golf ball lump

kandaandm · Oct 9, 2005

I have a golf ball lump on my ass ......from injections a couple days ago of suspension and test.....it's a little tender but not hot or red......what do u think? should I go to the doc or wait it out?

Snarf · Oct 9, 2005

If the shot was from a couple of days ago, then it is not an abcess or infection yet.

Are you mixing supension and an oil based test in one shot? I couldn't tell from your post, but you should not mix water based and oil based gear in the same shot. That might be part of your problem.

Apply some heat and gently massage the area and it will go away over time. This should stimulate some blood flow to the area and help.

If it gets red, progressively sore or you spike a fever, go see a doc.

New_Mass · Oct 9, 2005

Snarf said:
Apply some heat and gently massage the area and it will go away over time. This should stimulate some blood flow to the area and help.

If it gets red, progressively sore or you spike a fever, go see a doc.

I wouldn't message it especially while its inflamed and irritated for if there is some infection forming the messaging will only help it spread, just keep an eye on it and wait it out only message when out of harms way

kandaandm · Oct 9, 2005

Yes....I have been mixing water based and oil based into one shot. I've rarely used water base in any of my cycles. I wasn't aware it was a problem to do so.......Why aren't u supposed to mix?

Snarf · Oct 9, 2005

I disagree with New Mass on the massage issue. If it is not red and you have no fever, then it is not infected. massaging the area will increase blood flow which is crucial to break up this mass. If you had an infection, you wouldn't be able to massage it due to the pain.

The reason you do not want to mix water and oil based gear is that it can end up forming an emulsion. The water based gear is meant to immedialtely spread out into interstitial tissues and be absorbed into the bloodstream. In the presence of oil, the water is trapped by the oil and this prevents it from being absorbed properly. It ends up sitting in the tissue and is a potential site for bacterial growth or can form an abcess.

I am sure there are folks who do this often with no problems, but it is generally not a good idea. You won't find any doctors doing this for the reason I stated above. Just do seperate shots.

Good luck on your lump.

Crowler · Oct 9, 2005

I would put some rice in a sock, heat it in the microwave and use it as a heat pad.

I like that better than a regular heat pad.

kandaandm · Oct 9, 2005

by the way....I massaged it last night and the lump looked bigger and came to the surface so it popped out more. I iced it and the lump swelling went down to how it was originally. So massaging is out...

kandaandm · Oct 9, 2005

rice? I've never tried that....how long do u heat it for?

STORM SHADOW · Oct 11, 2005

I was wondering how that lump was....it's been 3-4 days now?

SS

kandaandm · Oct 11, 2005

well..what happened was i preloaded 2 syrnges, 1 with enanthate and suspension and 1 with eq and suspension. I was running short on time so I put the syrnges away and injected them the next day..1 in shoulder 1 in glute...my shoulder feels like a mule kicked it and has painful lump. not red or hot yet...I went to the doc yesterday and he said I have a sterile abcess in my glute and if it doesn't go away in a few days he'll drain it. I forgot to have him look at my shoulder..I'm sure I'll be back at doc in a couple days and get
glute and shoulder drained. It doesn't seem to be getting better. Never again will I mix oil and water based in 1 pin. By the way..the gear is clean

kandaandm · Oct 11, 2005

sorry...I meant glute had painful lump/....shoulder is just really sore.

Crowler · Oct 12, 2005

kandaandm said:
rice? I've never tried that....how long do u heat it for?

30 seconds or so depending upon how strong your microwave is.

Just do like 15 secs and check to see. It actually works suprisingly well

I BELIEVE it was Excel Beyond that posted this. He said use brown rice but I used high GI white rice lol and it was still good.

CROWLER

xcelbeyond · Oct 12, 2005

Crowler said:
I BELIEVE it was Excel Beyond that posted this. He said use brown rice but I used high GI white rice lol and it was still good.

It wasn't info from me - but you're correct on the GI!

xcelbeyond · Oct 12, 2005

kandaandm said:
well..what happened was i preloaded 2 syrnges, 1 with enanthate and suspension and 1 with eq and suspension.

Snarf know his shit regarding this stuff.

Here's my thoughts on water-based gear - it SPOOKS THE HELL OUTTA ME. The reason being multi-use vials, 'cause of water-borne bacteria. Water-borne seems to be much more prevalent than oil-based products (remember I also mentioned multi-use, not amps, which would get used upon opening). I know a WAAAYY TO MANY people that know what they're doing that have gotten abcesses from this. I believe bigkiwi got this in this leg prior to one of his last contests.

My thoughts are it wasn't smart to "store" a water-based product other than in a sterile vial (which like I said even scares me). I realize a syringe is sterile (but so is a vial). I'd be interested in hearing some others opinion on this - Snarf?

rAJJIN · Oct 12, 2005

xcelbeyond said:
Snarf know his shit regarding this stuff.

Here's my thoughts on water-based gear - it SPOOKS THE HELL OUTTA ME. The reason being multi-use vials, 'cause of water-borne bacteria. Water-borne seems to be much more prevalent than oil-based products (remember I also mentioned multi-use, not amps, which would get used upon opening). I know a WAAAYY TO MANY people that know what they're doing that have gotten abcesses from this. I believe bigkiwi got this in this leg prior to one of his last contests.

My thoughts are it wasn't smart to "store" a water-based product other than in a sterile vial (which like I said even scares me). I realize a syringe is sterile (but so is a vial). I'd be interested in hearing some others opinion on this - Snarf?[/QUOTE

Im with Xcell on this one.... Waterbase is WAY more likley to cause pain and or infection. I use to argue with guys about it but the older and Wiser I get
the more I want nothing to do with waterbase.

If you have to have suspension Id recommend
the Zambons for winni or the Agoviron for Test. I wont buy anymore myself
that is in a multidose bottle.

BIGKIWI · Oct 12, 2005

I would lightly massage , don't over massage as this tends to inflame area more and be the start something bad

yep I have had 3 abcess cut out 2 leg at the same time and 1 tri all I would say the worst possible things you can have in your body just feel like you have been poisoned. They drained 1 litre from my tri

I got my arms up to about 36inches hahahaah or should I say arm

I don't reccommend water based anything unless it is legit Zambon in amps only way I would trust it

Maverick · Oct 12, 2005

I know you guys like the zambons and agrovirions but to be truthfully honest I love the Denkall Stanazolic Winstrol outta mexico. I havent ever used the zambons because I am too chickenshit to order from overseas but I have gotten great results off the stanazolic and I havent ever gotten a lump or abcess from it.

Just my 2cc's.

Mav

Snarf · Oct 12, 2005

xcelbeyond said:
My thoughts are it wasn't smart to "store" a water-based product other than in a sterile vial (which like I said even scares me). I realize a syringe is sterile (but so is a vial). I'd be interested in hearing some others opinion on this - Snarf?

I think the main mistake here was mixing the AQ and oil. However, prefilling a syringe with water based gear and letting it sit is not a good idea.

Oil based gear is pretty resistant to growing bacteria if it is prepared properly. Bacteria typically does not like to grow in oil and the high solvent content in the oil will kill most biological contaminants unless you are really sloppy.

Water based gear is different. When exposed to air, the alcohol used to maintain sterility immediately starts to evaporate and over time even a small contaminant can colonize and cause serious problems. This is why an emulsion is bad - the water just sits in your tissue begging for something to grow in it rather than being absorbed immediately like it is supposed to.

Good sterility practices are much more important when shooting water based gear. I would always wash my hands before shooting. Then use an alcohol swab on your fingers and the top of the vial. Scrub the surface of your skin vigorously with an alcohol swab before injecting. DO not shoot to much volume into one area and if you have some scar tissue from previous injections, find a fresh spot. The scar tissue will interfere with proper absorption.

Hope this helps and safe shooting.