Fertility issues

[bensif]

It took me around 9 months before I saw any positive movement in SA. I had to come completely off.

I saw small increases in those 9 months but never anything drastic.

What I would say is that is so much more to this than just LH and FSH. Oxidative stress and vitamin and mineral deficiencies also play a role.

In my case a bi-lateral varicocele was also part of the issue.

Personally I'd say don't waste time; get a full blood panel, ultrasound of testes and check dna fragmentation. In an ideal world you'd restore your own lh and fsh but that won't happen on hcg and hmg.

You won't know how feasible this until you've given it sufficient time. You can opt for the hcg and hmg route but you may find doses get high, which beyond being expensive can come with some less fun side effects.

I personally have had to go this route as I was diagnosed hypo hypo, ergo not producing LH any more.

The main thing here is time and don't give up hope

Some guys here had success staying on a low dose trt. I had higher numbers off but went from 0.7m per ml to 29m at peak. We are going through ivf tho

 

[max_rep]

i had zero sperm in 2015. we decided to have baby. i took only 20mg of nolvadex for 3 month. my sperm count was 68 million

 

[carbs]

yeah got my results today. no good.

on trt.

 

[Slr722]

Took my first shot of HMG today, got it through sour diesel. Bottle said on it CMG, pretty sure it’s a typo since only thing I found on CMG is: “The CMG is a multi-subunit enzyme that performs the primary DNA melting and unwinding steps within replisomes during DNA replication in eukaryotic cells”.

found a place that sells it, it cost like 425 Per .1mg. So pretty sure I wasn’t sent CMG but HMG

 

[Siggy]

Took my first shot of HMG today, got it through sour diesel. Bottle said on it CMG, pretty sure it’s a typo since only thing I found on CMG is: “The CMG is a multi-subunit enzyme that performs the primary DNA melting and unwinding steps within replisomes during DNA replication in eukaryotic cells”.

found a place that sells it, it cost like 425 Per .1mg. So pretty sure I wasn’t sent CMG but HMG

Wait, how much? $425 for the vial?

 

[Swifto]

yeah got my results today. no good.

on trt.

What are they?

 

[gungalunga]

Years ago there was a member here with the username Swale. He was a doctor that had a mens health clinic. He told me the fertility protocol he used for his clients. He said it worked no matter how long they were on gear, or how high their dosages were. He recommended they completely came off everything, but some did stay on trt.
The protocol is:
M-W-F 2000 IU HCG
T-TH-SAT 75IU HMG
20mg Nolva ED

He said his clients had 100% success using this method.

 

[Slr722]

Wait, how much? $425 for the vial?

That’s for CMG. Which is a completely different compound than HMG. I googled what CMG is because that’s what was written on my vials. But seeing price I paid vs prices of CMG, I’m pretty sure I got HMG not CMG. I looked at list again and the HMG has #CMG next to it. No idea why they call it CMG since that’s an actual compound.

 

[Slr722]

Years ago there was a member here with the username Swale. He was a doctor that had a mens health clinic. He told me the fertility protocol he used for his clients. He said it worked no matter how long they were on gear, or how high their dosages were. He recommended they completely came off everything, but some did stay on trt.
The protocol is:
M-W-F 2000 IU HCG
T-TH-SAT 75IU HMG
20mg Nolva ED

He said his clients had 100% success using this method.

I’m on a much more aggressive protocol than that so hopefully it works.

Interesting that he had them on Nolva over clomid. I thought clomid was the go to?

Im on
5000 HCG eod
75 HMG eod
Clomid 50mg ed
Adex 1mg Th/Sun

I’m alternating the HCG and HMG days.

I took nolva for a few months and my SBHG was high. Doctor told me to come off of it and only take it if I’m having gyno issues. We’re gonna run bloods and a SA again in October.

 

[gungalunga]

I’m on a much more aggressive protocol than that so hopefully it works.

Interesting that he had them on Nolva over clomid. I thought clomid was the go to?

Im on
5000 HCG eod
75 HMG eod
Clomid 50mg ed
Adex 1mg Th/Sun

I’m alternating the HCG and HMG days.

I took nolva for a few months and my SBHG was high. Doctor told me to come off of it and only take it if I’m having gyno issues. We’re gonna run bloods and a SA again in October.

I think he went with Nolvadex to counter any estrogen spikes that the hcg might cause that could potentially result in gyno.

 

[carbs]

What are they?

 

[Theone233]

I had ran gear for 3 years straight. I used Hcg,hmg, clomid and DAA. Took 2-3 months but it happened. Then I just went back on. Didn’t run any more of the above and I had 2 more kids back to back. It will happen when you least expect it to

 

[Slr722]

I had ran gear for 3 years straight. I used Hcg,hmg, clomid and DAA. Took 2-3 months but it happened. Then I just went back on. Didn’t run any more of the above and I had 2 more kids back to back. It will happen when you least expect it to

that’s my plan as well. On right after. We have to go IVF due to her issues as well, so I’ll have them preserve as much sperm as possible to be able to have 2-4 kids.

 

[Dutch1909]

A good friend of mine started a few months ago as well with HCG and HMG whilst staying on trt dose of test and 4iu hgh. He is going to a men’s health clinic and the doc knows of the trt dose of test and hgh and said it won’t be an issue. 2 weeks ago he got tested and he’s fertile again. This after years of gear use.

Good luck with getting pregnant !

 

[Siggy]

A good friend of mine started a few months ago as well with HCG and HMG whilst staying on trt dose of test and 4iu hgh. He is going to a men’s health clinic and the doc knows of the trt dose of test and hgh and said it won’t be an issue. 2 weeks ago he got tested and he’s fertile again. This after years of gear use.

Good luck with getting pregnant !

Great news. Has he ever cycled with more than TRT doses?

 

[Dutch1909]

Great news. Has he ever cycled with more than TRT doses?

This is his first run actually and he can’t wait to get it over with and hop back on lol.
They did tell him though that if he doesn’t keep to the protocol and uses more, they’ll stop with the prescription and program.