Then why do people swear it is so worthless without AAS or GH? I understand the whole "it will make you fat (especially if you eat fat in your macros during its active life)" argument, but calories and IUs can be controlled. So beyond that, what are the checks-and-balances, or what exactly is insulin stopping or blunting that prevents you from gaining substantial weight on insulin without AAS or GH?
Interested in any serious input. Not interested in parroting of old 'accepted norms'.
Thanks
PS: I know its risky. I know I could die or wind up diabetic, etc.
I don't feel it is worthless without roids. Just use less of it. The more gear you are using the more slin you can take and the more you can eat.
I used to do 2 slin days a week when cleaning out and it really helped me maintain my gains while I was off.