End of cycle....please help with PCT!!!!

MikeCrisp · Aug 15, 2016

Hi everybody. I just finished up a 20 week cycle of sustanon and Deca. The last pin of Deca was about 8 weeks ago and I stopped the sustanon 13 days ago. I have been on Anavar at 50mg for the last 10 weeks or so. I stopped the Deca early because my erections weren't as hard as usual. Once I stopped the Deca I also started up on USP Labs Test Up which is a natural Test booster. Everything back to normal. The last couple of weeks I have noticed that while my wrestling are solid and sex drive is very high that I am having trouble climaxing. I have been taking an AI all along as well. The last two weeks I have also been more tired than normal and my hair has been crazy itchy. Also have more than usual acne on my shoulders. I did some googling and it seems the symptoms of high and low estrogen are very similar so I don't know if I used too much AI or too little and I'm not sure how to approach this. I didn't climax all weekend and my girl never has issue finishing me off and I finally did last night. Orgasm wasn't as intense especially considering the buildup. Had a lot of sex this weekend too, no erection problems. I read that you have to wait 14 days before starting PCT after Sustanon, so that's tomorrow. Also, I sweat a lot, but that's been the whole cycle.

1. I was thinking of staying on the Anavar a couple weeks. Does that affect my PCT? Do I have to be off all AAS before starting PCT? Being I am having some issues, should I stop the Anavar too?

2. I have Progen's PCT products. How should I take em? Chlomid and nova. I'll get the exact names and doses later if required. They are in dropper form.

Please help!!!!!

MikeCrisp · Aug 15, 2016

Also the last week I have been taking USP Labs Test Powder which is essentially a DAA product.

My balls seem to be about the same size as well since cycle start.

I'm guessing my issue is estrogen is too high.

Thoughts?

MikeCrisp · Aug 15, 2016

Also nipples are slightly itchy. Very little tho. Hardly

Djs1988 · Aug 15, 2016

Perhaps your estrogen is out of whack sure but only way to know for sure if it's high or low is lab otherwise it's a gamble..you may have some prolactin issues from the Deca but prolactin is usually kept in check as long as estrogen is managed.

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JeanClaude · Aug 15, 2016

No AAS in system for pct. no AI on pct.

4 week pct is the standard. Since your cycle was long I would consider a 6 week pct, just double up dosage for first 2 weeks instead of 1.

- Clomid
week 1: 100mg/day
Week 2-4: 50mg/day

- Nolva
Week 1: 40mg/day
Week 2-4: 20mg/day

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MikeCrisp · Aug 15, 2016

JeanClaude said:
No AAS in system for pct. no AI on pct.

4 week pct is the standard. Since your cycle was long I would consider a 6 week pct, just double up dosage for first 2 weeks instead of 1.

- Clomid
week 1: 100mg/day
Week 2-4: 50mg/day

- Nolva
Week 1: 40mg/day
Week 2-4: 20mg/day

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Thank you! Any negative side effects to be aware of when running this stuff? I thought I read somewhere that it gives you a down mood or depression. I assume this will kick my natural Test production up?

Is it necessary to stop the Anavar now since its been 14 days off the Sustanon and start PCT now? Or can I run the Anavar longer and just start PCT in a couple more weeks? Is there a negative to doing that?

Thanks so much For your help

MikeCrisp · Aug 15, 2016

Please confirm I have the right stuff...

Purchased from XXXXXXX

Tamoxifen Liquid (label says 20mg x 30ml)

Clomiphene Liquid (label says 50mg x 30ml)

So 2 ml per day for the starter week and 1 ml for the other weeks of each compound.

Should I spread the doses out through the day or all at once? Like I'm the first week 1 ml of each twice per day or 2 ml of each at same time.

Other than bloodwork, how will I know it's working? Will I get hornier? More energy? Etc?

Should I continue to take the DAA while on this?

MikeCrisp · Aug 15, 2016

Djs1988 said:
Perhaps your estrogen is out of whack sure but only way to know for sure if it's high or low is lab otherwise it's a gamble..you may have some prolactin issues from the Deca but prolactin is usually kept in check as long as estrogen is managed.

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If I go to my primary care physician for my annual can they do this bloodwork?

Djs1988 · Aug 15, 2016

MikeCrisp said:
If I go to my primary care physician for my annual can they do this bloodwork?

I don't see why not they will just need to write you a script to get the specific tests done

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JeanClaude · Aug 15, 2016

MikeCrisp said:
Thank you! Any negative side effects to be aware of when running this stuff? I thought I read somewhere that it gives you a down mood or depression. I assume this will kick my natural Test production up?

Is it necessary to stop the Anavar now since its been 14 days off the Sustanon and start PCT now? Or can I run the Anavar longer and just start PCT in a couple more weeks? Is there a negative to doing that?

Thanks so much For your help

- Stop the anavar and other AAS if u are doing PCT. Your choice to run anavar for a few weeks then pct. But without testosterone it's pointless. No AAS on pct.

- Dosages can be taken all at once, just make sure u take at the same time every day.

- Not many side effects, Clomid will make you feel like you are on AAS. U feel a slight crash after stopping Clomid and Nolva. Whole point of pct is to jump start ur own production.

- Since you are taking liquid, shake up the bottle very well otherwise each dose won't be consistent.

- You will know it's working if u feel like ur on cycle again, increased energy, etc and if u horny as a mofo = effects of Clomid jump starting your own system.

- blood work should be done 2-3 months after stopping PCT to see if natural hormone levels are returning. Sometimes it takes longer for some people.

- no point in doing blood work right now. Wait til after pct. primary care can do it, just be careful Wut u say about why you are asking for those tests.

These are basic questions that can be answered with a little bit of research. For your next cycle I would recommend spending time on research before starting.

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MikeCrisp · Aug 16, 2016

Thanks for all the info. Appreciate it.

Any reason to run the DAA while running the PCT stuff?

MikeCrisp · Aug 17, 2016

Started on the PCT this morning. Does the jumpstart happen pretty quickly or will it take a week or so? Thanks

Humana Life Group · Aug 17, 2016

In my experience if you were using a long ester like an enanthate or even deca you can wait 10 days after last injection then start Nolva or clomid or both. Some people respond differently to clomid so they use Nolva. Personally I use nolva only. If you can get HCG you can start that immediately. HCG 500-1000ius per day for 10 days then start nolva at 40mg per day OR clomid at 150mg per day for 2 weeks. Then lower the nolva to 20mg a day for 2 weeks OR clomid 100mg a day for the two weeks. Then one week at 10mg a day for nolva OR 50mg of clomid. If you think you need another week then do another week at those doses.

Good luck.

MikeCrisp · Sep 5, 2016

Please help. I'm 20 days into my PCT and still not feeling anything. Can barely get an erection now. Feeling so depressed too. Overwhelmed with life right now. Every little thing is adding up and giving me stress and sadness.

Is it possible the stuff I got from XXXXX is bad? Shouldn't I be feeling something yet?

Getting blood work on Tuesday.

Because it wasn't working I started taking DAA again to help. Still not helping.

I did 100mg and 40mg for 8 days and dropped to 50mg and 2mg for the Chlomid and Nolva as suggested.

I ordered some HCgenerate on Amazon yesterday. That helped me on my first cycle last year.

Suggestions please, I'm losing my mind right now.

I also have some hard stress which I thought was coming into play, but I'm not waking up with morning wood, so I assume it's physical.

MikeCrisp · Sep 6, 2016

Anybody have any advice? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks

kandaandm · Sep 6, 2016

Did you pick up 10,000 iu's of HCG along bacteriostatic water and follow the protocol Human Life Group suggested?

After a 20 week cycle you definitely need to be prepared with Clomid, Nolvadex and HCG.

If you skipped the HCG then this explains your situation.

Also, did you get the blood work done from your primary care physician? If you did then post the number for us so you can get a better answer.

MikeCrisp · Sep 6, 2016

kandaandm said:
Did you pick up 10,000 iu's of HCG along bacteriostatic water and follow the protocol Human Life Group suggested?

After a 20 week cycle you definitely need to be prepared with Clomid, Nolvadex and HCG.

If you skipped the HCG then this explains your situation.

Also, did you get the blood work done from your primary care physician? If you did then post the number for us so you can get a better answer.

Getting the blood work tomorrow morning. I did not attain any HCG, but I ran the Chlomid and Nova as suggested 14 days after last Sustanon inject.

I was able to have sex last night with my GF. It's weird, the last time we hung out a week ago I was able to have sex with her too, and I finished both times, but in the week in between I could barely get an erection from watching porn. This is so depressing. It was kinda like I started to recover and get it back and the last week it went down hill. My balls haven't really shrunk as well. Still feel pretty full. At first I wanted to think it was stress because I'm dealing with some serious shit right now, but I never had stress erection issues in the past and like I said no nighttime sleeping erections or morning wood.