Michael Moore....

[bigbadasian]

|---[\\\]>---------- Just saw his new movie Farenheit 9/11 and it was very good. some will say 'one sided' but there was A LOT of info that i didn't know about the war and about Bush's presidentcy, like how his brother was the gov. of the ever famous ballot state FL. and his cousin was head of the ballot commitee that counted the ballots. also, did you guys know that his family has been tied (buisiness/money/oil) wise with the BinLaden family? The USA actually sent like 15 members of the Bin Laden family OUT of the USA the day after 9/11 occured even though ALL planes were supposed to be grounded? They let them ALL go without questioning them first? I dont know man, this movie really makes you think.

 

[NuTsOe]

i have to say michael moore makes a hell of a documentary

 

[Johnny Bravo]

M. Moore

Is a fat, left wing, loon who will do whatever it takes to discredit GW. His movie is full of flaws and half truths, and it has been proven. Nothing more than left wing propaganda to sway the american people against the war, and military.

 

[tattoojr]

Micheal Moore is one big Anti -American joke IMO. J.R.

 

[Good Shape]

talentless

most talentless millionaire... goes to show you only have to be one thing to make money.....controversial

 

[tbonus]

I am not a big fan of the guy, but speaking out against your government doesn't make you anti-American.

 

[jawbreakerkid]

you can't take this movie seriosuly...it's created by someone who is a staunch democrat and wants nothing more than for Bush to be out of office. The bottom line is, if you knew everything about every presidency there are certain things that would open your eyes, but with today's media, nothing is sacred. There are things we should not know for our own benefit. Reminds me of the saying, the only thing worse than not knowing is knowing.

 

[Ethan James]

Re: M. Moore

Is a fat, left wing, loon who will do whatever it takes to discredit GW. His movie is full of flaws and half truths, and it has been proven. Nothing more than left wing propaganda to sway the american people against the war, and military.

Amen.

Tbonus, I agree, speaking against a government or one of it's officials does not make you anti-American. I do believe, however, that making up lies and telling half-truths about elected officials does.

I don't care how fat or how rich Michael Moore is, he is an ass for reasons beyond that. I don't LOVE everything about GWB, but I do wholeheartedly believe he is keeping our country a safe place. I also firmly believe that if a democrat (especially as one as liberal as John Kerry) is put back in office, that before the end of 2005 we will experience another attack on our nation.

 

[amenselah]

Re: M. Moore

Is a fat, left wing, loon who will do whatever it takes to discredit GW. His movie is full of flaws and half truths, and it has been proven. Nothing more than left wing propaganda to sway the american people against the war, and military.

all the examples that bigbadasian wrote are right on the money ..
no lies..
I'm a Cuban American from South Florida and it was here that he( Bush) stole the Presidency with the help of his brother and the Cuban right..those are facts no lies...

 

[Ethan James]

Re: Re: M. Moore

all the examples that bigbadasian wrote are right on the money ..
no lies..
I'm a Cuban American from South Florida and it was here that he( Bush) stole the Presidency with the help of his brother and the Cuban right..those are facts no lies...

Where exactly is the proof of this? Because the liberals say so? I am also from South Florida and I seem to remember Gore conceding the election after the second recount.

Majority of liberals are appeasers and moral relativists. There is ALWAYS an excuse. Whether it was GWB "stole" the election or excusing Saddam's EVIL behavior due to a bad childhood.

If GWB had in fact "stolen" the election, he would not be president today. It was a close election and the voting S FL was flawed. They could have kept recounting the votes until their fingers fell off and both candidates knew it. Gore was the first to get fed up and give in.

 

[C_Horse]

F-911

I haven't seen it. Have seen plenty of clips, read detailed reviews, and seen MM on the tube since.

An important thing to keep in mind is that one could make an equally disturbing movie about any President.

Take the seven minutes of book reading and waffling that F911 makes such a big deal of and bundle it together with what is called a poor intelligence apparatus.

Instead of Bush sitting there stunned, we could have a camera on Clinton having his dick sucked by Monica Lewinski. That was right about the same time the 911 attacks were being plotted. So maybe it would be appropriate to flash betweens scenes of a training camp in Afghanistan and Clinton getting blown for 15 minutes.

That's the sort of movie that Moore made. To view it as anything other than entertainment is giving it way to much credit.

People should keep in mind that the term "documentary" refers to a style of movie-making, not the validity of the movie itself. - CH

 

[Big Fucker]

|---[\\\]>---------- also, did you guys know that his family has been tied (buisiness/money/oil) wise with the BinLaden family? The USA actually sent like 15 members of the Bin Laden family OUT of the USA the day after 9/11 occured even though ALL planes were supposed to be grounded? They let them ALL go without questioning them first? I dont know man, this movie really makes you think.

- Those of you who don't like Michael Moore seem to discredit some of the facts based on your opinion of the man.. Can some of you comment on the above Fact about the Bin Laden family?

- Also, those who feel Bush is making this country a safe place by going after Iraq, can you explain to me your reasoning? He is spending many many more $$$ and resources on Iraq than on the serach for Bin Laden. If I remember correctly, the war was to fight terrorism, and Bin Laden led the 9/11 attacks, so were does Iraq fit in? Why not spend that money and resources to hunt Bin Laden? The war on Iraq has also stirred up alot more hatred towards our country... BTW, there were no WMD's in Iraq, so why is Iraq such a threat?

Please, no flames.

 

[Reload]

Common sense tells you the truth is somewhere in the middle. Big Fucker makes a valid question though...why are we there? To liberate them from Saddam's cruel dictatorship where he tortures and humiliates potential insurgents...sound familiar? It has now been proven that there are NO weapons of mass destruction! It all comes down to business for the rich with emphasis on a dirty little three letter word... oil! Enter Halliburton to secure Iraq's vast oil fields and their role in rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure such as roads, electrical plants, water/sewer plants, hospitals...that we destroyed? I predict that within the next 5 years, Iraq will have a Starbucks, McDonald's and Jamba Juice in every, newly built strip mall compliments of our Republican "force fed" democracy. A killing is to be made for the "Coalition of the Wealthy...ahhh, I mean willing". Just my opinion here but honestly, I'm ready for a revolution. I can't stomach either candidate as the moment. It's sad when it comes down to choosing the lesser of two evils for the top job in the country.
Now Bush pulls a fast one by signing over the new Iraqi goverment 2 days before expected...that's gonna piss off the insurgents even more. Get ready guys...it's gonna get a lot worse.
I'm dissapointed in my goverment but love America. I'm frustrated with the liberal/conservative slant to our news organizations but I value my constitutional right of freedom of speech...

 

[wolverine]

Re: Re: Michael Moore....

- Those of you who don't like Michael Moore seem to discredit some of the facts based on your opinion of the man.. Can some of you comment on the above Fact about the Bin Laden family?

Did you see bowling for columbine? Did you believe it to be truth?

Check out this website, then tell me how much you still believe in Moore's work.

**broken link removed**

now please read that, then tell me how much faith you still have in Moore's "documentaries", which he freely admitted aren't actually documentaries, but satire.

 

[Ethan James]

Re: Re: Michael Moore....

- Those of you who don't like Michael Moore seem to discredit some of the facts based on your opinion of the man.. Can some of you comment on the above Fact about the Bin Laden family?

- Also, those who feel Bush is making this country a safe place by going after Iraq, can you explain to me your reasoning? He is spending many many more $$$ and resources on Iraq than on the serach for Bin Laden. If I remember correctly, the war was to fight terrorism, and Bin Laden led the 9/11 attacks, so were does Iraq fit in? Why not spend that money and resources to hunt Bin Laden? The war on Iraq has also stirred up alot more hatred towards our country... BTW, there were no WMD's in Iraq, so why is Iraq such a threat?

Please, no flames.

I am not discrediting the man on opinion. My discredit comes from the fact that the movie is not based 100% on reality. MM uses half-statements and fancy editing to suit his agenda. That is not opinion, it is fact.

What I do not know as fact is Bush shipping bin Laden's relatives out of the country. To me, this sounds like a rumor. If indeed it is fact, I would love for someone to point me in the direction of the evidence.

My reasoning for believing that Bush is making this country safer is this:

These Islamic extremists hate us. Period. They would not hate us less or more regardless of whether we liberated Iraq or not. People just don't seem to understand this. There are not beheadings because they now hate us even more. There are beheadings because these extremists know how much it bothers us weak stomached Americans. They know that with each beheading it creates more public animosity towards a US president that is ruining their terrorist cause and just happens to be up for reelection in 3 months. They want GWB to lose. They want John Kerry to win. THey know John Kerry is a pushover. They know he will view global relations just like Clinton. While Saddam was violating aggreements made in 1991 and stockpiling armaments, instead of enforcing these agreements, Clinton lobbed over 1 missle attack into an Iraqi desert. That's it. Don't you think that further strengthened Saddam's knowledge that a democratic run US was not going to enforce the rules it just a few years earlier had implemented?

So Saddam just kept on collecting weapons as no one seemed to really care all that much... Although the WMD that were found were minimal (poisonous gas) I still believe Saddam was obtaining WMDs. And I think the question is not whether he had them, but rather "where is he hiding them" or "who is hiding them for him"...

There is also no proven link that Saddam helped bin Laden. However, there is proof that over the years bin Laden and Saddam held meetings on several occasions. And my thinking runs along the track of: why wouldn't two Islamic powers unite against a common enemy?

The Liberals have a history of being appeasers and moral relativists. They truly believe that there is an excuse for every behavior and discount the existence of true evil. They quickly forget the attrocities committed on our country on 9/11 where 3000 innocent people died.

One of the most intelligent men who ever lived was Wiston Churchill. His predesessor as prime minister was Neville Chamberlain who was an appeaser. In 1935, just before Hitler was to invade Czechoslavakia, Neville Chamberlain met with Adolf Hitler. The outcome of that meeting was an agreement that Germany and Great Brittain would never enter into battle with one another. Neville Chamberlain returned home thinking he had done justice for Great Brittain. GB would not stop Germany from their acquistions of European countries as long as they left England alone. Winston Churchill realized that someone who could exterminate almost an entire culture was pure evil. Pure evil you cannot strike a binding agreement with. It would have just been time before Hitler either attacked England or controlled so much natural resouces that they were able to financially choke out England.

I think that GWB made a wise choice in severly crippling Al-queida in Afghanistan and in liberating Iraq.

 

[Vander_V]

Yes of course

AND YOU BELEIVE EVERYTHING YOU READ AND HEAR??? THATS SOME FUNNY ASS SHIT , FOR EVERY BOOK WRITTEN ON A HUGE LIBERAL SLANT THERES A BOOK WRITTEN FOR A CONSERVITIVE, THE PROBLEM WITH MOST PEOPLE IS THEY BELIEVE WHAT THEY HEAR AND NOT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SEE, THE PRESS IS A BUNCH LIBERALS EVERYTHING YOU HEAR ON TV IS ALL COMMING FROM A LIBERAL FAR LEFT SLANT , THEY OWN THE FUCKING NETWORKS AND TALK TALK TALK A BUCNH OF PANSY ASS SHIT ,,,,,,,,,,, JUST IMAGINE IS GORE HAD BECOME PRESIDENT HONESTLY TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO LET THAT SIT IN THEN TELL ME BUSH HASNT DONE A GREAT JOB ,,, REMEMBER IT WAS FUCKING CLINTON WHO LET THIS GO ON FOR SO LONG BUSH NOW HAS TO CLEAN UP THE SHIT LEFT OVER .



YEA AND I THOUGHT STAR WARS WAS REAL AS A KID I GUESS ITS THE SAME THING LOL

AND ALL YOU PANSYS BITCHING OUT THERE WHEN OUR BOYS ARE DYING OVER THERE SO YOU CAN HAVE THE RIGHT TO BITCH BITCH BITCH , WHY DONT YOU STFU AND EXCEPT THE FACT THAT BUSH IS OUR LEADER AND PRESIDENT THE SAME WAY THOSE BOYS HAVE DONE , YOU DONT SEE THEM BITCHIN THERE PUTTING THERE LIVES ON THE LINE WITH PRIDE , AND YOUR SITTING THERE KNOCKING OUR COUNTRIES LEADER IN A TIME LIKE THIS ,, I WISH 1 US TROOP COULD HEAR YOU BITCHING AT HOME ALL WARM AND COZY WHILE HES DIGGING A FUCKING HOLE TO SLEEP IN ,,,USA THATS ALL I GOTTA SAY.

 

[LATS]

I WAS GOING TO AVOID THIS POST BUT, HERE IT GOES ANYWAY.. moore is a liar.. period.. they are still in legal action against him to take away his award for the columbine documentary.. why?? because he lied.. plain and simple.. they are many lies i could write about but, go to the link that wolverine posted and it is all there.. when he was asked about the suit.. he stated that it was his "version" of the truth...wtf.. so i can not put to much into this new movie/documentary.. he timed it so to hurt bush in the election.. plain and simple.. if you guys like fiction than just see shreik... the truth as stated above is somewhere in between.. but, it is not on the side of moore..he is a socialist and as liberal as they get.. he said in a interview that he belives that anyone making over 200,000 a year should pay 70% taxes...what a frickin' moron.. as for why we are over there.. the goverment has a a policy of regime change in iraq starting with bush sn.. he continued to fire on our planes every single day.. in direct violation of 1440 put out by the u.n... now, for those who hate bush and just want to bitch about anything he does.. remember this.. bill clinton..of all people agrees woth what bush is doing and stated that he would have gone in also, knowing what we know.. plain and simple.. we do not know all the facts.. moore certainly does not either.. one day it will come out.. but think of this.. the security council, state department, pentagon, white house, army, navy , ect all agreed that he needed to be taken out..they know much more than we do.. these conspiracy theorys never pan out in the long run.. also remember this.. the 911 commision released it report the other day.. the newspapers ran stories saying that they found no connection between saddam and al queda.. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE COMMISION SAID.. they had to come out the day after to set the record straight that saddam had direct links to al queda.. pretty sad when the newspapers can not bring themselves to admit they were wrong and the commision has to make a news conference to try and set the story straight..

 

[Ethan James]

Anyone here ever read "Deliver Us From Evil" by Sean Hannity?

 

[LATS]

oh and one other thing.. as for the b.s. that bush stole the election.. the cry of the demos and left.. news week, time, usa today, slate, wall steet journal, and many other publications went to florida after the election do do their own recount.. what was their conclusion?? that bush won fair and square.. and the majority of the papers i list are far from kind to the republican party.. YOU CAN NOT STEAL A ELECTION FORM ANYONE.. why ?? because for every republican involved there is a democrat.. how are you going to fool all those people.. the conspiracy b.s. is old and no one offers any proof of a stolen election.. they say.."well, his brother was govenor of the stste" well, look here einsteins.. his brother has nothing to do with the election commitee.. his brother wisely stayed away from it...

 

[G.E.R.M]

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i really dont care about the bin ladens he shipped out...as they have absolutely no ties to osama and that has been clearly displayed over the past 5-10yrs.

they were buz associates and they got special treatment yes. but its not like they are involved with their brother.