Mike Van Wyck assaulting Jeff Nippard?

[specter]

Another true story. When I first met my wife, her and her friends were in a club. Some guy from Greece decides to come on to one of them. She wasn't interested, so he decides to call her names and push her. 4 girls including my wife, jumped on him and beat his ass. When the police came, he was practically crying like a baby. I learned not to start fights with Romanian women. If I ever get in a fight, I will just sic my wife on them..............carry on.

My wife is the same, she is part gypsy and has 0 BS tolerance, we where in a bar and i was out takin a piss, this guy comes up behind her and grabs her ass she just spun around and kicked him so hard in the nuts dude went straight to the floor gasping for air, i came in as the doorman was helping the dude out.. also she was in a bad relationship and ended in a knife fight with her ex.

 

[EnhancedFatGrappler]

I’m not talking about anything in hindsight. Not talking about what Jeff should or could have done. There’s actually nothing he could have done, it’s not in his brain to react that way.

I’m talking about how people are wired mentally.

The aggressor and intended victim are irrelevant.
I just used Mike and Jeff as an example to illustrate the point.

And there’s no thought process in the reaction I’m describing. It’s the same as if someone tossed a baseball towards you and you reactively put your hand up to catch it.

You wouldn’t have to think about it

On the extreme end of that spectrum it verges on being a negative trait because it’s almost uncontrollable at a certain point.

I feel like I’m beating this to death and I hate that but I also felt like my point wasn’t getting across very well. It’s a difficult thing to describe- especially when I’m stoned and on the toilet because I binged on frozen blackberries/raspberries/blueberries and now paying for it.

All good my man, I'm just enjoying the entertainment in here

I love fresh berries of all kind - if only they wouldn't be so damn expensive. Imho the frozen stuff just tastes different, and so "smushy" / "gritty". Nothing like a nice pack of fresh blue berries, the right mix of sour and sweet, I could eat 2 pound of those in one sitting!

 

[SouthernMuscle]

All good my man, I'm just enjoying the entertainment in here

I love fresh berries of all kind - if only they wouldn't be so damn expensive. Imho the frozen stuff just tastes different, and so "smushy" / "gritty". Nothing like a nice pack of fresh blue berries, the right mix of sour and sweet, I could eat 2 pound of those in one sitting!

Costco has a frozen 3 berry blend that’s pretty good.
Probably ate about 5 cups dusted in stevia last night
But yeah fresh is 10x better for sure

 

[st114]

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if a persons mentality is that of someone who would have immediately, (even if they were the exact same size as jeff), jumped up off the floor and tried to beat the living hell out of mike, jeffs reaction is just a foreign concept.

then add to it the ct scan and posts etc etc, and it becomes something truly confusing


it‘s like a trans person trying to explain the benefits of why you should cut your peen off. You will most likely NEVER understand the thought process

so the confusion gets turned into talk about things that are related

Spot on

And unrelated but kind of related, people keep referring to Jeff’s size and how he could have done nothing. He’s 5’5 180lbs, which is a weight a lot of the most dangerous wrestlers, BJJ guys, and MMA guys sit at. This is why I think all men should know some basic Wrestling, grappling, and striking. Not pro level, but you’d be surprised how far the basics can go

In a parallel universe Jeff could have gotten up, faked a strike to Mike as Mike moved in, and got an easy takedown

That’s how my brain works at least

Most big guys think their size will get them through a fight, and it will for a very short amount of time, and then it can work against them. Especially Mike being relatively inflexible with a fake hip and fake shoulder, pec tear, etc

Then again Mikes into boxing and worked in security

The key is being a big flexible guy who knows how to fight, size alone won’t carry you. In BJJ and MMA sparring I’ve been rolled up by dudes who are 50-75lbs lighter than me

I would have had respect for Jeff if he had tried to fight back like I said. Maybe they get separated by gym goers. Later they can shake hands and squash the beef and have mutual respect for one another. Imagine the respect Jeff would get universally. Even if he got beat by Mike again, he would have my respect if he kept going

Instead now he has everyone and the Joey Swolls defending him like a baby and victim as he goes to the hospital to get checked out, relying on outrage of “how dare he??”

Weak and pathetic IMO

I also like how any discussion of fighting or violence gets that new age spin of “tough guy talk” to shame those discussing it. This stuff is intrinsic to Males and has been practiced and discussed for thousands of years, it’s part of our DNA. No amount of shaming about “toxic masculinity” will change that. No one said that term but that thinking is where it comes from. Thinking that anyone who discusses any of these subjects is a “wannabe tough guy” and “insecure with their masculinity”

I’ve probably posted enough on this thread but it has been fun lol

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Spot on

And unrelated but kind of related, people keep referring to Jeff’s size and how he could have done nothing. He’s 5’5 180lbs, which is a weight a lot of the most dangerous wrestlers, BJJ guys, and MMA guys sit at. This is why I think all men should know some basic Wrestling, grappling, and striking. Not pro level, but you’d be surprised how far the basics can go

In a parallel universe Jeff could have gotten up, faked a strike to Mike as Mike moved in, and got an easy takedown

That’s how my brain works at least

Most big guys think their size will get them through a fight, and it will for a very short amount of time, and then it can work against them. Especially Mike being relatively inflexible with a fake hip and fake shoulder, pec tear, etc

Then again Mikes into boxing and worked in security

The key is being a big flexible guy who knows how to fight, size alone won’t carry you. In BJJ and MMA sparring I’ve been rolled up by dudes who are 50-75lbs lighter than me

I would have had respect for Jeff if he had tried to fight back like I said. Maybe they get separated by gym goers. Later they can shake hands and squash the beef and have mutual respect for one another. Imagine the respect Jeff would get universally. Even if he got beat by Mike again, he would have my respect if he kept going

Instead now he has everyone and the Joey Swolls defending him like a baby and victim as he goes to the hospital to get checked out, relying on outrage of “how dare he??”

Weak and pathetic IMO

I also like how any discussion of fighting or violence gets that new age spin of “tough guy talk” to shame those discussing it. This stuff is intrinsic to Males and has been practiced and discussed for thousands of years, it’s part of our DNA. No amount of shaming about “toxic masculinity” will change that. No one said that term but that thinking is where it comes from. Thinking that anyone who discusses any of these subjects is a “wannabe tough guy” and “insecure with their masculinity”

I’ve probably posted enough on this thread but it has been fun lol

Agree

 

[buck]

I find that society in general trains people to not take care of themselves whether it is physically, emotionally or financial etc. They are trained to rely on others for support. So if a person has not built on previous experiences when things happen they do not know what to do. Life is a life long learning process from acquired previous experiences. Some try to learn and grow and some just stare into the headlights as it is coming at them. Calling the po-po may well be the best solution or it may be the only option some people have. Some people have other choices they can make. Seems Jeff has zero fighting experience so his only option would have been to flail away at Mike hoping for a lucky strike. But more likley he would have gotten more injured. The cops were his best choice for getting even with Mike as i see it in the real world.

 

[Liter O' Test]

I would have had respect for Jeff if he had tried to fight back like I said. Maybe they get separated by gym goers. Later they can shake hands and squash the beef and have mutual respect for one another. Imagine the respect Jeff would get universally. Even if he got beat by Mike again, he would have my respect if he kept going

Instead now he has everyone and the Joey Swolls defending him like a baby and victim as he goes to the hospital to get checked out, relying on outrage of “how dare he??”

Weak and pathetic IMO

I also like how any discussion of fighting or violence gets that new age spin of “tough guy talk” to shame those discussing it. This stuff is intrinsic to Males and has been practiced and discussed for thousands of years, it’s part of our DNA. No amount of shaming about “toxic masculinity” will change that. No one said that term but that thinking is where it comes from. Thinking that anyone who discusses any of these subjects is a “wannabe tough guy” and “insecure with their masculinity”

I’ve probably posted enough on this thread but it has been fun lol

Respectfully I disagree, there was no "beef", these aren't two guys that have had a problem with each other and needed to settle it as men, its just one guy acting irrationally. It wasn't a "lets go outside" situation. I don't see how there could be any mutual respect afterwards because it was all in Mikes head. Dude attacked him out of nowhere.

Its like having a nice night out and some guy who lost all his chips wants to take it out on you over a slight at him you didn't even know you made.
Then what? Jeff is a millionaire, he's going to "crash out" to gain street cred and risk his health when all it would do would be validate mikes feelings and people could call it a "Fight" more than they already do. This is why people hire guys like @Blueballs , so they don't have to handle every hater.

Also he would probably be banned from the gym. Just the way things seem to work nowadays, no nuance, very PC.

----End of response to @st114----


In my opinion, what mike did wasn't masculine, it was emotional. A man talks "man to man", if an agreement can't be made or the offense was particularly egregious, it leads to squaring up, or going outside.

This is why "duels" existed, both in sword and pistol variations since at least the 14th century.

This honor code is a part of civilization , it's why people agree to fight outside bars, why kids meet up after school with a crowd circled around them and why I don't hit a man sitting down.

Humans didn't advance this far by surprise attacking members of their community in public.

This ain't prison and if someone wants to live lawlessly, they should live in a less civilized country where other people think the same way.

Its easy to be a "tough guy" when everyone else is law abiding.

Its nice to live in places where you don't have to have bars on your windows and the legal system punishes people for inflicting their will upon others.

HOWEVER

I definitely agree with the people that say there is a problem with guys doing passive aggressive/instigative shit and then smiling in your face, hiding behind the law/venue, there should be a way to have recourse, but this isn't one of those situations. I agree the overton window has shifted very far, very quickly, and some men are too comfortable being genuinely disrespectful. I've seen young guys talk/act crazy to eachother and it seems like violence never even crossed their minds. Society IS soft, people do have to rely on the government for everything or else face retribution. We lose a lot of cultural and masculine influence when everything has to be filtered through legalese and through organizations/businesses/schools etc.

this is a very nuanced topic and why there is 24 pages. Thank you for coming to my TED talk

 

[buck]

Be awhile before this beats Sam's thread. Anyone know what the record is for pages?

 

[3BILLS]

Be awhile before this beats Sam's thread. Anyone know what the record is for pages?

Sam who?

 

[3BILLS]

I’m not talking about anything in hindsight. Not talking about what Jeff should or could have done. There’s actually nothing he could have done, it’s not in his brain to react that way.

I’m talking about how people are wired mentally.

The aggressor and intended victim are irrelevant.
I just used Mike and Jeff as an example to illustrate the point.

And there’s no thought process in the reaction I’m describing. It’s the same as if someone tossed a baseball towards you and you reactively put your hand up to catch it.

You wouldn’t have to think about it

On the extreme end of that spectrum it verges on being a negative trait because it’s almost uncontrollable at a certain point.

I feel like I’m beating this to death and I hate that but I also felt like my point wasn’t getting across very well. It’s a difficult thing to describe- especially when I’m stoned and on the toilet because I binged on frozen blackberries/raspberries/blueberries and now paying for it.

You can't binge on fruit bro... what is this weight watchers

 

[Samson250]

Be awhile before this beats Sam's thread. Anyone know what the record is for pages?

Official Ass thread would be hard to beat

 

[buck]

Official Ass thread would be hard to beat

True. Butt that is probably a different category.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

You can't binge on fruit bro... what is this weight watchers

well i know you can’t lol

of course i meant binge as in ate wayyyy too much in one sitting

someone told me, and it was sound advice, to take my mk677 before bed to miss the hunger buuuut i woke up in the middle of the night and was nonstop eating for a couple hours

 

[Samson250]

well i know you can’t lol

of course i meant binge as in ate wayyyy too much in one sitting

someone told me, and it was sound advice, to take my mk677 before bed to miss the hunger buuuut i woke up in the middle of the night and was nonstop eating for a couple hours

You’re probably at a point where you aren’t bothered by the “munchies” anymore are you?

 

[SouthernMuscle]

You’re probably at a point where you aren’t bothered by the “munchies” anymore are you?

For devils lettuce? Not at a regular use dose, no

 

[st114]

Respectfully I disagree, there was no "beef", these aren't two guys that have had a problem with each other and needed to settle it as men, its just one guy acting irrationally. It wasn't a "lets go outside" situation. I don't see how there could be any mutual respect afterwards because it was all in Mikes head. Dude attacked him out of nowhere.

Its like having a nice night out and some guy who lost all his chips wants to take it out on you over a slight at him you didn't even know you made.
Then what? Jeff is a millionaire, he's going to "crash out" to gain street cred and risk his health when all it would do would be validate mikes feelings and people could call it a "Fight" more than they already do. This is why people hire guys like @Blueballs , so they don't have to handle every hater.

Also he would probably be banned from the gym. Just the way things seem to work nowadays, no nuance, very PC.

They’ve been having beef for about 6 months now, back and forth on IG and YouTube. Mike never named Jeff, but Jeff has been naming Mike. Mike didn’t want to be a part of his content, and Jeff clearly confronted him by laughing in his face when he said “what’s up” to him, and then having his camera man film Mike as he confronts him saying “What did you mean by that?”
It’s not like he was attacked out of nowhere, which is what some people seem to think

 

[control]

Spot on

And unrelated but kind of related, people keep referring to Jeff’s size and how he could have done nothing. He’s 5’5 180lbs, which is a weight a lot of the most dangerous wrestlers, BJJ guys, and MMA guys sit at. This is why I think all men should know some basic Wrestling, grappling, and striking. Not pro level, but you’d be surprised how far the basics can go

In a parallel universe Jeff could have gotten up, faked a strike to Mike as Mike moved in, and got an easy takedown

That’s how my brain works at least

Most big guys think their size will get them through a fight, and it will for a very short amount of time, and then it can work against them. Especially Mike being relatively inflexible with a fake hip and fake shoulder, pec tear, etc

Then again Mikes into boxing and worked in security

The key is being a big flexible guy who knows how to fight, size alone won’t carry you. In BJJ and MMA sparring I’ve been rolled up by dudes who are 50-75lbs lighter than me

I would have had respect for Jeff if he had tried to fight back like I said. Maybe they get separated by gym goers. Later they can shake hands and squash the beef and have mutual respect for one another. Imagine the respect Jeff would get universally. Even if he got beat by Mike again, he would have my respect if he kept going

Instead now he has everyone and the Joey Swolls defending him like a baby and victim as he goes to the hospital to get checked out, relying on outrage of “how dare he??”

Weak and pathetic IMO

I also like how any discussion of fighting or violence gets that new age spin of “tough guy talk” to shame those discussing it. This stuff is intrinsic to Males and has been practiced and discussed for thousands of years, it’s part of our DNA. No amount of shaming about “toxic masculinity” will change that. No one said that term but that thinking is where it comes from. Thinking that anyone who discusses any of these subjects is a “wannabe tough guy” and “insecure with their masculinity”

I’ve probably posted enough on this thread but it has been fun lol

Wasn't Mike Drake's bodyguard? I would assume he has some type of fighting skills. I dunno though, maybe not.

Maybe Jeff will start MMA training now, and create a YouTube channel devoted to his MMA journey. That way he can exploit the whole situation even more.

Then Mike Van Wyck can create a docuseries about him training guys in Canadian prison to be bodybuilders...

 

[danieltx]

Wasn't Mike Drake's bodyguard? I would assume he has some type of fighting skills. I dunno though, maybe not.

Maybe Jeff will start MMA training now, and create a YouTube channel devoted to his MMA journey. That way he can exploit the whole situation even more.

Then Mike Van Wyck can create a docuseries about him training guys in Canadian prison to be bodybuilders...

Mike was one of Drake's bodyguards until 2020. During his time as a bodyguard he backed off from bodybuilding and did a lot of boxing training. I don't know how skilled he is but he is trained in boxing so I suspect he can fight better than the average guy.

 

[aHarness]

In a parallel universe Jeff could have gotten up, faked a strike to Mike as Mike moved in, and got an easy takedown

That’s how my brain works at least

With the little I know about Jeff though, I doubt he would’ve engaged in any physical retaliation regardless whether he knew how to fight tbh. He seems very non-confrontational for the most part. I’m honestly pretty surprised the dude even went over to ask Mike what he meant in the first place.

And definitely agree, all men should have some basic understanding of how to defend themselves to at least some degree in my opinion as well.

 

[Fleezy]

He seems very non-confrontational for the most part.

a wise choice when you're 4' tall