EPO

[MrCyp]

Whats everyone's thoughts on epo and its purpose for bodybuilding? I've recently come across some human grade and wondering if its worth using and what people have gotten results wise out of it?

 

[Zeus10]

Whats everyone's thoughts on epo and its purpose for bodybuilding? I've recently come across some human grade and wondering if its worth using and what people have gotten results wise out of it?

To me it sounds scary to be honest. I dont know how much it would help a bodybuilder but for cyclists and other endurance sports it improves stamina drastically due to the increase of RBC's carrying O2.

The stuff to me sounds out of my league and not needed. Thats just my opinion.

 

[repmks]

if you are running gear you probably have more than enough rbc's

 

[maldorf]

Whats everyone's thoughts on epo and its purpose for bodybuilding? I've recently come across some human grade and wondering if its worth using and what people have gotten results wise out of it?

I know youre going to just shake your head and laugh at me, but if you like blot clots then use that stuff. Using EPO alongside AAS is just asking for it. Try it out for a few months and report back on here about your resuults. We could use some personal experience on the site!

 

[concreteguy]

I know youre going to just shake your head and laugh at me, but if you like blot clots then use that stuff. Using EPO alongside AAS is just asking for it. Try it out for a few months and report back on here about your resuults. We could use some personal experience on the site!

expensive and dangerous! It can give you some temporary volume/fullness kinda like timing A-bombs a couple days before your show. The amounts you do will dictate what its doing. No way is this stuff worth it.IMO

 

[jake]

Any drug is dangerous if you are not monitored properly when you take it. If you have taken epo you will know it is a fantastic drug if used properly. it truly is a drug that has benefits for every athlete. Things you will need:

A centrifuge, this will be used to test your rbc's you'll have to pull some blood and spin it every 2 weeks to monitor your progress. You should take some measurements at the beginning of the courses to establish your baseline rbc.

Zinc

Some baby aspirin

Lots of water to keep well hydrated!

The effects of epo last well after the course is done being administered. So there is not need to run it continually. Do it in 6 weeks cycles with 4-6 weeks in between( it will depend on your body, everyone is different.)

Everyone like to jump on the 'bash epo bandwagon its so dangerous!'. 99% of the people who give there opinions/advice have never taken the drug or researched it in depth so there opinions are just that 'opinions'. I personally would not take it if I didn't have the centrifuge to test my blood, having it takes the guess work out of it.

Its not that expensive. I know ip sells it for pretty cheap. it would probably cost you $200-$300 to run it for a 3-4 months.

 

[thebrick]

expensive and dangerous! It can give you some temporary volume/fullness kinda like timing A-bombs a couple days before your show. The amounts you do will dictate what its doing. No way is this stuff worth it.IMO

I totally agree. Why anybody who uses gear would want to mess with this stuff is beyond me.

 

[rippedout]

Whats everyone's thoughts on epo and its purpose for bodybuilding? I've recently come across some human grade and wondering if its worth using and what people have gotten results wise out of it?

What results do you think you could benefit from as a bodybuilder using epo?

 

[maldorf]

What results do you think you could benefit from as a bodybuilder using epo?

None. Being on a any decent dose of AAS is going to elevate your RBC's anyhow. Using EPO is going to get them to dangerous levels. There is no need. Even just doing testosterone and nothing else is going to elevate your RBCs. EPO is for cyclists that arent using steroids for the most part. Some of those professionals have died from it.Do a google and youll see some names.

 

[MrCyp]

Why does everyone keep saying "epo is the secret of the pro's" I know thats probably just broknowledge, but whats the big thing with it. If cyclists wanted to use it to raise rbc's why dont they just use eq instead? I dont see why its around?

 

[Pumped1]

None. Being on a any decent dose of AAS is going to elevate your RBC's anyhow. Using EPO is going to get them to dangerous levels. There is no need. Even just doing testosterone and nothing else is going to elevate your RBCs. EPO is for cyclists that arent using steroids for the most part. Some of those professionals have died from it.Do a google and youll see some names.

agreed

 

[maldorf]

Why does everyone keep saying "epo is the secret of the pro's" I know thats probably just broknowledge, but whats the big thing with it. If cyclists wanted to use it to raise rbc's why dont they just use eq instead? I dont see why its around?

I think they use it because its tough to test for? Im not sure if they even have a test that can detect its levels. I think all that they do is test your hematocrit several times a year and check to make sure that the levels do not jump up right before the race.At least that is the impression I got. Maybe someone with knowledge of cycling could chime in. Deca and EQ hang around a long time and are some of the drugs that get more athletes busted more than others; they are very easy to test for. On the other hand EPO I think is easier to conceal. Another factor may be the fact that they do not want to get too heavy and bulky, as it would impede them in cycling?

 

[MrCyp]

I think they use it because its tough to test for? Im not sure if they even have a test that can detect its levels. I think all that they do is test your hematocrit several times a year and check to make sure that the levels do not jump up right before the race.At least that is the impression I got. Maybe someone with knowledge of cycling could chime in. Deca and EQ hang around a long time and are some of the drugs that get more athletes busted more than others; they are very easy to test for. On the other hand EPO I think is easier to conceal. Another factor may be the fact that they do not want to get too heavy and bulky, as it would impede them in cycling?

From what I gathered from epo on avg you take 1000iu's everday for about 2weeks and then stop. Then it stays in your system for 3-6months.

 

[CHAPS]

Muscular development had an article on epo a few months back talkign about it's role on muscle growth, before reading that i thought it was mainly for endurance athletes but apparently it can be used for the purpose of gaining more muscle mass, safety is another thing though. I know there was a bbr on genxxl that is also a nurse that used it i can't remember the results though

 

[qbkilla]

I read somewhere that cyclists actually get red blood cells take out, frozen, then injected back into their body at a later time to increase performance? Anyone know how this works? Not that i would ever try it, but sounds similar to EPO.

 

[Little Bear]

Typically EPO is used by endurance athletes for the purpose of increasing rbc count so as to increase the hemoglobin which increases the amount of oxygen that can be carried in the blood to the working muscles. This increases the aerobic capacity of the working muscle and ends up letting the athlete train at a much higher level for longer than if he/she didn't have the extra oxygen carrying capabilities.

For bodybuilding, considering that it's not really an endurance sport, it's not really needed or recommended in the least. That and the fact that compounds such as eq already raise rbc's to higher and higher levels, if one were to take EPO there would be a major problem with the thickening in the blood and an exponential increase in the chance of a clot.

tl;dr: don't take epo if you're looking into bodybuilding

 

[rippedout]

I have a buddy who is a cyclist, his friend says when his rbc levels are the highest(from epo), he must set his alarm to wake himself up every hour or so at night because the blood is so thick. He was saying that the blood gets so thick it can actually stop circulating through certain parts of the body, so he gets up and walks around a couple minutes and goes back to sleep.

 

[Zeus10]

Why does everyone keep saying "epo is the secret of the pro's" I know thats probably just broknowledge, but whats the big thing with it. If cyclists wanted to use it to raise rbc's why dont they just use eq instead? I dont see why its around?

EQ does not increase RBC's like EPO. I dont know specifically without doing a search but EPO is much more potent in producing RBC than EQ.

I read somewhere that cyclists actually get red blood cells take out, frozen, then injected back into their body at a later time to increase performance? Anyone know how this works? Not that i would ever try it, but sounds similar to EPO.

I dont know about that but a lot of endurance athletes and olympic athletes will train at a very high altitude to have the body increase RBC production due to higher elevation having less O2. Then when they go to sea level they have a greater amount of endurance. That is why when a sea level team goes to mile high stadium in Denver or in basketball plays the nuggets they get winded faster.

Typically EPO is used by endurance athletes for the purpose of increasing rbc count so as to increase the hemoglobin which increases the amount of oxygen that can be carried in the blood to the working muscles. This increases the aerobic capacity of the working muscle and ends up letting the athlete train at a much higher level for longer than if he/she didn't have the extra oxygen carrying capabilities.

For bodybuilding, considering that it's not really an endurance sport, it's not really needed or recommended in the least. That and the fact that compounds such as eq already raise rbc's to higher and higher levels, if one were to take EPO there would be a major problem with the thickening in the blood and an exponential increase in the chance of a clot.

tl;dr: don't take epo if you're looking into bodybuilding

X2 I dont see a need for EPO unless you want to do a lot of cardio........

 

[concreteguy]

The effects of epo last well after the course is done being administered. So there is not need to run it continually. Do it in 6 weeks cycles with 4-6 weeks in between( it will depend on your body, everyone is different.)

Everyone like to jump on the 'bash epo bandwagon its so dangerous!'. 99% of the people who give there opinions/advice have never taken the drug or researched it in depth so there opinions are just that 'opinions'. I personally would not take it if I didn't have the centrifuge to test my blood, having it takes the guess work out of it.

Its not that expensive. I know ip sells it for pretty cheap. it would probably cost you $200-$300 to run it for a 3-4 months.

Jake, I'm the 1% that did. Vet or human grade is expensive and hard to get when you do.

 

[EDED]

i would try it off cycle,,,pct period for recovery/growth/ and so on

during pct you will probably have lowered RBC anyways.

on cycle, noway.