbs fairly well. But this is pretty basic. Carbs when you wake and after you train. Don't eat anything other than veggies for carbs after 6-7 unless you train later than that. Less shakes, increase your real food intake. And you can always start or increase cardio to help maintain the fat. Just a few ideas. I can't help you on the cal part cause I have never counted cals a day in my life, sorry.

 

[nemo]

Derek,

I really don't care for weight gainer type shakes. Maltodextrin, the primary source of carbs in most weight gainers, is fine post workout but not advisable at any other time. You do not necessarily need to be a big eater to get the necessary nutrients in. If you eat small amounts constantly you will be fine. Home made jerky is great for this. I make tons of venison jerky with low sodium soy sauce and other spices with deer meat my neighbour gives me. Just by snacking on that all day I pack away 150 grams of protein a day. Adding olive oil or EFA's to your shakes will also help boost your calories without screwing with your insulin levels.

Here is what I typically eat in a day, but keep in mind I am a fair bit larger than you and I'm currently dieting. If I was trying to gain weight I would eat more complex carbs through the day.

8:00am
21 egg whites
3 whole eggs
1 cup Raisin Bran
1 cup skim milk (in my cereal)

10:00am
2 cans water packed tuna
1 can olive oil packed tuna
1 cup low fat cottage cheese

12:00
Usually I'll have a stir fry here with 3/4 pound of beef or chicken and lots of veggies and a cup of rice

2:00pm
12-16ounces Beef/chicken/turkey microwaved with salsa and a little cheese

4:00pm (preworkout)
2 cups cottage cheese
1 cup non fat yogurt
1 cup oats (dry measure)

5:30pm train

6:15-6:30pm
75 grams of protein worth of protein powder
60 grams dextrose

7:00pm
pound of beef/chicken/turkey
lots of steamed veggies


9:00pm
3/4 pound lean meat
salad

11:00pm (when I go to bed)
75g worth of protein shake
3 tablespoons of olive oil

 

[Derek]

see the thing is I cant eat that much food. Thats why I wanted to go the shake way.
Im much better off with Whey protein and not a gainer. However I am going to try to eat a bit more then I do now..

Im still open for more advise...


BTW- I did rest-pause training and THAT is a workout!!!! I am feeling full and tight!