How much muscle gain on TRT? (test=51ng/dl)

liftin4life · Sep 11, 2006

I recently found out my test levels are 51ng/dl TOTAL with 11ng/dl FREE. This was the 3rd test and it was a morning test so it's accurate.

All hormone levels were tested and an MRI was done. It turns out the cause is a pituitary tumor. Anyway..it's not prolactin based and E2, FSH, LH, TSH, and SHBG are also normal. So there is a high chance I'm going on TRT.

At an age of 25, my test should be 800-1000 range so if they get me anywhere near that, this would be 16x to 20x the amount of test I currently have. How much can I expect to gain off 100-200mg/wk of Test Cyp or Test Enth? I know it's not much but taking into account my levels it should be dramatic, right?

LATS · Sep 12, 2006

wow.. that is low... with levels that low you should feel a big difference.. muscle, sex drive, energy ect.. you might be surprised how different having "normal" levels will make ya feel..

liftin4life · Sep 12, 2006

LATS said:
wow.. that is low... with levels that low you should feel a big difference.. muscle, sex drive, energy ect.. you might be surprised how different having "normal" levels will make ya feel..

Yeah...it IS low. Especially me being 25 yrs old. Things aren't even working down there. Even Jenna Jameson can't help me (10 min...no response). So this is upsetting to say the least. Not being funny or too forward...just upset about how bad it is and trying to let people get an idea of how frustrating this can be.

Yeah...I was thinking with even a base TRT dosage...16-20x my current test (when it becomes normal) should provide amazing muscle growth. What I'm curious about is...if someone does a cycle and has normal levels...what does that do to their total/free test? If I knew some numbers, I could better predict how I'll respond. But yeah...I'm sure I'll feel like a totally different person.

liftin4life · Sep 15, 2006

Tips on doc discussion???

So if by some strange chance my doctor decides HCG is a good option (which it's not since LH is fine)....what are some good arguments AGAINST HCG so that I can make sure I get put on test?

I was thinking about mentioning the possibility of gyno and also mentioning that I didn't want to mess with the HPTA negative feedback loop at the BEGINNING of the loop as HCG would be doing. I'll say I'd rather have it at the END of the loop (TRT/test) so that if/when tumor removal becomes necessary...it will be easier to restart that negative feedback loop since HCG/LH have not been DIRECTLY affected.

I'm pretty sure everything will go smoothly but just in case...I'd like to have some good comebacks.

Any ideas???

Fullybuilt · Sep 15, 2006

Have you cycled before? How did this tumor happen? Is this genetic, b/c thats a pretty rare thing to get. Did you have this all your life?

Also at 150mg cypionate my levels were around 1,100. 800-1000 is not normal for someone 25years old. Thats what an 18year old finishing up puberty produces. At 25years old, the average range is closer to 600

liftin4life · Sep 16, 2006

Fullybuilt said:
Have you cycled before? How did this tumor happen? Is this genetic, b/c thats a pretty rare thing to get. Did you have this all your life?

Also at 150mg cypionate my levels were around 1,100. 800-1000 is not normal for someone 25years old. Thats what an 18year old finishing up puberty produces. At 25years old, the average range is closer to 600

Did 1 cycle and a couple cycles of PH's. The cycle was mild, PCT was on par...gains were kept...everything was fine. This is apparently something that I've had for years. I've had the symptoms for years also but shrugged them off. They've worsened to the point where they're unbearable. That's why I went to the doctor...which led to the tumor discovery.

How did it happen? The doctors say it is not a result of anything I have done and they know everything about me...diet/training/hormones/supplements/etc. The cause is still unknown though (in ALL cases) for pituitary tumors. They ARE very common actually. I did some digging...many people have them but never know because they rarely grow large enough to cause problems. The tumors (as far as the docs know)...are not based on genetics at all.

The fact that I'm "out of order" sexually (no response AT ALL with even the best porn) is what let me know something was seriously wrong. Something has to be done ASAP. I have an endocrinologist appointment Wednesday so hopefully this Dr. can provide a solution (the other Dr's just helped narrow down the problem with tons of blood testing and an MRI).