Justin Harris...Trop.

[lucian]

found this thread by justin harris(trop).
what do you guys think about the post contest rebound?
yates used to say its when he put on the most muscle all year.

I don't believe in force feeding, especially force feeding junk.
If you're dieting, your mind is telling you how much you want to eat, but you'll feel more sane when the show is over.

I typically recommend clients go back into a good, clean, high calorie diet after a show for about 4 weeks. During this time insulin sensitivity is high, bodyfat is low, and hunger is VERY high.
This essentially means you're in an optimal environment for growth through proper eating.

After about 4 weeks of this approach, I will have people diet down for a bit, and then go into their normal offseason approach after the diet.

By this time, they will be quite lean from the diet, and much larger than if they had started their offseason work after the show.


also found this......its so true i hear guys at 240 saying they will compete at 230 and they are big fat butteralls, of course they find a reson to not compete every time!!

Sticking to a diet, and not worrying about being "big," or what you weigh.

The reason most local competitors don't get into shape is because they get too fat in the offseason, trying to look big, and because they're unrealistic about how big they actually are.

Ronnie Coleman won his first Olympia at 245lbs....but you have local guys thinking they'll compete at 245lbs. If anyone doing a state show thinks they're as big as Ronnie, they're only hurting themselves.

It takes dilligence and total commitment to get in shape. Many people don't possess those attributes in enough quantity to get in true contest shape.

lucian

 

[thundergod]

there is something to the post contest rebound. My wife recently competed in 2 different shows and was thinking about doing a 3rd which was 12 weeks after the last show. Her cotest prep guy told her to go back to her fat/protein diet until she is 8 weeks out and then he will see what needs to be done. She has put on about 20lbs since the last show and still very lean. Not in contest shape, but she is still very lean and 20lbs heavier.

 

[W8killa]

steroids always work best when you are in a catabolic state i.e. right after starving yourself for weeks for a contest.

 

[km2000]

steroids always work best when you are in a catabolic state i.e. right after starving yourself for weeks for a contest.

???????

steroids work best in a catabolic state? are you kidding me?
catabolic means musle wasting.......

i will correct you, steroids work best when your in an ANABOLIC state!

after a show your body is rested and ready to grow, it is in an anabolic state not catabolic.....

 

[Massive G]

there is something to the post contest rebound. My wife recently competed in 2 different shows and was thinking about doing a 3rd which was 12 weeks after the last show. Her cotest prep guy told her to go back to her fat/protein diet until she is 8 weeks out and then he will see what needs to be done. She has put on about 20lbs since the last show and still very lean. Not in contest shape, but she is still very lean and 20lbs heavier.

Looking back one of my biggest mistakes in this game was not competing enough, and too much bulking.
I was never big enough (in my mind) and failed to really diet down for the last few years believing I would not maximally gain mass any other way-feeling dieting would "interupt" my growth process. Looking back I saw a couple of guys put on some tremendous mass in 2-3 years by dieting for shows and experiencing that rebound and seen it 100's of times on the boards. Now I am not a big believer in doing short cutting or bulking cycles, one should probably diet for 12 -16 weeks and then grow for another 12 or more and then maybe diet again. Seen some middle weights go into the heavies this way.
I do caution those to take it easy after the show, as I see many people so bloated their eyeballs float and ankles swell. eat a lot more but don't turn the post contest binge into a food orgasmic laden shit eating fest of sweets and junk.

 

[M21SL]

I agree with Troponin here for sure. I just competed about a month ago. Since then I have kept my diet clean, while increasing my calorie intake substantially. In the last 4 weeks or so I have made some of the best and quickest gains (strength wise) that I ever have. Im not taking anything right now except creatine and pct stuff from my contest prep supps. Im now heavier than I was when i started dieting for my show, and probably just as lean or leaner.

I also am a fan of staying relatively lean year round. I feel it makes the dieting process easier, as you dont have to drop a huge amount of weight. Also I like to be able to kind of track how much lean mass gains Im actually making through the offseason, which I find much easier to do when Im somewhat lean than when I am really bulked up. Just my .02. Everyone has different opinions and preferences tho. I think it works differently for everyone.

Either way I have to say Justin Harris is brilliant. His dvd is well worth the money.

 

[kidstuff]

lucian,

where do you get these "golden nuggets" of imformation from trop?

i love reading stuff from him, and doggcrapp and a few others, he's one of the few voices of clarity in the midsts of a lot of crap prepetuated online.

 

[lucian]

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my pal dina alsabah invited me to getbig.com where she mods at.
most of the time its a lot of bashing so i dont go there but sometimes you get stuff like this from trop.
check getbig.com
lucian

 

[kidstuff]

my pal dina alsabah invited me to getbig.com where she mods at.
most of the time its a lot of bashing so i dont go there but sometimes you get stuff like this from trop.
check getbig.com
lucian

yeah, i'm familiar with getbig..... as you said most of what goes on there is totally childish.

I do actually already read posts from user "gh15" over there. didn't know trop posted there.

thanks bud.

 

[lucian]

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yeah trop is there, so are some other good guys, you just gotta weed through the crap. i never post there.
its not worth the typing time.
lucian

 

[hardkor]

w/ or w/out GEAR??

I'm sure 100% of BB's will concur that the best time to grow is POST-CONTEST.

But are you guys (Trop included) talking about the rebound WITH or WITHOUT gear???? Being that one is on a lot of toxic gear (tren, anavar, halos, winny, etc) many weeks up to a show, i would imagine that he/she SHOULD get off and clean out (PCT) the day after the show.

 

[M21SL]

I'm sure 100% of BB's will concur that the best time to grow is POST-CONTEST.

But are you guys (Trop included) talking about the rebound WITH or WITHOUT gear???? Being that one is on a lot of toxic gear (tren, anavar, halos, winny, etc) many weeks up to a show, i would imagine that he/she SHOULD get off and clean out (PCT) the day after the show.

I have been making good gains off gear during pct from my contest cycle. I know a lot of people like to run some gear after the show to maximize that anabolic window, but I chose not to, and am still making good gains. I think either way you go, youre going to gain post contest.

 

[km2000]

I'm sure 100% of BB's will concur that the best time to grow is POST-CONTEST.

But are you guys (Trop included) talking about the rebound WITH or WITHOUT gear???? Being that one is on a lot of toxic gear (tren, anavar, halos, winny, etc) many weeks up to a show, i would imagine that he/she SHOULD get off and clean out (PCT) the day after the show.

i always gwt off the gear right after a show... the rebound effect will take place with or with out gear... my thinking is that your body is resting for the first time in a while, i will train 1 on 1 off for about 3-4 months after a show (give or take a month) i get stronger just from the extra time off.... i usually dont force feed during this time.... i will eat 3-5 meals a day and stop taking the majority of my supps... i think a lot of folks dont realize most supps need to be cycled as well.... i train with compound movements only and take plenty of rest inbetween sets...

i will gear up for about 4 months out of the year leading up to a show.. the rest of the year nothing... your body will respond like the first time you took a cycle and you will dramatically reduce the strain of side effects on your body...

 

[TooPowerful4u]

There is a method called strategic deconditioning. Im not sure how solid it is. It is done by overtraining and depleting your body severly for 2 weeks before cycle. Take 3 days off so your body is fresh then BAM hit it with gear and food and blow up. My only concern would be the muscle you would lose during the 2 weeks of deconditioning. I do see how it would give a huge rebound though.

I am about to try something LIKE this. Im just going to train hard and eat good, but only healthy and keep my calories low. Kind of maintenance levels and also do cardio and try to lean out. My last 2 weeks will be all volume work and lower my calories and depleate my glycogen stores and leave them depleted for a week. Then.. see what happens...

 

[kidstuff]

jay cutler actually talks about this in his "one step closer video"

he says right after a contest is the best time to grow, so he was back to training hard and heavy the tuesday after the olympia. said yates used to do it this way too.

 

[G.E.R.M]

There is a method called strategic deconditioning. Im not sure how solid it is. It is done by overtraining and depleting your body severly for 2 weeks before cycle. Take 3 days off so your body is fresh then BAM hit it with gear and food and blow up. My only concern would be the muscle you would lose during the 2 weeks of deconditioning. I do see how it would give a huge rebound though.

I am about to try something LIKE this. Im just going to train hard and eat good, but only healthy and keep my calories low. Kind of maintenance levels and also do cardio and try to lean out. My last 2 weeks will be all volume work and lower my calories and depleate my glycogen stores and leave them depleted for a week. Then.. see what happens...

i do this before every cycle...

i overtrain and restrict food for about 30 days before a cycle then take a week off, frontload and train normally..

i do it over 30 days only cause i cant drive myself into the ground in 2 weeks without getting sick.

 

[Massive G]

Be careful there is a risk to injury if you guys take this too far too fast.
It's almost similar to the reason I think there are more muscle tears these days because of the extreme cellular hydration and expansion people sometimes force their bodies with GH and slin and the other pump drug IGF and last but not least androgenic AAS.

 

[xcelbeyond]

Big A has ALWAYS been a strong proponent of this! I followed it after my last contest (clean) and made tremendous gains. Anyone that's "serious should consider doing this rather than saying they deserve the opportunity to pig out.