First timer - my PCT

[bber99]

Ok so my first time running hormonals..

Basic stuff right?

weeks 1-12 Test E 500mgs
Weeks 13-14 HCG 1500iu E3D
Weeks 14-17 Clomid 100/100/50/50

Does this look like I'll bounce back damn good? There are so many conflicting opinions on pct..

I also have nolva and arimadex on hand, I'm going to see if I get any gyno symptoms or excess water retention before taking arimadex during the cycle just because I really have no clue how I'll react.

So...amidoingitright?

 

[purelifting]

Try for week 11 to do 400mg then week 12 at 300mg.

 

[franktasey]

Ok so my first time running hormonals..

Basic stuff right?

weeks 1-12 Test E 500mgs
Weeks 13-14 HCG 1500iu E3D
Weeks 14-17 Clomid 100/100/50/50

Does this look like I'll bounce back damn good? There are so many conflicting opinions on pct..

I also have nolva and arimadex on hand, I'm going to see if I get any gyno symptoms or excess water retention before taking arimadex during the cycle just because I really have no clue how I'll react.

So...amidoingitright?

Not bad. However you should definetely take Adex within cycle to minimize gyno chances. You dont need a strong dosage at 500mg test. HCG will indirectly raise test which will eventually aromatize and can cause gyno. To minimize this inject HCG in a smaller bolus more frequently, that way you dont spike the test which eventually aromatizes. Nolvadex should be in your pct as it is an estrogen blocker, expecially when using HCG. I would also throw in some aromasin 25mg with the HCG and nolvadex.


Test 500mg Week 1-12 Monday Thursday
Adex 0.5mg everyother day

PCT:
HCG 1000iu everyother day for 2 weeks week 13-14
Nolvadex 40mg/Clomid100mg week 13-16
Aromasin 25mg a day week 13-14

 

[bber99]

Not bad. However you should definetely take Adex within cycle to minimize gyno chances. You dont need a strong dosage at 500mg test. HCG will indirectly raise test which will eventually aromatize and can cause gyno. To minimize this inject HCG in a smaller bolus more frequently, that way you dont spike the test which eventually aromatizes. Nolvadex should be in your pct as it is an estrogen blocker, expecially when using HCG. I would also throw in some aromasin 25mg with the HCG and nolvadex.


Test 500mg Week 1-12 Monday Thursday
Adex 0.5mg everyother day

PCT:
HCG 1000iu everyother day for 2 weeks week 13-14
Nolvadex 40mg/Clomid100mg week 13-16
Aromasin 25mg a day week 13-14

K...
I have a ton of ancillaries around, but I just want to see if I need the adex during the cycle, because I know some people (at least at a mild dose of aas) don't really aromatize much...
And for the pct, I assume you mean starting the nolva/clomid weeks 15-18 (2 weeks after last injection of test). And why no taper?
And reason for aromasin over adex for the pct A.i?

PCT Gameplan:
Weeks 13-14 HCG 1000iu EOD
Weeks 15-18 Clomid 100/100/50/50
Adex .25-.5mgs EOD

 

[MikeRoss]

I'm gonna get alot of heat for this but..
Taper don't use HCG. I talked to my doc about this and tried to sell him on HCG but tapering is the best way to restore your natural test levels.

Less and less people are using HCG. especially if you're a newbie

 

[maxer]

I'm gonna get alot of heat for this but..
Taper don't use HCG. I talked to my doc about this and tried to sell him on HCG but tapering is the best way to restore your natural test levels.

Less and less people are using HCG. especially if you're a newbie

Bad advise in my opinion.... Maybe tapering works for you but someone new should error on the "safe" side when using substances. The safe side being a real pct to avoid crash which will happen when drugs are gone.

 

[MikeRoss]

Bad advise in my opinion.... Maybe tapering works for you but someone new should error on the "safe" side when using substances. The safe side being a real pct to avoid crash which will happen when drugs are gone.

Sorry bro you're mistaken.. a few other experienced guys seem to agree with me including Phil

Oh, not to mention my last 2 doctors..

Why don't you start a thread and see what some experts think

 

[maxer]

everything looks good on the cycle. Consider keeping it to 16weeks and start clomid w hcg. Good idea to have adex and nolva on hand in case. Just listen to your body youll be good.

 

[maxer]

Sorry bro you're mistaken.. a few other experienced guys seem to agree with me including Phil

Oh, not to mention my last 2 doctors..

Why don't you start a thread and see what some experts think

Haha so if a couple people agree on something its fact?

Maybe you need to taper it down a little more buddy

 

[maldorf]

Sorry bro you're mistaken.. a few other experienced guys seem to agree with me including Phil

Oh, not to mention my last 2 doctors..

Why don't you start a thread and see what some experts think

Ive got to say that some of the times when I got off cycles I would try pyraminding down and it worked better for me than PCT with clomid/HCG etc. I would taper down over a space of 4 weeks. I did this several times and didnt seem to crash as hard. Nowadays though most think its oldschool and just "broscience", and that PCT is the only way to go. Because of this, I usually ran PCT and had a hard time coming down.

 

[maldorf]

I might add that pct using HCG just seemed to prolong the agony of getting off. I would be good while taking the HCG, but as soon as I got off that I would crash just as hard it seemed as if I had just gone cold turkey. Usually I would end up getting sick, catching a cold or something like that and then I would miss 5-10 days in the gym because I was so sick. Bad hit to the immune system.

 

[MikeRoss]

Haha so if a couple people agree on something its fact?

Maybe you need to taper it down a little more buddy

Yup. A fact backed by medical research my friend.

Take a look what maldorf just said, who i'm sorry to say is more credible than you are.

we're all wrong sometimes

 

[maldorf]

Yup. A fact backed by medical research my friend.

Take a look what maldorf just said, who i'm sorry to say is more credible than you are.

we're all wrong sometimes

Well, i'm no authority on PCT. I just wanted to relay my experience to those looking at this thread. Its my opinion that pyramiding down works decent, and did better for me that the PCT everyone runs today. Thats just my experience though.

 

[bber99]

haha, all these conflicting opinions. Anyways, I think its safe to say that my plan is solid and at the very least I won't Fack myself up (anyone disagree?), I'll have to see how this works for me and make sure I get blood tests after

 

[maxer]

Yup. A fact backed by medical research my friend.

Take a look what maldorf just said, who i'm sorry to say is more credible than you are.

we're all wrong sometimes

So you're the credibility police?

Just sharing what works for me, sorry you feel threatened by another point of view.

His PCT looks fine. Which was the thread topic....

 

[maxer]

haha, all these conflicting opinions. Anyways, I think its safe to say that my plan is solid and at the very least I won't Fack myself up (anyone disagree?), I'll have to see how this works for me and make sure I get blood tests after

How often do you plan on pinning the test? Weekly, bi weekly etc. Just curious.

 

[bber99]

How often do you plan on pinning the test? Weekly, bi weekly etc. Just curious.

250mgs bi-weekly...

 

[matrick]

For the thread starter: Why so much test for your first cycle? Why not start at 300 per week?

As for the PCT discussion: What do you guys think about using HCG during cycle to keep tests at normal size?

 

[MikeRoss]

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[QVolt]

To the OP:

Guys respond differently to both gear and PCT. What works well for one guy may not work so well with another, that's why you see differing opinions. Tapering seems pretty popular now though.

Big A has an excellent article on PM, to save you a search, here's the link.
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/articles-forum/1158-growth-principles-beginners.html

Training, Diet, and Recovery are AS important as gear...

All the Best