Generic HGH is bogus???

[trenboloninha]

i have ran saizen , seros , nordi and generic , to be honest never noticed any difference between them... :headbang:

 

[tren_plz]

Science > "Guru".

I'll take testing over his anecdotal evidence and friends in China.

 

[nothuman]

With all the conclusive tests that have been done on generic HGH on this very forum, along with thousands of personal experiences, how are people still even asking this question?

 

[get it in ya]

With all the conclusive tests that have been done on generic HGH on this very forum, along with thousands of personal experiences, how are people still even asking this question?

exactly!!

 

[lntense]

The pakistani guy being a wealthy business man, I'm sure has a little stake in a Pharma grade counterfeit GH operation. Ameen probably does as well lol. Can't believe half of what he says anyway. Just watch the almonds video, wtf.

my tin foil hat is on at all times fellas



No, but sure there are garbage generics, but to say they're all fake is silly.

 

[johnjuanb1]

Guru my ass!!! Does he even lift?

 

[dale338]

I agree there are good generics. I'm running some now, I believe to be damn good. Grey Tops, very pleased with them thus far. That said, let's look at the key points in the video. To just outright discount it, I do not think is fair. They bring up some valid points.

Again, these are THEIR points made in the video, not my own:

1. The established Chinese medical providers, hospitals etc, import all but one of the HGH for THEIR own citizens FROM the US and Europe.. At ten times the cost. If these generics were on par, why would they do that?

2. If the generics were licensed, they would triple their demand overnight. Licensing and verification is a requirement and not that complex in China. They spend $50,000,000 (million) to setup a manufacturer facility (on average what it takes to setup HGH production.) but won't spend a few thousand to get it licensed so it can be sold on the open market quadrupling their demand overnight?

3. They might be producing "GH" but the hardest part of producing quality GH is removing the dimers. So it will test out as GH, with a bunch of potential junk left in it?

4.The Chinese have often created knocks off that are better than the real products. In this case, if you put it past them to not be able to create a powder that when injected causes CNS, sleepiness, etc, common sides from GH, you are sadly mistaken and do not know the persistent nature of Chinese knock off pursuits.

5. And if you've never used real GH, you would not know the difference. Something to consider here.


All I'm saying, is consider everything when evaluating what they said. I agree, there is legit generic GH. I'm truly believe I'm running some now. But as someone who has never used pharma, GH, all I can go on is my gut and the results I see.

 

[johnjuanb1]

I agree there are good generics. I'm running some now, I believe to be damn good. Grey Tops, very pleased with them thus far. That said, let's look at the key points in the video. To just outright discount it, I do not think is fair. They bring up some valid points.

Again, these are THEIR points made in the video, not my own:

1. The established Chinese medical providers, hospitals etc, import all but one of the HGH for THEIR own citizens FROM the US and Europe.. At ten times the cost. If these generics were on par, why would they do that?

2. If the generics were licensed, they would triple their demand overnight. Licensing and verification is a requirement and not that complex in China. They spend $50,000,000 (million) to setup a manufacturer facility (on average what it takes to setup HGH production.) but won't spend a few thousand to get it licensed so it can be sold on the open market quadrupling their demand overnight?

3. They might be producing "GH" but the hardest part of producing quality GH is removing the dimers. So it will test out as GH, with a bunch of potential junk left in it?

4.The Chinese have often created knocks off that are better than the real products. In this case, if you put it past them to not be able to create a powder that when injected causes CNS, sleepiness, etc, common sides from GH, you are sadly mistaken and do not know the persistent nature of Chinese knock off pursuits.

5. And if you've never used real GH, you would not know the difference. Something to consider here.


All I'm saying, is consider everything when evaluating what they said. I agree, there is legit generic GH. I'm truly believe I'm running some now. But as someone who has never used pharma, GH, all I can go on is my gut and the results I see.

Those “gurus” haven’t seen the lab analysis we have here proving purity as high as serostim and dimer count almost the same for the provider grey tops.

 

[dale338]

Those “gurus” haven’t seen the lab analysis we have here proving purity as high as serostim and dimer count almost the same for the provider grey tops.

Agreed! Anyone using the title “guru” I question! Again, I will continue to use what I have now! Best GH to date I’ve ran! My only point was to counter their reasoning behind their position. They probably don’t understand the demand for genetir GH. They probably underestimated it and therefore it’s lucrative for makers to produce it. Which I for one sure hope it is, so we can all continue to have those options. No way in hell I could afford to run Parma grade year round for life. Lol

 

[1234trew]

I think this guy is just a little dated in his info.
Back when he was really in the game there was a big difference.

I personally prefer pharma, but you cannont argue that the Chinese guys are getting better at manufacturing.

Most of the guys on here are talking at 2ius or 6ius, but what about when you get into a big boy dosage? If you are running 20, 30 or 40 units a day, you will be able to tell the difference and I would never attempt that with generics.

 

[Explorerspl]

I agree there are good generics. I'm running some now, I believe to be damn good. Grey Tops, very pleased with them thus far. That said, let's look at the key points in the video. To just outright discount it, I do not think is fair. They bring up some valid points.

Again, these are THEIR points made in the video, not my own:

1. The established Chinese medical providers, hospitals etc, import all but one of the HGH for THEIR own citizens FROM the US and Europe.. At ten times the cost. If these generics were on par, why would they do that?

2. If the generics were licensed, they would triple their demand overnight. Licensing and verification is a requirement and not that complex in China. They spend $50,000,000 (million) to setup a manufacturer facility (on average what it takes to setup HGH production.) but won't spend a few thousand to get it licensed so it can be sold on the open market quadrupling their demand overnight?

3. They might be producing "GH" but the hardest part of producing quality GH is removing the dimers. So it will test out as GH, with a bunch of potential junk left in it?

4.The Chinese have often created knocks off that are better than the real products. In this case, if you put it past them to not be able to create a powder that when injected causes CNS, sleepiness, etc, common sides from GH, you are sadly mistaken and do not know the persistent nature of Chinese knock off pursuits.

5. And if you've never used real GH, you would not know the difference. Something to consider here.


All I'm saying, is consider everything when evaluating what they said. I agree, there is legit generic GH. I'm truly believe I'm running some now. But as someone who has never used pharma, GH, all I can go on is my gut and the results I see.

1. The generics aren't legal to use in a pharmaceutical setting.

2. They won't make more money getting licensed. They will have eyes on them at all times and won't be able to ship GH out of country anymore(guessing you weren't around when jintropin was easy to get then disappeared).

4.just no

 

[dale338]

1. The generics aren't legal to use in a pharmaceutical setting.

2. They won't make more money getting licensed. They will have eyes on them at all times and won't be able to ship GH out of country anymore(guessing you weren't around when jintropin was easy to get then disappeared).

4.just no

See these are the answers I’m looking for! Thanks! Makes sense too. I’m just one of those people that when someone makes an accusation, it’s best to analyze what they are claiming specifically and counter it based on facts. Your post makes sense.

 

[Ring9841]

1. The generics aren't legal to use in a pharmaceutical setting.

2. They won't make more money getting licensed. They will have eyes on them at all times and won't be able to ship GH out of country anymore(guessing you weren't around when jintropin was easy to get then disappeared).

4.just no

Not only that I think people are forgetting it’s not like the company that makes the gh is selling it for $4 an iu or whatever pharmgrade is costing. It’s not like people with a prescription order from the company they get it through hospital or pharmacy or wherever so really the profit margin isn’t actually what people assume it is there are others in the middle getting there cut..

Also it is my guess that there are more kits sold underground/ black market than there are people paying whatever ridiculous price from a pharmacy. So they end up selling more total units this way as well. Once again I might be wrong on that but it’s not like there are an endless supply of people willing to spend on pharmgrade or able to get a prescription. That’s just my guess someone can correct me if I’m wrong

 

[skosao]

just because the product is pharm doesn't mean that it's better. if you look back at some of matt porter's posts he has had blood work done on multiple pharma company TRT and his levels came back way lower than they were suppose to. ugl/generic all the way :headbang:

 

[Joenoarms]

If you truly listen to the broadcast on youtube, and keep an open mind AND base it on Chinese law regarding licensing, it DOES make sense. The idea is that they could yield ten times the business if they just licensed, then they do on the black market. So why not license? Good question. Then they go on to say how some Chinese products are knocks off, that have actually superseded the real genuine item in quality and I went, "bingo" that is what we have here? That said, I do get their angle. What we truly need is t110% independent testing. And when I say independent, I mean top lab, independent. With ZERO and I mean ZERO outside interests from anywhere. Not from someone who knows someone etc.

I don't think it's that simple. Become legitimate means a whole lot more than just getting a license. If a business is under the radar they don't have anywhere near the same expenses as a legitimate regulated business catering to the FDA and every other administration that feels like they need to do a random walk through and see if they are allowed to produce anything until they are happy. A GMP 5S facility isn't cheap and doesn't come overnight. Not everyone wants to play by the rules and there's a major market for UG hgh

 

[WhyIncision]

It's cute seeing everyone get so outraged over one guys opinion.

Science > "Guru".

If only this applied to other topics besides generic hgh. If a "guru" on the boards with a special color on their name said something that contradicted science, but made people feel warm and fuzzy about their training/diet/drug choices, all logic and science would be thrown out the window.

 

[PYGMY]

So we’re supposed to believe all these people using generics and getting tests done that show their GH/serum is sky fucking high are getting absolutely nothing from such supraphysiological hormone levels? Gimme a fucking break. And this generic viagra didn’t just give me a 4 hour hard on I could club a baby seal with.

 

[need4tren]

I have never used generic gh. But one thing I do notice. People with real pharm gh hit FREAK status and most people who use generic do not. But does it raise igf levels? Yes

 

[johnjuanb1]

I have never used generic gh. But one thing I do notice. People with real pharm gh hit FREAK status and most people who use generic do not. But does it raise igf levels? Yes

bboy is freak status with a pro overall win. Go read his thread where he talks about 15ius generic hgh per day. His hgh use is all generic i believe.

 

[G.I.Bro]

Why are people calling licensed legit Chinese pharma like Anke Bio or Gensci "generic." Just because it's made in China? They can make legit gh too...it's pharma and used in hospitals there.

Putting Chinese pharma is the same category as unlicensed non pharma level production (like Cambodian meditrope) is not the same thing.

Ameen makes money sourcing western GH to clients. He's talked shit on anything from China for ages.

To say China pharma industry is incapable of making decent gh is not accurate.