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HCG 5000i/u, once every month enough?

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I've read that Big A has suggested to take hcg (5000i/u) once every month for long term aas users..e.g. the ones which go with the blast&cruise method.
Will that be enough to control our natural semen production? It would be much easier than shooting 250-500 twice a week. Also, since hcg will higher the estrogen level should Adex be taken during "blast" periods? Any comments would be appreciated.
 
some useful info

This study demonstrates that around 300iu HCG every other day is needed to raise ITT levels to baseline while administering Testosterone. That's 1,050iu HCG weekly.



Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression

Andrea D. Coviello, Alvin M. Matsumoto, William J. Bremner, Karen L. Herbst, John K. Amory, Bradley D. Anawalt, Paul R. Sutton, William W. Wright, Terry R. Brown, Xiaohua Yan, Barry R. Zirkin and Jonathan P. Jarow
Center for Research in Reproduction and Contraception, Geriatric Research Education and Clinical Center, Veteran Affairs Puget Sound Health Care System (A.M.M.), and Department of Medicine, University of Washington School of Medicine (A.D.C., W.J.B., J.K.A., B.D.A., P.R.S.), Seattle, Washington 98195; Department of Medicine, Charles R. Drew University (K.L.H.), Los Angeles, California 90059; Department of Urology, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine (X.Y., J.P.J.), Baltimore, Maryland 21287; and Division of Reproductive Biology, Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health (W.W.W., T.R.B., X.Y., B.R.Z., J.P.J.), Baltimore, Maryland 21205

Address all correspondence and requests for reprints to: Dr. Andrea D. Coviello, Feinberg School of Medicine, Northwestern University, Tarry 15-751, 303 East Chicago Avenue, Chicago, Illinois 60611-3008. E-mail: [email protected].

In previous studies of testicular biopsy tissue from healthy men, intratesticular testosterone (ITT) has been shown to be much higher than serum testosterone (T), suggesting that high ITT is needed relative to serum T for normal spermatogenesis in men. However, the quantitative relationship between ITT and spermatogenesis is not known. To begin to address this issue experimentally, we determined the dose-response relationship between human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and ITT to ascertain the minimum dose needed to maintain ITT in the normal range. Twenty-nine men with normal reproductive physiology were randomized to receive 200 mg T enanthate weekly in combination with either saline placebo or 125, 250, or 500 IU hCG every other day for 3 wk. ITT was assessed in testicular fluid obtained by percutaneous fine needle aspiration at baseline and at the end of treatment. Baseline serum T (14.1 nmol/liter) was 1.2% of ITT (1174 nmol/liter). LH and FSH were profoundly suppressed to 5% and 3% of baseline, respectively, and ITT was suppressed by 94% (1234 to 72 nmol/liter) in the T enanthate/placebo group. ITT increased linearly with increasing hCG dose (P < 0.001). Posttreatment ITT was 25% less than baseline in the 125 IU hCG group, 7% less than baseline in the 250 IU hCG group, and 26% greater than baseline in the 500 IU hCG group. These results demonstrate that relatively low dose hCG maintains ITT within the normal range in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression. Extensions of this study will allow determination of the ITT concentration threshold required to maintain spermatogenesis in man.
 
and this

HCG unraveled –

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) is a peptide hormone that mimics the action of luteinizing hormone (LH). LH is the hormone that stimulates the testes to produce testosterone. (1) More specifically LH is the primary signal sent from the pituitary to the testes, which stimulates the leydig cells within the testes to produce testosterone.

When steroids are administered, LH levels rapidly decline. The absence of an LH signal from the pituitary causes the testes to stop producing testosterone, which causes rapid onset of testicular degeneration. The testicular degeneration begins with a reduction of leydig cell volume, and is then followed by rapid reductions in intra-testicular testosterone (ITT), peroxisomes, and Insulin-like factor 3 (INSL3) – All important bio-markers and factors for proper testicular function and testosterone production. (2-6,19) However, this degeneration can be prevented by a small maintenance dose of hCG ran throughout the cycle. Unfortunately, most steroid users have been engrained to believe that hCG should be used after a cycle, during PCT. Upon reviewing the science and basic endocrinology you will see that a faster and more complete recovery is possible if hCG is ran during a cycle.

Firstly, we must understand the clinical history of hCG to understand its purpose and its most efficient application. Many popular “steroid profiles” advocate using hCG at a dose of 2500-5000iu once or twice a week. These were the kind of dosages used in the historical (1960’s) hCG studies for hypogonadal men who had reduced testicular sensitivity due to prolonged LH deficiency. (21,22) A prolonged LH deficiency causes the testes to desensitize, requiring a higher hCG dose for ample stimulation. In men with normal LH levels and normal testicular sensitivity, the maximum increase of testosterone is seen from a dose of only 250iu, with minimal increases obtained from 500iu or even 5000iu. (2,11) (It appears the testes maximum secretion of testosterone is about 140% above their normal capacity.) (12-18) If you have allowed your testes to desensitize over the length of a typical steroid cycle, (8-16 weeks) then you would require a higher dose to elicit a response in an attempt to restore normal testicular size and function – but there is cost to this, and a high probability that you won’t regain full testicular function.

One term that is critical to understand is testosterone secretion capacity which is synonymous to testicular sensitivity. This is the amount of testosterone your testes can produce from any given level of LH or hCG stimulation. Therefore, if you have reduced testosterone secretion capacity (reduced testicular sensitivity), it will take more LH or hCG stimulation to produce the same result as if you had normal testosterone secretion capacity. If you reduce your testosterone secretion capacity too much, then no amount of LH or hCG stimulation will trigger normal testosterone production – and this leads to permanently reduced testosterone production. (recovering full testosterone production is a topic for another article)

To get an idea of how quickly you can reduce your testosterone secretion capacity from your average steroid cycle, consider this: LH levels are rapidly decreased by the 2nd day of steroid administration. (2,9,10) By shutting down the LH signal and allowing the testis to be non-functional over a 12-16 week period, leydig cell volume decreases 90%, ITT decreases 94%, INSL3 decreases 95%, while the capacity to secrete testosterone decreases as much as 98%. (2-6)

Note: visually analyzing testes size is a poor method of judging your actual testicular function, since testicular size is not directly related to the ability to secrete testosterone. (4) This is because the leydig cells, which are the primary sites of testosterone secretion, only make up about 10% of the total testicular volume. Therefore, when the testes may only appear 5-10% smaller, the testes ability to secrete testosterone upon LH or hCG stimulation can actually be significantly reduced to 98% of their normal production. (3-5) So do not judge how "shutdown" you are by testicular size!
The decreased testosterone secretion capacity caused by steroid use was well demonstrated in a study on power athletes who used steroids for 16 weeks, and were then administered 4500iu hCG post cycle. It was found that the steroid users were about 20 times less responsive to hCG, when compared to normal men who did not use steroids. (8) In other words, their testosterone secretion capacity was dramatically reduced because they did not receive an LH signal for 16 weeks. The testes essentially became desensitized and crippled. Case studies with steroid using patients show that aggressive long-term treatment with hCG at dosages as high as 10,000iu E3D for 12 weeks were unable to return full testicular size. (7) Another study with men using low dose steroids for 6 weeks showed unsuccessful return of Insulin-like factor-3 (INSL3) concentration in the testes upon 5000iu/wk of HCG treatment for 12 weeks (6) (INSL3 is an important biomarker for testosterone production potential and sperm production) 20



In light of the above evidence, it becomes obvious that we must take preventative measures to avoid this testicular degeneration. We must protect our testicular sensitivity. Besides, with hCG being so readily available, and such a painless shot, it makes you wonder why anyone wouldn’t use it on cycle.
Based on studies with normal men using steroids, 100iu HCG administered everyday was enough to preserve full testicular function and ITT levels, without causing desensitization typically associated with higher doses of hCG. (2) It is important that low-dose hCG is started before testicular sensitivity is reduced, which appears to rapidly manifest within the first 2-3 weeks of steroid use. Also, it’s important to discontinue the hCG before you start PCT so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body’s own LH production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used)

Based off the above information, an optimal dose of hCG during the cycle would be 250iu every 4 days, or as a less desirable alternative, once a week shot of 500iu. Keep in mind, that the half-life of hCG is 3-4 days, while the half-life of LH is only 1-2 hours. Considering this difference in excretion time, it is best to space each dose of hCG at least 4 days apart for the optimal "peak and valley" replication. However, going more than 7 days between each hCG shot may promote increase the rate of desensitization from lack of LH or hCG stimulation.

If you are starting hCG late in the cycle, one could calculate a rough estimate for their required hCG "kick starting" dosage by multiplying 40iu x days of LH absence. (ie. 40iu x 60 days = 2400iu HCG dose) Remember, since the testes will be desensitized later in a cycle, you will require a higher dose. Also, the maximum daily dose of hCG should not exceed 5000iu, and 4-7 days must be taken off between each shot. Generally, a higher dose will require a longer off period between each shot. (eg., 2500iu = 7 days between each shot)

Note: If following the on cycle hCG protocol, hCG should NOT be used for PCT.
Recap –

For preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 250iu every 4 day starting 14 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels. This will initiate a strong LH and FSH surge from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn’t begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.
In conclusion, we have learned that utilizing hCG during a steroid cycle will significantly prevent testicular degeneration. This helps create a seamless transition from “on cycle” to “off cycle” thus avoiding the post cycle crash.

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thanx for the information...so what I understand is, that we have to divide the hcg shots to smaller and fewer amounts, approx.1000i/u-weekly is needed to obtain natural test production..so this comes to 4000i/u monthly..now if I shoot 5000i/u once every month, would this be not helpful as Big A has stated?
 
thanx for the information...so what I understand is, that we have to divide the hcg shots to smaller and fewer amounts, approx.1000i/u-weekly is needed to obtain natural test production..so this comes to 4000i/u monthly..now if I shoot 5000i/u once every month, would this be not helpful as Big A has stated?

see bro there are no absolutes in bodybuilding.....big A definetly knows whats correct( his principles are based on his experiences his reading etc etc )

however Dave palumbo does not believe in using HCG at all during on cycle...

dante trudel has somewhat different protocol of HPTA upregulation.....

you should follow the advice which seems to be "the most logical approach" and then get your blood work done and see what happens...
 
I think 250 iu 3 times a week would be a bare minimum as that study suggests. 1000iu a week is most effective I have found (broken into 500iu x 2 shots or 250x4), but for those of us on HRT at what point do we lose sensitivity to HCG and then what?

I started hcg about a week into my HRT startup 8 months ago and it seems lately that 250x3 is not doing it. My libido is down even at 300 mg test a week....got off the arim thinking I was just crushing my estro too low and that seemed to help for a while. Back to low libido again for some reason and not really wanting to add more drugs...gh at 3-4 iu a day hoping a couple more months in will help some too. Started hmg on top of all this just to experiment but only doing 25iu 3 times a week.. Just started yesterday so no news yet. I have been told I need 75iu a DAY but I always try to find the LOWEST effective dosage not to mention it is costly and I only got 3 bottles of 75 iu each and don't want to burn through this in a week...not into the extremes like I used to be just want to feel good and be healthy and strong and look 25 years old until I'm about 70 years old! Ha.
 
From what I have witnessed. HCG taken anywhere from 250iu ED to 500iu EOD the entire duration of the cycle. Really will decrease the time required to recover once the cycle is completed. This is just what I have observed.
 
i was told 250x2 a week during cycle was sufficient, this is really interesting tho
 
This all is so confusing, some person says hcg during cycle,the other says after cycle...and it goes on and on..people like me just want to read and find the right solutions for my questions, but this is nearly to impossible in the aas world since everybody has their own opinions and correct answers...so who to believe, do we all have to experience and put our bodies to research samples for finding the truth? Some doctors prescribe hcg together with trt, but on the prescription of pregnyl(hcg) it says don't use it while you're on trt.
This is all sooo confusing, the sad thing is after so much reading and reading for weeks.. months...still not able to find the correct and convincing answers.
 
This all is so confusing, some person says hcg during cycle,the other says after cycle...and it goes on and on..people like me just want to read and find the right solutions for my questions, but this is nearly to impossible in the aas world since everybody has their own opinions and correct answers...so who to believe, do we all have to experience and put our bodies to research samples for finding the truth? Some doctors prescribe hcg together with trt, but on the prescription of pregnyl(hcg) it says don't use it while you're on trt.
This is all sooo confusing, the sad thing is after so much reading and reading for weeks.. months...still not able to find the correct and convincing answers.

I was thinking the same thing...I guess it comes down to what ever you feel is right for your body.....
 
This all is so confusing, some person says hcg during cycle,the other says after cycle...and it goes on and on..people like me just want to read and find the right solutions for my questions, but this is nearly to impossible in the aas world since everybody has their own opinions and correct answers...so who to believe, do we all have to experience and put our bodies to research samples for finding the truth? Some doctors prescribe hcg together with trt, but on the prescription of pregnyl(hcg) it says don't use it while you're on trt.
This is all sooo confusing, the sad thing is after so much reading and reading for weeks.. months...still not able to find the correct and convincing answers.

well both Dr. I's posts supported HCG during the cycle, the main difference was one was higher dosed EOD beginning immediately and the other was lower dosed E4D begining 2 weeks after the start and stopping 2 weeks prior to the finish.

Personally I didn't have a problem coming off and I used HCG but maybe I wouldn't have had a problem without it. What I can say for sure is that I was much hornier once I started the HCG.
 
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well both Dr. I's posts supported HCG during the cycle, the main difference was one was higher dosed EOD beginning immediately and the other was lower dosed E4D begining 2 weeks after the start and stopping 2 weeks prior to the finish.

Personally I didn't have a problem coming off and I used HCG but maybe I wouldn't have had a problem without it. What I can say for sure is that I was much hornier once I started the HCG.


yes me too.... felt a bit "too horny"...when on HCG
 
I don't think there is a lot of debating this issue anymore. HCG is best on cycle, or year round if you don't cycle, @ 250-500iu twice per week (biw), depending on the person and the brand. Some will feel they require a lower dose of Pregnyl for example vs. Chinese generics. At minimum, you could get by with 500iu once per wk, w/ 250iu biw being more preferable. But most will feel best @ 500iu biw. You are simply replacing a hormone that you should normally have to maintain proper function. You knock out LH production with exogenous T/AAS obviously. People have worried for years about desensitization from HCG use. Well, considering that desensitization occurs in the absence of LH as well as with excessive LH, the key is to administer a proper amount of replacement hormone. You wouldn't inject a huge shot of T prop once per month to replace testosterone would you? Why would you inject a huge dose of HCG once per month to replace LH? Both drugs (HCG & t prop) are used to replace essential hormones and both drugs only last a few days. Its just not logical nor is there any evidence to support mega dosing except in those who have experienced long term LH depression. Perhaps you are so desensitized to LH from essentially having it present for only 3-4 days out of the month that you need a mega dose to stimulate the testes, but how is that desirable? So why would you use it once per month? Just b/c someone wrote an article 7 years ago that said that's how you should use it? Or can you not think for yourself and draw your own conclusions?

Rex.
 
This all is so confusing, some person says hcg during cycle,the other says after cycle...and it goes on and on..people like me just want to read and find the right solutions for my questions, but this is nearly to impossible in the aas world since everybody has their own opinions and correct answers...so who to believe, do we all have to experience and put our bodies to research samples for finding the truth? Some doctors prescribe hcg together with trt, but on the prescription of pregnyl(hcg) it says don't use it while you're on trt.
This is all sooo confusing, the sad thing is after so much reading and reading for weeks.. months...still not able to find the correct and convincing answers.


It will always be confusing...different people do things differently and have different responses to what they use and prefer certain protocols over others.
From what I have learned taking hcg post cycle is incorrect as this will only delay your recovery because you are providing your body with external LH instead of allowing it to realize test levels are low and restart its own...keeping your testes in production during your cycle with hcg (LH) theoretically allows quicker bounce back after you get off...provided you stop the hcg about 2 weeks before all the AAS are out of your system.

If only it were as simple as "reading and finding the right solution for problems" like you said...honestly I think there are MANY people that hang around here that have more "real world" knowledge of AAS and PCT than even some endocrinologists! Even they will tell you different things. I had one try to put me on hcg to jump start me...then on test...then back on hcg...worked ok but this will NEVER get your to a point where you can go natural and he said that was his goal...to push my body to increase it's production...will only continue to lower it...the higher he pushed my hcg intake the more desensitized my leydig cells would become...and when I went on exogenous test even at 125/wk of COURSE my body shut down production because it had plenty being added to it! So, this was all a learning experience for me...years ago.

Now, I do HRT with hcg continually...sometimes I take a break from hcg and bump the test up some and then vice versa.
You will find the same with supplementation...some people say certain products are the best they ever took, others will tell you it is garbage...everyone is different.
ANOTHER problem is quality of the products you take...some manufacturers better than others...which plays a role. Sorry that we don't have answers carved in stone...just doesn't work that way. Try what makes the most sense to you and see how you do.
 
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I don't think there is a lot of debating this issue anymore. HCG is best on cycle, or year round if you don't cycle, @ 250-500iu twice per week (biw), depending on the person and the brand. Some will feel they require a lower dose of Pregnyl for example vs. Chinese generics. At minimum, you could get by with 500iu once per wk, w/ 250iu biw being more preferable. But most will feel best @ 500iu biw. You are simply replacing a hormone that you should normally have to maintain proper function. You knock out LH production with exogenous T/AAS obviously. People have worried for years about desensitization from HCG use. Well, considering that desensitization occurs in the absence of LH as well as with excessive LH, the key is to administer a proper amount of replacement hormone. You wouldn't inject a huge shot of T prop once per month to replace testosterone would you? Why would you inject a huge dose of HCG once per month to replace LH? Both drugs (HCG & t prop) are used to replace essential hormones and both drugs only last a few days. Its just not logical nor is there any evidence to support mega dosing except in those who have experienced long term LH depression. Perhaps you are so desensitized to LH from essentially having it present for only 3-4 days out of the month that you need a mega dose to stimulate the testes, but how is that desirable? So why would you use it once per month? Just b/c someone wrote an article 7 years ago that said that's how you should use it? Or can you not think for yourself and draw your own conclusions?

Rex.

Very informative and logical post. I agree with everything you wrote. You put it in layman's terms...
 
I run 250 twice a week sometimes 3 times a week all the way through. I couldnt imagine doing 5000ius at once i would blow up like a water balloon and get gyno for sure.
 
Very well said

I don't think there is a lot of debating this issue anymore. HCG is best on cycle, or year round if you don't cycle, @ 250-500iu twice per week (biw), depending on the person and the brand. Some will feel they require a lower dose of Pregnyl for example vs. Chinese generics. At minimum, you could get by with 500iu once per wk, w/ 250iu biw being more preferable. But most will feel best @ 500iu biw. You are simply replacing a hormone that you should normally have to maintain proper function. You knock out LH production with exogenous T/AAS obviously. People have worried for years about desensitization from HCG use. Well, considering that desensitization occurs in the absence of LH as well as with excessive LH, the key is to administer a proper amount of replacement hormone. You wouldn't inject a huge shot of T prop once per month to replace testosterone would you? Why would you inject a huge dose of HCG once per month to replace LH? Both drugs (HCG & t prop) are used to replace essential hormones and both drugs only last a few days. Its just not logical nor is there any evidence to support mega dosing except in those who have experienced long term LH depression. Perhaps you are so desensitized to LH from essentially having it present for only 3-4 days out of the month that you need a mega dose to stimulate the testes, but how is that desirable? So why would you use it once per month? Just b/c someone wrote an article 7 years ago that said that's how you should use it? Or can you not think for yourself and draw your own conclusions?

Rex.

This post pretty much sums it up! Excellent reasoning, and I would have to agree, in fact a lot of the guys on this thread put forth informative responses. One area I would like to know more about concerning HCG is lipid profiles and values while using it.. I have heard some bad things..
 
For the love of holy Jesus, do not shoot 5000IU of hCG at once.

But if you do, really it's natural selection regarding offspring.
 
I would suggest breaking it up at least 2x week in about equal dosages over course of the month.
 
ive tried 3 shots of 1500iu over a two week period and for me using 500iu EOD was way better. My balls tend to shrink big time while on cycle and i dont think thats something one or two shots of hcg will magically fix.

Best way to do it is like everyone else said, bi-weekly throughout the entire cycle. I wish i could do this, but i still live at home with my mom and cant exactly keep the hcg in the kitchen fridge :(
 

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