IGF during PCT speeds recovery of HPTA? reports of your use?

[PsyT]

does IGF during PCT speed up recovery like some claim? What is the mechanism for this? Does elevating IGF levels increase steroidogenesis somehow?

Can anybody share anecdotal reports of their own use of IGF during PCT? Did this speed up recovery relative to past PCTs without IGF?

Just curious if its worth the money to spend on top of other PCT drugs (clomid, aromasin, HCG).

 

[igffag]

my very first pct was 40mg/nolvadex a day along with 40mcg/igf daily(post workout) and igf does make me very groggy and fatiqued. Like so much I have feel asleep on the toilet at work lol(this is no joke...or maybe i'm just a lazy ass). However, I have taken it on cycle and used clomid 100/100/50/50 for pct and actually had pretty much the same end results. My opinion, just save the igf for when ur at the peak of ur cycle and use it then

 

[DatBtrue]

does IGF during PCT speed up recovery like some claim? What is the mechanism for this? Does elevating IGF levels increase steroidogenesis somehow?

Insulin-Like Growth Factor I Increases Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH) Content and Gonadotropin-Releasing Hormone-Stimulated FSH Release from Coho Salmon Pituitary Cells In Vitro, Dianne M. Baker, etal., Biology of Reproduction September 1, 2000 vol. 63 no. 3 865-871

Can anybody share anecdotal reports of their own use of IGF during PCT? Did this speed up recovery relative to past PCTs without IGF?

Anecdotally it works well for long cycle recovery (i.e. 6 months); after use of nandrolones, trenbolone and suppressive cycles.

Just curious if its worth the money to spend on top of other PCT drugs (clomid, aromasin, HCG).

If you need it. It is just one vial dosed ED for 3 weeks from day 1 of PCT.

Insulin helps as well in conjunction w/ "serum insulin had consistently an inverse relation with the levels of circulating SHBG. No relation was found between IGF-I and SHBG levels." - Comparative effects of GH, IGF-I and insulin on serum sex hormone binding globulin, Gafny, M : Silbergeld. Clin-Endocrinol-(Oxf). 1994 Aug; 41(2): 169-75

The GHRH/GHRPs have a solid effect as well.

 

[PsyT]

thanks for the links to studies Dat! You da man! what about combining GHRP6/CJC and IGF?

 

[DatBtrue]

thanks for the links to studies Dat! You da man! what about combining GHRP6/CJC and IGF?

I would do it in PCT.

I have used IGF-1 LR3 in PCT after long cycles. Once many months after a PCT was finished that did not include IGF-1 I was not recovered from use of trenbolone late in the cycle. So I did a standalone course of IGF-1 LR3 and felt restored.

Anecdotally there is more too it then the studies reveal.

 

[Bobaslaw]

does IGF during PCT speed up recovery like some claim? What is the mechanism for this? Does elevating IGF levels increase steroidogenesis somehow?

Can anybody share anecdotal reports of their own use of IGF during PCT? Did this speed up recovery relative to past PCTs without IGF?

Just curious if its worth the money to spend on top of other PCT drugs (clomid, aromasin, HCG).

I definitely had much quicker recovery in PCT with IGF1 and would always consider including it as a staple.

Both in vivo and in vitro studies, IGF-I has been shown to increased LH/hCG receptors and the steroidogenic response to both LH and/or hCG, as it plays a significant role in testicular function. PCT will only benefit from this during a time when endogenous LH production is low and ramping up, as well as the gradual increase in leydig sensitivity.

Here is one good snippet:

 

[cmansr]

Hey DatbTrue & Bobaslaw- great info.

Can you share your dosing schedules for IGF you used during PCT?

Thanks

 

[DatBtrue]

Hey DatbTrue & Bobaslaw- great info.

Can you share your dosing schedules for IGF you used during PCT?

Thanks

Take a vial and dose ED for 3 weeks.

Definitely great info from Bob. That is one of 1000 reasons why he mods my board.

 

[EDED]

tried slin for PCT with cjc/ghrp6 after talking to someone and worked great.

save money and try slin if you want.

 

[DatBtrue]

tried slin for PCT with cjc/ghrp6 after talking to someone and worked great.

save money and try slin if you want.

Yep but people do what they WANT to do and look only for justifications to support their own notions. NOONE really wants the best way.

Insulin Enhancement Of Luteinizing Hormone And Follicle-Stimulating Hormone Release By Cultured Pituitary Cells, Eli Y. Adashi, Endocrinology Vol. 108, No. 4 1441-1449

 

[PsyT]

i dont know much about insulin...i am leery of experimenting with that though for some reason (well for good reason since it can kill you if you fuck up).

It IS much cheaper than IGF though isn't it

DAT, would you say IGF + CJC/GHRP6 would work AS WELL as insulin + CJC/GHRP6? Or would the latter work better?

 

[joebig]

i dont know much about insulin...i am leery of experimenting with that though for some reason (well for good reason since it can kill you if you fuck up).

It IS much cheaper than IGF though isn't it

DAT, would you say IGF + CJC/GHRP6 would work AS WELL as insulin + CJC/GHRP6? Or would the latter work better?

It all depends on your diet.

 

[EDED]

i dont know much about insulin...i am leery of experimenting with that though for some reason (well for good reason since it can kill you if you fuck up).

It IS much cheaper than IGF though isn't it

DAT, would you say IGF + CJC/GHRP6 would work AS WELL as insulin + CJC/GHRP6? Or would the latter work better?

i am EDED not dat, but want to share my opinion

do not do insulin if you dont feel comfortable lets not add a stress factor during an already stress period of PCT,,,do what you make you feel goooood

try igf/cjc/ghrp6 then later on your life when you feel comfortable with slin try it then and compare

goodluck bro

 

[EDED]

It all depends on your diet.

wtf?

diet for.....GNRH release and better recovery for PCT?

or are you talking about looking CUT BIG AND VASCULAR BLAHAAA

cuz this is about PCT and using either igf or slin