I Did Delete The Thread on Recieving

allbeef · Dec 4, 2005

Primarilly becuase we personalized the business a litttle more then maybe we should have. So JJ and I hope we helped those members that were interested and benefited. We can continue the discussion in more general terms and so I am starting with the last post of JJ that was on the thread. We can talk about storage, computer security, shipping, recieving, computer security or anything else that might be of interest as I think there was only one issue that stood out in the last thread that was too personalized.

Allbeef

JJ INSANE TODAY
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powerlifter
Is it safe to recieve from a domestic source through fed ex?

In 7 plus years the ONLY shipping method i have ever had a problem with was UPS.... i cant get into the details but... UPS workers seem very nosey to me.
No one got busted but... i lost 24k in gear. Major set back just because some UPS prick had to go snooping.

Fed-ex is private owned... just like UPS. They can open anything any time they want. The do not need a search warrant... they need nothing.
That being said... personally i dont think fedex really gives a shit. You do know the are partly owned my the MAFIA? Yeah... really.
All Fedex drivers care about is getting there pack to the address on time... and getting off work early.
Personally i like Priority confirmation.... why? Well... it never EVER requires a signature... it is usually (except christmas) 3 day delivery. They require a search warrant to open the pack.
Now.. if you get caught receiving via postal... the penalties are stiffer. If you have enough gear they will charge you with federal shit... that is bad.
UPS and Fedex and DHL cant charge you federally.
I rank them in this order... USPS priority #1.... DHL #2 ... Fedex #3 ... never ups.
Hope that helps you make your choice.... but always remember.. .any time you order via mail... what ever method... you are at RISK. Never let your guard down... no matter what.
JJ Insane1
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allbeef · Dec 4, 2005

Someone asked in the last thread

Whether bigger orders were better than smaller orders and I am sorry I can't get back to the thread and see who it was but from my perspective bigger is better.

But you have to have a very good relationship with your source and know how it's going to come and when then assume the risk if you choose.

If it's international and you are able to track it in then you are going to know if there is a problem and you will close the box before they attempt to deliver it.

If you aren't able to do that then you are going to use multiple boxes and let packs sit for extended period of time before pick up.

The idea situation is the large box and your source keeps everything in the right size to fit and you have a non USPS mailbox clerk that signs and puts the box right in your box and you make irregular late night pickup from the deserted stripmall or wherever.

Thats not too hard to find a clerk like that but most of your more formal shops will make you sign for everything and force you to pick up during business hours.

Just allways remember the goal that you want to maintain is to make it so they have to put alot of resources towards setting you up. Resources that most local cops don't have. But that's coming from a guy who only imported unbranded tabs and oils so half the time with an oil intercept customs just threw the oil away and I am not sure how much they cared about the tabs either as they weren't coming through with Pharmacuetical information and labeling.

Once they cared too much, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending upon how you viewed the outcome; postive or negative.

I guess it also depends on whether you are talking from a source perspective or personal but as I look back it appears in either case it would be better to get one big order through than 5 little ones as you exposure is 5 times as great and sh*t, looking at Conte ( I think got his name right ) as an example, when all was said and done there are guys who got busted with 300 Thai Dbal at there mommas house that were hit harder then he was.

Allbeef

tbolking · Dec 4, 2005

good idea to delete, in a perfect world it would be great to bounce stratagies off each other and share as much info as possible but you never know who's reading. so the less the better IMO

mrjacked · Dec 4, 2005

good call

good call to delete mrjacked

Got Juice · Dec 5, 2005

definitely a good thread to delete, i think the information was out there long enought for any board members to get the gist of the thread. that was waiting for a DEA or some other pain in the ass to come across and do some investigating..

honestly, i got scared to even post man name in it.. lol and i dont even do shit!!

later,

allbeef · Dec 5, 2005

Well Sometimes We Over Estimate The Involment Of Law Enforcement On The Boards

You just don't see to much board material being used against anyone in my recollection.

The other issue is I don't access any board with my own IP. I use a VPN which creates a tunnel much like the bank uses for their financial transactions.

For free anonymity if you have the option of taking your laptop aroud to mcdonalds, kinkos, starbucks or any other hot spots that allow free access to the internet. Or if you only have a PC then the public library is a possibility for anonymity.

Now I pay almost $1 a day for the VPN and it is pretty fast when it's tied to high speed internet and it never terminates or drops you which could lead to some exposure.

But I'd love someone to sign up for this very similiar protection for only $7 a month. I just came accross it this week. Please let me know how it functions because if it is comparable I won't keep spending $30 a month.

**broken link removed**

you can send cash, money order and be completely anounymous.

My VPN is pricy and awesome and also offshore and thats why I can talk pretty openly on the board because I have great faith in the technology although I don't understand it.

Allbeef

I also use securenym.net. I always used it in business and found that bodybuilding supplements were never a concern to the management and they are an offshore company who do not log any of the internet traffic to and from their board. For me Hushmail and ziplip or cyber-rights might be good data storage accounts particularly if the information is encrypted. But my intuition is you get what you pay for and securenym has delivered for me consistently and anonimity while running a program.

Gone1 · Dec 5, 2005

He he he... shit bro - i have never used any of those anon ip hiding programs or sites.
Now if i was a big time cocaine dealer or some other drug i would. Over the last 7 years i have never seen anyone get busted because they traced there IP address.... i have also never seen anyone have any info from a message forum used against them.
Its pretty much cut and dry... if they want you bad enough.. they will get you. There is no way around it. If they cant catch you then they will just plant evidence or charge you with some pussy charge... like "conspiracy" bla bla bla.
I really never worry about the info i post on these forums. I would never post every single step of my operation... i never talk over the phone about ANYTHING to do with business... not even my mexican Pharmacy owner (i am part owner) .... i have an uncle who works for the FBI and he made it very clear how important it is to STAY AWAY from ANY phone... other then a phone booth.
I pride my self in end security... meaning.. keeping the customer safe! If i have 6 packs sent out and just one gets nabbed then it will come back on the other 5 and that will end up getting 6 of my customers popped.... I take every precaution to make sure my shipper sends the most secure way possible. If i keep my customers safe... that just makes me safer in the end.

JJ Insane1

allbeef · Dec 5, 2005

I am in total agreement

That I never have seen anyone have their IP traced by LE nor have I seen anyone be connected in anyway to a forum like this or have the information from a forum board used against them. I can't recall any email from any of the Hush, cyber, securenym, yahoo, hotmail or any other being used against anyone.

Steroid bust's are really very rare.

But, having said that, I have to worry about some d*ck member or mod who wants to float your IP out there.

I just never wanted that much anxiety in my program so over time I eliminated any vulnerabilities I could.

JJ,
you obviously have a very good thing going and because I never peddled Mexican gear, I can't always appreciate your position, but I think the proof or support for your position as it pertains to your program is that you have been very succesful long term.

It's also a little different when you are bringing others up, I think you are obligated to give them the best security possible even though we both agree that what I advocate may be overkill and unecessary.

As I said in the last thread, how very lucky we were that we lived at a time when the internet was created and capatilized on it's infancy.

Allbeef

bigbaldbulldog · Dec 5, 2005

Hope for the best and Expect the worst......

Gone1 · Dec 5, 2005

allbeef said:
That I never have seen anyone have their IP traced by LE nor have I seen anyone be connected in anyway to a forum like this or have the information from a forum board used against them. I can't recall any email from any of the Hush, cyber, securenym, yahoo, hotmail or any other being used against anyone.

Steroid bust's are really very rare.

But, having said that, I have to worry about some d*ck member or mod who wants to float your IP out there.

I just never wanted that much anxiety in my program so over time I eliminated any vulnerabilities I could.

JJ,
you obviously have a very good thing going and because I never peddled Mexican gear, I can't always appreciate your position, but I think the proof or support for your position as it pertains to your program is that you have been very succesful long term.

It's also a little different when you are bringing others up, I think you are obligated to give them the best security possible even though we both agree that what I advocate may be overkill and unecessary.

As I said in the last thread, how very lucky we were that we lived at a time when the internet was created and capatilized on it's infancy.

Allbeef

Well... i will admit sales of Mexican goodies is allot easier then selling Euro.
If thats what you did then i give you props. I piddled in Euro back in 95-96 until i had 3 feds... 1 postal inspector... 2 local pigs banging on my door over a pack snagged in customs. Fuck man, it wasnt even worth $300.00
Long story short.... they never pinned anything on me, dropped all charges and i have a clean record. From that point on... i moved to Mexican. Its allot easier to move gear across the Mexican border then through customs.
Especially after the faked that shit on 9/11 that allowed them to fuck anything coming from overseas.... (yeah i said staged it).

Now... i can honestly say that i had a partner (i am sure you know who) that got popped in 2002 and the feds MADE him give up the password to his hushmail account. Not the account that his customers used... but the account that showed he ordered from China.
Other then that i have never seen and LE use anything like IP addys... emails ect in court on a steroid charge.
Like you said... Roid bust are very rare. It seems like they come in waves... every year. Then... for a while you hear nothing.
Wonder why? Election times? Probably.
I do know that allot of steroid busts occur because the dumb ass who was selling them also sold rec drugs.
Here is the general rule... if i am JJ .. the bigtime steroid deal and they have a chance to spend money on busting me but... i only sell Anabolics then... they will 99% of the time put there time and money toward going after the other dealer who sells rec drugs also.
It makes since... it looks better for them in the papers/media AND... (a big and here) it gets the media tying STEROIDS with REC drugs... making STEROIDS look 10xs worse then they are.
Its all about making us look like we are WORTH the time and money they spend busting us. If we just "wanted to look good" in the public eye then they couldnt justify spending all there wasted money and time busting us.
Saying... we do crack and meth and steroids makes us look like scum.
Fucking ass holes.
We are NOT criminals. We are regular people who want to better our bodies or self esteem.
Bro i am not going to lie.. when i was in highschool i was a lard ass. I couldnt get a piece of pussy if i paid for it. I wasnt popular... i wasnt strong. I played football but i was basically the fucking tackle dummy.
I lifted... i dieted.. i did everything the magazines said i should... still i never changed. When i turned 21 (my father actually helped me find a doctor who would prescribe them to me... he played golf him) i started taking anabolics. I NEVER abused them and i NEVER had one problem.
The ONLY difference i seen was my body and self esteem grow. I never went into roid rage and beat up old women.. bla bla bla.
I was just as productive in society as anyone else... but i was now a popular, pussy gettin machine. I could basically walk into any mall and pick which girl i wanted to go out with. I was JACKED and ripped and they loved it.
I was not cocky.. i didnt walk around like my shit didnt stink.. i sill dont.
Hell when i started using i weighed 179lbs (crash dieted before to loose fat) now... 14 years later i havent been below 250lbs in 6 years. I am shreeded every year at around 250lbs and i regularly move up to about 280- 285lbs in the massing season and thats staying pretty lean... but you know what? I am still the same ol JJ i was when i weighed 179. Steroids have done nothing to change me in a negative way.
Life is too short to think like that.
I respect my elders... i repected and still respect women.
Steroids changed my life. Made me popular... made women want me, look at me, talk to me... and built the hell out of my self esteem.
Now... 14 years later... I am still jacked beyond belief... i still get stared at in every store i walk... and i am still NICE, respectable and honest.
So... to make us look like crack dealers and fucking meth dealers is WRONG.
This is 100% why i do what i do. If there is anything you guys know about JJ is he does not take shit from "the man".
I do NOT do this for money. The money aint so good anymore to be honest.
I do it because i LOVE it and i believe in it.
So... to anyone who hasnt used steroids... i tell you this... i am no hypocrite. If your going to use them... please wait till your natural ability to grow is at a stand still. When you DO use them, treat them with respect and they will do the same with you. If you abuse them... they will abuse you in return.

MikeS · Dec 6, 2005

Good damn post JJ. You are the man.

One of my common sayings is - 'hey Im not going to walk around with a sign around my neck saying I USE STEROIDS. But Im not one bit ashamed about it either'. You expanded on that feeling nicely.

I think alot of busts that occur alongside rec drugs are because of the carelessness and desperation that druggies operate with. It happens because of that and the AAS just falls in their lap as an add one for more charges.
SMART juice deealers dont operate with desperation and, (that word again) GREED.

Gone1 · Dec 6, 2005

MikeS said:
Good damn post JJ. You are the man.
One of my common sayings is - 'hey Im not going to walk around with a sign around my neck saying I USE STEROIDS. But Im not one bit ashamed about it either'. You expanded on that feeling nicely.

I think alot of busts that occur alongside rec drugs are because of the carelessness and desperation that druggies operate with. It happens because of that and the AAS just falls in their lap as an add one for more charges.
SMART juice deealers dont operate with desperation and, (that word again) GREED.

I have also never been ashamed to just say i juice ... but when you get
280lbs ... stay lean and end up with 22 inch arms... its VERY obvious so if i was to tell someone i was natural i would feel like they know i am lying to there face. I dont announce it... and i dont talk about it... but i dont deny it either.. ya know?

My friends always ask me what do i tell kids... my nephews football teammates ect... I always tell them i never used until i was 21 (thats true) and to never touch them until there natural hormones level out and they are out of puberty. I cant tell them not to take them... because honestly i think a 21 year old should be able to make that choice for there selves.
They can choose to drink there livers away... drive drunk and kill there selves...but take a hormone and go to jail? Now.. thats hypocritical on the governments part. Period.

Good point about the Rec drug users being sloppy ect... If you are letting crack heads... meth heads buy from you... eventually one of those ratting bastards are going to get caught and turn your ass in. AAS users arent like that. Most do not roll over something so much less serious then a crack charge. So... when you sell meth and cocaine ect... and you sell AAS ... its the crack head that is going to bring the cops to your door... then they will find the AAS ... and OH.. how good that looks in the papers.

Btw... no Big Mike... YOU are the man!

LEX · Dec 6, 2005

great post guys , thanks

allbeef · Dec 6, 2005

It's tough running a business day to day and

not getting into using some rec drugs. I found myself using a fair amount of GHB, xanex, and ativan, and a even a little exstacy towards the end of it all for three reasons that I identified.

1. The day to day pressures that are inherent in business
2. The ability to be jacked on gear continually from the business
3. It felt good

Just another area of vulnerability that must be recognized as you have so clearly said.

Allbeef

TRYN2 · Dec 6, 2005

If cash money was sent through post office and a package was sent under a fake name no sig required. You tracked it and no hiccups, they delivered and you just checked your mail. I would assume you are Ok right ? I mean at that point from there on out is a different story right.....Just making sure if it came to that the bases were covered.....

Gone1 · Dec 6, 2005

allbeef said:
not getting into using some rec drugs. I found myself using a fair amount of GHB, xanex, and ativan, and a even a little exstacy towards the end of it all for three reasons that I identified.

1. The day to day pressures that are inherent in business
2. The ability to be jacked on gear continually from the business
3. It felt good

Just another area of vulnerability that must be recognized as you have so clearly said.

Allbeef

I have never in my life touched Ativan, Ghb, Exstacy,cocaine,meth,anphetamines, or any other rec drug other then Nubain, and i took some Ambien & vicoden after my motorcycle wreck.
I honest to GOD ... as God as my witness NEVER touched a drop of alcohol till my 30th birthday. I went 30 years on this earth (the hardest to not drink and fit in) without ever getting drunk or even tasting it.
My dad was always so proud of me for not drinking... i just felt like i was letting him down if i did.
Then on my 30th b-day me and my wife and best friend and his wife took a trip the the beach and i got blitzed... and NO it wasnt worth it... i thought i was going to die the next day. HANGOVER from hell!

After i wrecked my motorcycle i started taking vicoden to kill the pain... and Ambien to sleep. People talk about how addictive things are... like Nubain,coke,OC ect ... but let me tell you something... Ambien KICKED my ass when i tried to quit taking it. I have NEVER had a problem with Nubain... (i do not advocate using it as people are different and may become highly addicted to it) but the only time i take it is to help with my workouts... and it kills my food cravings when i am dieting really hard.
All this being said... i have never taken anything because of "what i do" internet wise... it has never really bothered me. I get a little nervous when shit hits close to home... but if you have had the pig feds on your porch as many times as i have... it gets old quick and the fear wears off.

I know allot of other sources who get bleeding ulcers from this job... my best friend and partner used to have them REALLY bad.
Acid reflux is all i have ever had.... and heart burn

tbolking · Dec 7, 2005

allbeef said:
not getting into using some rec drugs. I found myself using a fair amount of GHB, xanex, and ativan, and a even a little exstacy towards the end of it all for three reasons that I identified.

1. The day to day pressures that are inherent in business
2. The ability to be jacked on gear continually from the business
3. It felt good

Just another area of vulnerability that must be recognized as you have so clearly said.

Allbeef

you gotta respect this man for his honesty. not many people would have the balls to openly post something so personal like this even on the internet let alone tell someone in real ife. allbeef is a good guy and im glad there's true guys like him openly posting.