Igtropin / Groprep and solvents

diskey · Oct 26, 2006

I'm about to do my first cycle of IGF-1 LR3

I'm thinking about following the Dave palumbo protocol with 11mcg ED.
So that would make 3 cyclecs of 30days with 2 weeks off between cycles. So I need to get 1mg IGF-1 LR3 to last for a total of 4 months. Palumbo in the article recommands mix it with AA solution and freeze it, then defrost and add BA to keep it stable in the fridge for 30 days.

With the cycle I thougt about running 10mcg for 30 days. If that dosen't yell any results I use 20mcg for 30 days for the next cycle, instead of 2 more cycles of 30days at 10mcg.

I have access to Igtropin anf Gropreps's IGF. Have to pay about 150$ more for Groprep because of different sources. Source says Gropprep comes premixed in 1ml BA/AA solution. Perhaps will be difficult to split in 10mcg doses. Source of Groprep says the 1ml premixed will stay stable for up to one year in the fridge. Not sure which to choose. Haven't found any info on how long Igtropin in powder or mixed form will stay stable in the fridge/freezer.

if I use Igtropin and mix one amp 100mcg with a 1ml AA solution will that stay stable in the firdge for 10 days? And if I keep the whole kit in the fridge not mixed will it last for 4 months in powder form?

rAJJIN · Oct 26, 2006

Im not familiar with the Dave Palumbo protocol But that sure doesnt seem like very much.

Ive used the Igtropin and it Kicked ass I thought.... I used 50mcg 2 days on 1 day off. Ive also used a generic brand from China that came in the Individula 100Mcg vials and it worked good for me.

I tried some that came in the 1 mg vial with special solution from a Place
called T** it it didnt do Jack shit for me.... So personaly Im a little leary
Of the 1mg vials with special mixing solutions. I started with 50 on it, Nothing at all...eventulay Bumped it up to 80 mcg per day and still absoloutley no results from it... Im certain it was fake or Maybe degarded to the point it was useless..... So that experience Left a sour taste in my mouth with 1mg vials.... Another thing I noticed right away when I got it was I Put the Vials with 1mg powder right beside One of my Chinese generics that were supposdly 1/10th of that (100mcg vial) And The appeared to me that they had the same Exact amount of "powder" in them

When I asked around why this is I was told it such a small amount you cant tell by the naked eye a differance in 100mcg and 1mg...

My simple mind told me that 1mg should have been 10 x aas Much as what was in the 100mcg Vials. I never understood that

My personal prefferance that Ive had goodluck with is the Small Vials Mixed with water Just like you would hgh.
Now I know there are a few guys that Know a LOT more then me about
The Igf-lr3 So Id Listen to them and the Guys Like Edge250 who Have a lot more experience and knowledge with it and About it.

zephyr22 · Oct 26, 2006

Yup.....

I think I know the generics you speak of Rajjin. I used some as welll If im not mistaken who knows could be diff brand. Anyway I like the idea of having it not premixed. The reason is its fragility is too much too risk. Hell mixing the shit should be a gentle drop of your dilluting agent gently dripped in on the side of the vial the gently and slowly swirling the bottle until all lypholised powder is dissolved. So you see you know what it has went through. All the premixed stuff you just dont know. No offense to anyone on here who has it for research purposes. I know if the source is good than you know its good. It comes down to loyalty and knowing the person supplying with it is a good person. I loved the generic I saw veins etc..pumps that have never seen before in my quads. It was kinda freaky though. I felt like a science project because heck the med community that I work for has no clue what IGF-1lr3 is. They know of somatomedins which comprimises all the growth factors in the body but the science is so new they dont know shit about it. Pretty excited neat stuff though. Later.

diskey · Oct 26, 2006

ok thx for the reply.

I'm leaning towards Igtropin, I know there are a lot of counterfeits of this product, but my source has allways been safe. 10mcg isn't much but I'm willing to try it for my first cycle. The logic behind it is that the body produces something like 1mcg IGF on daily basis. So 10-20mcg would be plenty anyway, and if you inject more (say 50mcg) the receptors will downregulate because of the shock amount and therefore more igf is needed to give the same effect as a smaller dose.

But to shorten down my question all I need to know is:

will one Igtropin 100mcg vial mixed with 1ml 100mn AA solution (vinegar and water) stay stable in the fridge for 10 days?

And will the 100mcg amps (unmixed) in the kit stay stable for 4 months in the fridge?

block · Oct 26, 2006

why dont you just use one of the 3 com on this board ibe peo p chem o

rAJJIN · Oct 26, 2006

diskey said:
ok thx for the reply.

I'm leaning towards Igtropin, I know there are a lot of counterfeits of this product, but my source has allways been safe. 10mcg isn't much but I'm willing to try it for my first cycle. The logic behind it is that the body produces something like 1mcg IGF on daily basis. So 10-20mcg would be plenty anyway, and if you inject more (say 50mcg) the receptors will downregulate because of the shock amount and therefore more igf is needed to give the same effect as a smaller dose.

But to shorten down my question all I need to know is:

will one Igtropin 100mcg vial mixed with 1ml 100mn AA solution (vinegar and water) stay stable in the fridge for 10 days?

And will the 100mcg amps (unmixed) in the kit stay stable for 4 months in the fridge?

The way your going to run it (if it were me) Id probably Go with Chemone.
I think there a good honest company and it comes with all the special mixing solution youll need. Im actually going to pick up a few Anti-E products from them myself here real soon. Im sure IBE and ProP are good as well, Im not personaly as familiar with them though.

The thing is with the Igtropin you have to use it up in 24 hrs after mixing
if you use the water that comes with it.... OR youll have to do like you said figure out the special soultion and try it that route....

Like I said Edge250 from here Has a Lot of experience as well as others.
Id look up some of there threads and see what they were using.
My experiences are Real limited compared to some of the guys here.
Goodluck though!

Massive G · Oct 27, 2006

Call me stupid but I don't think anyone takes enough IGF-1 to get actual effects from it based on the human dosing in the INCRELEX insert, it recommends 40-80 mcgs PER KG given twice per day to growth defecient children.

I ain't gonna be the guinea pig for that one.

dirkmoneyshot · Oct 27, 2006

Wow thats only about 5k / day---I'll get right on that

diskey · Oct 27, 2006

little difficult to buy from boardsponsors when I live in Norway with very strict Customs..

KillerStack · Oct 27, 2006

Massive G said:
Call me stupid but I don't think anyone takes enough IGF-1 to get actual effects from it based on the human dosing in the INCRELEX insert, it recommends 40-80 mcgs PER KG given twice per day to growth defecient children.

I ain't gonna be the guinea pig for that one.

I checked the Increlex and it's just straight igf-1 is it not? The trials with igf-1in humans have been in the milligram range but can't be compared to the lr3 version, right?

I'm a little wary about the ones claiming to have Gropep igf-1 also. I could be wrong but isn't it WAY more expensive that what it's sold on the black market for? I've seen some emails from gropep where they swear none of their igf finds its way on to the black market, that the distribution is extremely controlled. Thoughts?

Gavin Kane · Oct 27, 2006

KillerStack said:
I checked the Increlex and it's just straight igf-1 is it not? The trials with igf-1in humans have been in the milligram range but can't be compared to the lr3 version, right?

I'm a little wary about the ones claiming to have Gropep igf-1 also. I could be wrong but isn't it WAY more expensive that what it's sold on the black market for? I've seen some emails from gropep where they swear none of their igf finds its way on to the black market, that the distribution is extremely controlled. Thoughts?

If you have a clinical research license or University PO you can purchase as much IGF from GroPep as you want. I know this for a fact, because I contacted them for fun when I was teaching at a major So Cal University.

Massive G · Oct 27, 2006

KillerStack said:
I checked the Increlex and it's just straight igf-1 is it not? The trials with igf-1in humans have been in the milligram range but can't be compared to the lr3 version, right?

I'm a little wary about the ones claiming to have Gropep igf-1 also. I could be wrong but isn't it WAY more expensive that what it's sold on the black market for? I've seen some emails from gropep where they swear none of their igf finds its way on to the black market, that the distribution is extremely controlled. Thoughts?

It says rhIGF-1, L3 or not that's still a helluva dose LOL.
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The recommended starting dose of Increlex is 0.04 to 0.08 mg/kg twice daily by subcutaneous injection. If well-tolerated for at least one week, the dose may be increased by 0.04 mg/kg per dose, to the maximum dose of 0.12 mg/kg given twice daily. Doses greater than 0.12 mg/kg given twice daily have not been evaluated in children with primary IGFD and due to potential hypoglycemic effects should not be used. Increlex must be stored in the refrigerator (Tercica, Inc., 2005)."
some of the kids were on this stuff for 3 years!
Damn.

g32 · Oct 28, 2006

the way u would split it up in 10mcg doses is, first mix your igf with the aa solution then fill you slin pins with 10mcg each and freeze them . when you ready to use them take one out at a time wait till it thaws and inject .