First UGL

[Massive G]

Haha… I love the old UG stories.

He’s on the mt. rushmore of OG UGL’s undoubtedly.

It’s nice to see you around Massive G.

Hey thanks you too W8

 

[Massive G]

Mexican Vet Steroids were underdosed and not high quality back in the turn of the century. I remember getting tornell t200 brovel norandren 50 and getting some weird sides like rashes and irregular heart beats. Of course it could have been crappy raws.
They did get their shit together and a lot of the labs that popped up were unlicensed like Tokyo and QV. A lot suppliers carried denkall Syd group Jurox and other Aussie vet products. The human grade stuff was expensive back then sustanon deca durabolin stenox amps primoteston etc.
Fond memories email snail mail etc. ALL cash and WU.

 

[goback2013]

Mexican Vet Steroids were underdosed and not high quality back in the turn of the century. I remember getting tornell t200 brovel norandren 50 and getting some weird sides like rashes and irregular heart beats. Of course it could have been crappy raws.
They did get their shit together and a lot of the labs that popped up were unlicensed like Tokyo and QV. A lot suppliers carried denkall Syd group Jurox and other Aussie vet products. The human grade stuff was expensive back then sustanon deca durabolin stenox amps primoteston etc.
Fond memories email snail mail etc. ALL cash and WU.

Fantastic summary.

 

[A50#]

Haha… I love the old UG stories.

He’s on the mt. rushmore of OG UGL’s undoubtedly.

It’s nice to see you around Massive G.

I'd put IP and Alin on that mountain for sure.

 

[A50#]

Mexican Vet Steroids were underdosed and not high quality back in the turn of the century. I remember getting tornell t200 brovel norandren 50 and getting some weird sides like rashes and irregular heart beats. Of course it could have been crappy raws.
They did get their shit together and a lot of the labs that popped up were unlicensed like Tokyo and QV. A lot suppliers carried denkall Syd group Jurox and other Aussie vet products. The human grade stuff was expensive back then sustanon deca durabolin stenox amps primoteston etc.
Fond memories email snail mail etc. ALL cash and WU.

Back in the magazine classified ad days you sent a self addressed stamped envelope for a list and went from there. If you ordered it was cash only in a envelope. I remember kissing the envelope and saying a prayer before dropping it in the box. You always did a few test runs before you did anything large. There were no repercussions if your goodies never arrived, absolutely zero! You couldn't even vent to anyone about it. Transaction over! Most were incredibly honest. The only real issues we had is when we tried international. Customs was incredibly tight in that particular area at the time and they just kept getting snagged.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Thorus Iternational. Still have a lump from his gear till this day. Most likely not sterile. Jintropin from Lei Jin. Sure wish he was still around.

I know a good Vet who is still around from time to time, who took a lot of the fall during the Thorus bust. He pops up every now and then, but is busy with life now. Total respect for the guy.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Mid to late 90's for me
First Forum was Anabolex
First source was Insominiac/Oilbased (who was thought to be a pro bodybuilder)
Who Remembers "SBC", he sold needles and SBC meant Sour Butt Cheeks lol
First UGL was IP and those tabs.

I had a corporate job and would spend all day talking and buying gear on the web.

Are you also Irish_2003 on some forums?

I know a lot of people who used Insomniac back in the day. Later in the 2000's, SBC used a few different names as well.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Do you or anyone else happen to remember the IP sus-a-TON amps that were like 375mg per ampoule circa 2005ish….

I was a bouncer at a night club at the time and recently started gear… was shooting this shit in my quads and ass and it left me damn near immobile for ten weeks but I thought at the time I was hardcore and ‘bout that life’. Had to escort a gentleman out the club one night and had two peg legs bc I couldn’t bear to bend my knee and stretch my quads due to those f ing amps. Anyway, we get the dude outside and I’m in pain from all the fuss, and what I assume is this guys disgruntled girlfriend, bears down on me as I’m rubbing the softball size lumps on either quad and kicks me square in the balls from the back.

I’ll forever blame IP and those fucking amps for my first and only nut shot and it was a doozy. My quads still feel like granite and I think those amps had a lot to do w it.

Grew like a weed tho

OurUnkownSecrets was another good one back then from this board. That Iranian test was nice

gahh, that story hurt to read!

but no i never had the amps. Pretty sure it was ‘05 also when i first ordered from him. Learned on that first order that sometimes shit gets “charged to the game”. Had a bottle of deca get crushed in transit, thankfully the whole pack was wrapped in packing tape because the box was saturated w oil. Sent him an email about the crushed bottle and he responds with, “ok”. I didn‘t get pissy, or bitter, or come here and post about it bitching. Nature of the game, gave it the ol “it is what it is” and move on lol. Lesson learned

 

[goback2013]

Back in the magazine classified ad days you sent a self addressed stamped envelope for a list and went from there. If you ordered it was cash only in a envelope. I remember kissing the envelope and saying a prayer before dropping it in the box. You always did a few test runs before you did anything large. There were no repercussions if your goodies never arrived, absolutely zero! You couldn't even vent to anyone about it. Transaction over! Most were incredibly honest. The only real issues we had is when we tried international. Customs was incredibly tight in that particular area at the time and they just kept getting snagged.

The whole AAS underground scene would make a great multi-part documentary.
From the golden age of sourcing through a doctor. Onto the fed scheduling and sources moving to the back pages of BB publications.. mexico... So the eras as I see them


1. 60s thru early 90s(??) - doctor prescribed
2a. Mid 90s thru late 90s - Mexico/Mexi-vet
2b. Mid 90s thru late 90s - publication sourcing and gym hookups
3. Early-mid 2000s - internet forums and the RAWs boom
4. Late 2000s - post ORD
5. 2010s to current - ???

 

[MR. BMJ]

First place I ever visited was m.f.w. Immediately after that, I found Mesomorphosis and then EliteFitness. I think the main guy posting on the Meso forums during that time (96'ish) was the member Flex. I may have found EF the same day or week. It only had like 20 or so people on it. I was not any of the 'main posters,' but I was there from the start, at like 19 years old, IIRC. Not long after that, both Brian Raupp and Bill Llewellyn started the board Anabolix. They had a falling out and that is when Brian started Anabolex. All 3 were like sister forums to each other. During that time, is when Underground Supplements started by Superior1/Sup1. I made a few posts there, but my main forum(s) were mostly EF and Bolex during that time. EF had links at the top of their main page to log in over at Bolex. George start EliteFitnessSelect around 1997 as a private forum, and a lot of top guys were there. I left the boards around mid-way of 1998 until the very end of 1999. I was really busy in school, and also partying a lot, lol. I logged on a few times when I could get access.....fukking AOL was a pain in the ass unless you could get in at the library of a college or something. So I missed when Reneagade opened up during that time, and a few others. I officially logged back into EF at the beginning of 2000, and most guys from just a year or two prior were gone, MIA, scammers, doing time, or whatever. lol.

After 2000, or thereabouts, it was like whack-a-mole with boards opening up, lol. Made some really solid friends with a lot of the guys and Mods from EF in the early 2000's, was asked to Moderate there around 2001 or so (on the diet forum of all places, lol), but I declined because i was super busy with school finishing up. Mainly posted there, but then also AnabolicFitness (AF), Cutting Edge Muscle (CEM), Intense-Training, and maybe a few others. Ulter asked me to Mod at AF around 2003 or 04 IIRC. Also liked Iron Trybe as well. Got banned from EF in 2007 from either BigRickRock or MrX because I was a Mod at AF, and they were at odds with each other, lol. Was an original member and was banned because of "he said she said BS." That board really turned to shit to be honest. It was a very good forum from 1996 through the early to mid-2000's, even with some drama on it. They had possibly the best female forum of all time....them and Iron Trybe. A lot of the mods on EF went over to either AF or Iron Trybe. Man, I miss the heck out of a lot of them.

Every forum i've been a Moderator on the staff were always top notch. I never saw any funny BS on any of them. You hear things about certain forums, but when you are there with them behind the scenes, you see what really goes on. There are members who will say anything after they get banned or told to knock shit off, then rumors start. Not everybody is perfect, i've made some mistakes on how I went about things over the years, was too tough and militant at times, but eventually you find a happy-medium. It depends on the forum though, some you have to be a little stricter or people take you a mile if you give them an inch. I've seen the most top-notch guys out there lie their asses off....guys who are very well respected over the years. You really find ways to cut through the BS and weed those guys out and keep an eye on them. Moderated AF, WCBB, Peak-Muscle (and it's various former names), for rAJJIN when he owned the UG and then GenXBB, etc. Might be missing one or two in there, and i'm not gonna name any of the private forums. Now just moderate at TID. Any one of the guys who owned those forums and the staff, i'd do what I could if they ever needed help.

***And what the heck is going on over at EF? I went over there to look at something in a search, and they have spoofed the old accounts of guys I was Mods and friends with like TheRanger, E2, 2Thick, Ulter, I think even my old account that was banned! How shady is that shit!!!??? Those guys are literally answering questions, but I don't know who the heck is doing it because they have not been there in many years.....I mean, E2 left the forums around like 2004 or 05, tha fack is that about?

 

[EricJ123]

Guals 2010. I still have a lump in my ass from them having so much BA in their oil. I can't believe I kept injecting it despite the crippling pain

 

[danieltx]

I'm surprised to see how long some of y'all have been using PEDs. I feel like a relative baby with only 7 years in.

 

[Hyperemia]

I'm surprised to see how long some of y'all have been using PEDs. I feel like a relative baby with only 7 years in.

I started young without a fucking clue to what I was doing. Relying on the drugs and training and not nutrition. You can imagine how that went. Went off PEDs for about 10 years and just came back at it last year. I’ve got a long history but really only been doing seriously for a year or so. Made more progress in this last year than every year before combined. All thanks to the guys that have helped get me there, you all know who you are, and you know that includes you Daniel.

 

[goback2013]

I started young without a fucking clue to what I was doing. Relying on the drugs and training and not nutrition. You can imagine how that went. Went off PEDs for about 10 years and just came back at it last year. I’ve got a long history but really only been doing seriously for a year or so. Made more progress in this last year than every year before combined. All thanks to the guys that have helped get me there, you all know who you are, and you know that includes you Daniel.

Daniel is a freakn beast. Big respect to him. Always willing to help

So how long ? Hmm if memory serves.

1997-1998 bought gear from a gym guy.. sbc... Made trips to Mexico.
1999-2004 - break
2004-2009 - long continuous runs of tren, DHB,mast. Whatever PH, oral I could get my hands on. I was trying everything.
2009-2012 - break
2013-present - just running random cycles. No rhyme or reason. Few breaks. No longer than 3months

 

[Mufasa123]

***And what the heck is going on over at EF? I went over there to look at something in a search, and they have spoofed the old accounts of guys I was Mods and friends with like TheRanger, E2, 2Thick, Ulter, I think even my old account that was banned! How shady is that shit!!!??? Those guys are literally answering questions, but I don't know who the heck is doing it because they have not been there in many years.....I mean, E2 left the forums around like 2004 or 05, tha fack is that about?

It's there and Evolutionary. All the old mod/vet accounts are being used to show traffic I guess. Simple one line text drops. Probably one dude in his basement posting them all. Weird as anyone who knows those names is long gone and it's real obvious. Not like they mean anything to their target audience.

I miss AF Board. For many years that was all I was on (dif name that I forgot - random like this).

Old EF was funny. They asked me to mod at one point but I had/have little interest. Was a good era. Not sure if anyone remembers but probably around the Satchboogie/Primo time I think there was a troll account by the name Amaf. Generated such a ruckus and opened his own board Triedia. That to my memory started the board proliferation era. Was funny but a few good boards and met some solid folks (EF, Meso, Triedia, Fortified Iron, Animal and Dante had boards, obviously Ulter's AF Board). Good times.

 

[MR. BMJ]

It's there and Evolutionary. All the old mod/vet accounts are being used to show traffic I guess. Simple one line text drops. Probably one dude in his basement posting them all. Weird as anyone who knows those names is long gone and it's real obvious. Not like they mean anything to their target audience.

I miss AF Board. For many years that was all I was on (dif name that I forgot - random like this).

Old EF was funny. They asked me to mod at one point but I had/have little interest. Was a good era. Not sure if anyone remembers but probably around the Satchboogie/Primo time I think there was a troll account by the name Amaf. Generated such a ruckus and opened his own board Triedia. That to my memory started the board proliferation era. Was funny but a few good boards and met some solid folks (EF, Meso, Triedia, Fortified Iron, Animal and Dante had boards, obviously Ulter's AF Board). Good times.

Yea, AF was originally AnabolicFitness. We were so militant that it drove away a lot of the posters, LOL! It was a really good board for many years, a lot of top guys and women there. In 2007, Ulter changed it to AFboard, which stood for AnaFit, or something like that. A lot of those guys still pop up. Killer is still around. I have met him many times. I met MethylMike, who was at EF and a mod at Triedia. He and Killer knew each other. Both good guys. I think Mike is over at Meso, he likes more drama boards, haha. He was at the UG a year or so ago, I think here for a few a short while too. I'd drive over and support both Sassy69 and Killer when they would compete in the SF NPC. Both have moved since that time though, out of state. I met Ulter once in a get-together/reunion in 2008, IIRC. He, his wife, Killer, Sassy, GymRatSD, PharmAnimal/PA/Kap/Kapalaren (LOL), were all there. We hung out at the show, then around SF and San Jose area and the Boardwalk. There were a few others too at some of the shows. I know one show was in 2007, then I think in 08 or 09, and then in 2010. I should have never gone to the 2010 show, I looked effin' pathetic after not training for 14+ months, barely eating and when I did it was crap, and I was stressed off my ass with my dietetic internship. I didn't really care though, I went to support my friends. Therealj popped up a few years back on WCBB, damn good man he is.

A lot of the Mods and vets from AF were from around the NJ/Penn areas because they were all friends with Iron God and his wife FitnessChick (Heather Lee). Lots of powerlifters because of them were there....IG and his brother, Mike Miller, Chris Perticari, Dave Keiser and his wife, Elena Seiple when she was married with Chris, and so many others.

I remember AMAF, lol. Satchboogie had been arrested years prior in California before he was known everywhere. I don't exactly know what happened with him though, and why he disappeared. He probably got busted or just made his money and left. Probably signed in under a different name like most sources do...who knows.

Yea, Animal I knew since the early days of EF. Then he started chemical anarchy. I was a member there, but didn't post much. We had to ban him from AF because he cussed everybody out that disagreed with him...like every board he was on, lol. He was a smart guy, but he wasn't always right like he wanted to be, and he didn't like that. He pretty much ruined his own forum self-destructing like he did. I know it continued until he passed away, but it wasn't like it was many years prior.

There was a member that signed up here named Xerxes, who was one of the original guys at EF back in the 90's. He posted as Big Canuk back in that time. Both he and another guy who posted as JuiceMonkey (name was PJ) wrote the original Gainskeeper pamphlet, and the secrets of mail order book. I think he got caught up in that whole pm/email/user name scammer guy who was holding boards and members for ransom a few years back. Maybe he is still here? There were so many good guys on EF when it started....it was so fun back then!!!

Man, I bet @Massive G and a few of us could all write pages on all thjis. I am at the point where I am forgetting a lot now though. Also, with most of those boards gone and defunct, it's hard to go back and check things to refresh our memories. There are a ton of other vets here who were around back in those beginner days. These threads always bring out all the old fukkers, lol.

 

[kastro]

Yea, AF was originally AnabolicFitness. We were so militant that it drove away a lot of the posters, LOL! It was a really good board for many years, a lot of top guys and women there. In 2007, Ulter changed it to AFboard, which stood for AnaFit, or something like that. A lot of those guys still pop up. Killer is still around. I have met him many times. I met MethylMike, who was at EF and a mod at Triedia. He and Killer knew each other. Both good guys. I think Mike is over at Meso, he likes more drama boards, haha. He was at the UG a year or so ago, I think here for a few a short while too. I'd drive over and support both Sassy69 and Killer when they would compete in the SF NPC. Both have moved since that time though, out of state. I met Ulter once in a get-together/reunion in 2008, IIRC. He, his wife, Killer, Sassy, GymRatSD, PharmAnimal/PA/Kap/Kapalaren (LOL), were all there. We hung out at the show, then around SF and San Jose area and the Boardwalk. There were a few others too at some of the shows. I know one show was in 2007, then I think in 08 or 09, and then in 2010. I should have never gone to the 2010 show, I looked effin' pathetic after not training for 14+ months, barely eating and when I did it was crap, and I was stressed off my ass with my dietetic internship. I didn't really care though, I went to support my friends. Therealj popped up a few years back on WCBB, damn good man he is.

A lot of the Mods and vets from AF were from around the NJ/Penn areas because they were all friends with Iron God and his wife FitnessChick (Heather Lee). Lots of powerlifters because of them were there....IG and his brother, Mike Miller, Chris Perticari, Dave Keiser and his wife, Elena Seiple when she was married with Chris, and so many others.

I remember AMAF, lol. Satchboogie had been arrested years prior in California before he was known everywhere. I don't exactly know what happened with him though, and why he disappeared. He probably got busted or just made his money and left. Probably signed in under a different name like most sources do...who knows.

Yea, Animal I knew since the early days of EF. Then he started chemical anarchy. I was a member there, but didn't post much. We had to ban him from AF because he cussed everybody out that disagreed with him...like every board he was on, lol. He was a smart guy, but he wasn't always right like he wanted to be, and he didn't like that. He pretty much ruined his own forum self-destructing like he did. I know it continued until he passed away, but it wasn't like it was many years prior.

There was a member that signed up here named Xerxes, who was one of the original guys at EF back in the 90's. He posted as Big Canuk back in that time. Both he and another guy who posted as JuiceMonkey (name was PJ) wrote the original Gainskeeper pamphlet, and the secrets of mail order book. I think he got caught up in that whole pm/email/user name scammer guy who was holding boards and members for ransom a few years back. Maybe he is still here? There were so many good guys on EF when it started....it was so fun back then!!!

Man, I bet @Massive G and a few of us could all write pages on all thjis. I am at the point where I am forgetting a lot now though. Also, with most of those boards gone and defunct, it's hard to go back and check things to refresh our memories. There are a ton of other vets here who were around back in those beginner days. These threads always bring out all the old fukkers, lol.

Wasn't Satchboogie out of Israel?Maybe im confusing the places but I'm pretty sure I received a pack from him.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Wasn't Satchboogie out of Israel?Maybe im confusing the places but I'm pretty sure I received a pack from him.

I thought it was Turkey, but I could be wrong.

 

[danieltx]

Also, with most of those boards gone and defunct, it's hard to go back and check things to refresh our memories.

You can very likely use https://archive.org/ to find a lot of that content.

 

[Mufasa123]

I thought it was Turkey, but I could be wrong.

You are correct on Satch - or that was what he said and consensus. Makes sense with the primos he was pimping. As I recall he exit scammed or similar. He also did that big primo challange with a gram back then to promote it (before raws and UGL real money for others and at 100mg/ml a literal pita). I think his pics were underwhelming though I never saw them.

Great times. EF was so busy at its height. Kind of an insult what they are doing with those old accounts. I think I got on AF like 2008-2010. Can't remember. Basically just found Ulter and others from EF. I remember Sassy69, cool chick and real resource for women - doesn't seem to be a good forum for females anymore. I liked the PL and strength side. Animal was awesome - certainly a personality. I remember he had the original Fina kits and "magic solution" lol but back then before Brewing we had no idea or at least I didn't. My original Fina inject cycles circa early 90s...dumb very dumb. Lol

You are right though. Someone or maybe a few people should get together and write a book. Underground History of the Anabolic Underground or some such. Memories get lost and nice to rehash sometimes!