Hgb higg from lab results

ironone1 · Mar 12, 2010

I just had some bloodwork done and the doctor called me back saying that my hemoglobin was high and has been going up over the past few years. I was going to scale back my gear use for a little bit but is this something to really worry about? What are some of the serious side effects of this having high rbc's? I've currently been on test and eq. I found this article but it doesn't really say much.

RBC (Red Blood Count)

Hemoglobin (Hgb): Hemoglobin is the amount of oxygen carrying protein contained within the red blood cells.

Hemoglobin Too High: Rule out lung disease, living at high altitude, excessive bone marrow production of blood cells, kidney tumors, hepatomas (liver tumors), uterine leiomyomas, cerebellar hemangioblastomas, and sickle cell anemia

Hemoglobin Too Low: Rule out anemia due to nutritional deficiencies, blood loss, destruction of blood cells internally, or failure to produce blood in the bone marrow.

Hematocrit (Hct, Packed Cell Volume or PCV): The hematocrit is the percentage of the blood volume occupied by red blood cells. Men have a slightly higher hematocrit percentages than women because women lose a bit of blood each month during their menstrual cycle.

Hematocrit Too High: Rule out smoking (due to too much carbon dioxide exposure), high altitude, chronic lung disease, and newborn syndrome.

Hematocrit Too Low: Rule out anemia due to nutritional deficiencies, blood loss, and destruction of blood cells internally, or failure to produce blood in the bone marrow.

Can any of you vets chime in on this that stay on year round their comments and concerns. Thanks again for all replies.....i1

ironone1 · Mar 12, 2010

They said the liver and kidneys was okay. I really don't want to go to a blood specialist to get poked because I know it's from aas.

ironone1 · Mar 12, 2010

Link on high RBC's

Check this link, very informative.

Polycythaemia (raised red cell count)

ironone1 · Mar 13, 2010

BUMP for vet feedback. I suspect the eq is a no no for now.

locutus61 · Mar 13, 2010

High RBC is one thing. Donating blood helps with that. Is there a real downside to high hemtatocrit? I cant find anything to indicate that it poses anything life-threatening.

maldorf · Mar 13, 2010

locutus61 said:
High RBC is one thing. Donating blood helps with that. Is there a real downside to high hemtatocrit? I cant find anything to indicate that it poses anything life-threatening.

If it gets too high you increase your risk of getting a blood clot. That clot could form in a deep vein in your leg and then travel to your lungs and cauase a pulmonary edema, thats almost sure death. So danger of clots. Strokes, heart attack etc.

If your hemoglobin/hematorit are really high it makes your blood thicker, and that makes your heart work harder to push it around. That can lead to cardiomyopathy. youll get an enlarged heart and it wont beat with much force.

ironone1 · Mar 13, 2010

maldorf said:
If it gets too high you increase your risk of getting a blood clot. That clot could form in a deep vein in your leg and then travel to your lungs and cauase a pulmonary edema, thats almost sure death. So danger of clots. Strokes, heart attack etc.

If your hemoglobin/hematorit are really high it makes your blood thicker, and that makes your heart work harder to push it around. That can lead to cardiomyopathy. youll get an enlarged heart and it wont beat with much force.

Very good points maldorf. I know it thickens the blood so I am going off eq and scaling my test use back. I'm going to see about donating some blood but I know they won't take it if your rbc's are out of whack. I thought this would serve as a good warning for everybody out there that is an aas user. I know it is a common problem with heavy users.

tsimehc75 · Mar 13, 2010

maldorf said:
If it gets too high you increase your risk of getting a blood clot. That clot could form in a deep vein in your leg and then travel to your lungs and cauase a pulmonary edema, thats almost sure death. So danger of clots. Strokes, heart attack etc.

If your hemoglobin/hematorit are really high it makes your blood thicker, and that makes your heart work harder to push it around. That can lead to cardiomyopathy. youll get an enlarged heart and it wont beat with much force.

always great to read your input Maldorf..you a credit to PM brother!!

maldorf · Mar 13, 2010

tsimehc75 said:
always great to read your input Maldorf..you a credit to PM brother!!

I am really glad to see so many guys on this site now taking a serious look at their health.At first I didnt really know about how AAS can raise your hematorcrit, and it wasnt until my tests started to come back high that I learned a thing about it. I had to search around on the net. I suspected it was the AAS, because it was always worse when I was on cylce, but I didnt know for sure. With us all now talking about this issue on here, the new guys dont have to go out and search for the facts because its all laid out right here on professional muscle. I dont think any of the other internet sites do as good a job as ours on health issues.

deadliver · Mar 13, 2010

I responded in another thread, well, more like asked a question on similar bloodwork. I just talked to my doc today about it and he was actually pretty relaxed, even with the aas use, he just said to be taking an asprin for blood viscosity and to drink tons of water. And that he was completely unconvinced that it was due to aas. wants more blood tests periodically to watch it, and was more concerned with daily blood pressure checks. well thats my info for the day. hope it helps.

And Maldorf thank you for your posts, I always read them and learn quite a bit.

-deadliver

ironone1 · Mar 13, 2010

deadliver said:
I responded in another thread, well, more like asked a question on similar bloodwork. I just talked to my doc today about it and he was actually pretty relaxed, even with the aas use, he just said to be taking an asprin for blood viscosity and to drink tons of water. And that he was completely unconvinced that it was due to aas. wants more blood tests periodically to watch it, and was more concerned with daily blood pressure checks. well thats my info for the day. hope it helps.

And Maldorf thank you for your posts, I always read them and learn quite a bit.

-deadliver

I was on bp meds for awhile but came off. He said my bp was normal and to just monitor it. I take aspirin with my excedrin just about daily to counter the headache from the viagra, lol. My other arthritis doctor wants me to go to a blood specialist.

I've been on test for probably a year straight and just started taking eq before the blood test. Doesn't take a genius to know that the high numbers were from aas use. You know that bro....

cuz · Mar 13, 2010

maldorf said:
If it gets too high you increase your risk of getting a blood clot. That clot could form in a deep vein in your leg and then travel to your lungs and cauase a pulmonary edema, thats almost sure death. So danger of clots. Strokes, heart attack etc.

If your hemoglobin/hematorit are really high it makes your blood thicker, and that makes your heart work harder to push it around. That can lead to cardiomyopathy. youll get an enlarged heart and it wont beat with much force.

I think you meant pulmonary embolism. Ironone1, I would bet its the eq causing the high levels.

ironone1 · Mar 13, 2010

cuz said:
I think you meant pulmonary embolism. Ironone1, I would bet its the eq causing the high levels.

Yeah it probably is. I made mine 600mg/ml, lol. I wasn't on the eq that long though before I had the bloodwork done so I was a little surprised.

Anyways, I'm going to come off of it and back my test dose down to either 300 or 600mg/wk at max. I had some breathing issues too so I'm not taking any chances.

maldorf · Mar 14, 2010

cuz said:
I think you meant pulmonary embolism. Ironone1, I would bet its the eq causing the high levels.

OOps, yeah i meant embolism. No, test will raise your hematocrit too. Its a combination of both. EQ is supposed to be worse for that though. Just cuising on test though can elevate hct/hgb. Just being on doctor prescribed HRT can be tricky keep the levels down to safe numbers. I had to drop my dose down from 150 mg/wk test to just 120 mg/wk.

ironone1 · Mar 14, 2010

maldorf said:
OOps, yeah i meant embolism. No, test will raise your hematocrit too. Its a combination of both. EQ is supposed to be worse for that though. Just cuising on test though can elevate hct/hgb. Just being on doctor prescribed HRT can be tricky keep the levels down to safe numbers. I had to drop my dose down from 150 mg/wk test to just 120 mg/wk.

Yeah I need to drop my test down definitely. I've been taking 3cc's or 900mg/wk for awhile now. Def. not cruising....