My ALMOST 18 year old cousin's goal

[natabolic]

My cousin, whom will be turning 18 in a couple months, aspires to be a pro bodybuilder one day. Hes not your average kid, i guess. Strict offseason diet, strict training, very consistent. doesnt cheat, etc. hes been seriously training for about 4 years. yeah, quite a while for someone his age. Anyway, back to the story.

He aspires to be a professional bodybuilder. Hes not an idiot. He made a point to me the other day, that if he doesnt get on something soon, he will never make pro status. And while this is true to an extent, he wants to get on something now. I'm not going to discourage his dream, and to each his own, but, i believe that if one has been training long enough, and consistently, along with dieting, resting, etc, for just as long.. and ACTUALLY wants to compete, and even become pro., go ahead. A lot of the pros started early.. if not most.

So, today, he comes to me. and tells me about the cycle he is starting tomorrow. And its not even a cycle, its a blast/cruise. He doesnt plan to come off. Hes researched the subject of AAS for a while now, and feels hes ready. i support him, and just want to help. i wont try to change his mind. I did my first cycle when i was around his age as well.

But heres what he has laid out:

weeks 1-4:
test e @ 500 mgs/w
dbol @ 25 mgs/d
arimidex @ 0.5 mg/d
Humulin R @ 5 Ius PWO (3x a week, only weeks 1-2, followed by a 4 week break)

Weeks 5-7
HCG @ 1000 IUs/w
Nolva @ 20 mg/d
Arimidex @ 0.5 mg EOD

Repeat.

The idea looks pretty sound to me. The fact that he may, and very likely will be shut down forever, even with hcg, doesnt phase him. he says that if he cant have kids because of this in the future, thats his problem, and he doesnt have regrets.

He reminds me of myself at that age.

Anyway, this is possibly going to be a very controversial thread. But, remember, i do NOT encourage or support steroid use, especially not in teens.
This is a story, purely for hypothetical purposes.

Stats of the kid:

5'11
205 lbs
9% bodyfat

 

[7_Deadly_Sins]

1...he needs to reach his natural potentioal before he starts this first imo.
2...why does he need 3 compounds for his 1st cycle?

Post some pictures of him..we have pros here who can tell you if they think he'll make it or not..but I know he wont lisen.

Does he really need them at 18? Can he no longer make gains at all? Or does he want everything yesturday?

 

[bigguns078]

Why the need for insulin on a first cycle??? Or for that matter.. Dbol..

 

[Nate.184]

it doesnt matter how good his training and diet is! he isnt even 18 yet! i guarantee he could add tons more quality mass in the next couple years. he could probably get up to 230lbs at his height without gear and still have a low bf within the next 2 years. IMO 21 it the absolute youngest anyone should use AAS. even 21 is too young really.

i would support him to keep training natty but if he really wants to do this he will likely find a way to get the gear.

also... if he does do it, he should do a regular cycle imo. i dont like the looks of what he is thinkin of doin. the test e will have just started doin its thing by the time he starts his"pct" and it will of just barely cleared his system by the time he is ready to start again. it makes no sense to me. 300mg/week test is plenty for a first cycle. i made sick gains on 300/week

 

[natabolic]

7ds - 1. he is pretty close to his potential imo. he has stagnated in growth for 4ish months now, even after changing programs, changing diet, evaluating everything.

2. Dbol as a kicker, which i didnt think was too bad of idea.. i did discourage the insulin use though.

Ill get some pics up asap, i need him to send me some, or next time i go see him ill take a few.

Hes not one of those teens taht wants everything then and there. he doesnt have that NOW NOW NOW attitude. he does, however, want to make faster increases in size, so he will be able to compete in a higher weight class, as well as to enhance recovery, so he can train harder and more often. as well as be able to eat more protein, and have it assimilated. this is all his reasoning.

bigguns- i believe i answered your question above.

 

[chris250]

Since he is so set on using gear...and is going to do it no matter what..his first cycle is way overkill..No need for insulin, or d-bol, or even A-dex for that matter...Hell, just do 250mg of long acting test for 8 weeks and that should be it..I mean, come on !!! He is 18 years old...WTF !!! I would be he is going to gain 20 pounds on the cycle he is doing (if he gains any more than that it will be fat, because of the insulin, but you say he eats clean) But I would be he would gain probably 15lbs with just a test only cycle...So why do 2 - 3 compounds at the same time on your first cycle...I personally think that when people start AAS so young that they burn out much faster than if they waited a few more years...IMO ...but maybe I'll be wrong ...

 

[abolish the weak]

what other goals does he have? Does he plan on attending college? I'd tell it to him like this, if he cannot win a local bodybuilding show natural then chances of being professional are about slim to none. These guys nowadays, they were all freaks before ever touching anything. And 5'11, 205 lbs at 9% bf aint no freak. Ronnie Coleman is the type of guy who would walk around at 250-260 lbs conditioned anyways, without anything. That is the reality of what he will be up against. This also isnt something that you just decide one day "hey I wanna be pro" its more than that. Just remind him that there are plenty of guys at that age with similar stats, I'd strongly urge him at his age to put a career first and just do the best he can with bodybuilding without blowing his money on it.

 

[pesty4077]

My cousin, whom will be turning 18 in a couple months, aspires to be a pro bodybuilder one day. Hes not your average kid, i guess. Strict offseason diet, strict training, very consistent. doesnt cheat, etc. hes been seriously training for about 4 years. yeah, quite a while for someone his age. Anyway, back to the story.

He aspires to be a professional bodybuilder. Hes not an idiot. He made a point to me the other day, that if he doesnt get on something soon, he will never make pro status. And while this is true to an extent, he wants to get on something now. I'm not going to discourage his dream, and to each his own, but, i believe that if one has been training long enough, and consistently, along with dieting, resting, etc, for just as long.. and ACTUALLY wants to compete, and even become pro., go ahead. A lot of the pros started early.. if not most.

So, today, he comes to me. and tells me about the cycle he is starting tomorrow. And its not even a cycle, its a blast/cruise. He doesnt plan to come off. Hes researched the subject of AAS for a while now, and feels hes ready. i support him, and just want to help. i wont try to change his mind. I did my first cycle when i was around his age as well.

But heres what he has laid out:

weeks 1-4:
test e @ 500 mgs/w
dbol @ 25 mgs/d
arimidex @ 0.5 mg/d
Humulin R @ 5 Ius PWO (3x a week, only weeks 1-2, followed by a 4 week break)

Weeks 5-7
HCG @ 1000 IUs/w
Nolva @ 20 mg/d
Arimidex @ 0.5 mg EOD

Repeat.

The idea looks pretty sound to me. The fact that he may, and very likely will be shut down forever, even with hcg, doesnt phase him. he says that if he cant have kids because of this in the future, thats his problem, and he doesnt have regrets.

He reminds me of myself at that age.

Anyway, this is possibly going to be a very controversial thread. But, remember, i do NOT encourage or support steroid use, especially not in teens.
This is a story, purely for hypothetical purposes.

Stats of the kid:

5'11
205 lbs
9% bodyfat

I personally would never, ever support a 17 year old that wants to do AAS. To take insulin on a first cycle, is down right ridiculas.

 

[HawaiiMuscle]

what other goals does he have? Does he plan on attending college? I'd tell it to him like this, if he cannot win a local bodybuilding show natural then chances of being professional are about slim to none. These guys nowadays, they were all freaks before ever touching anything. And 5'11, 205 lbs at 9% bf aint no freak. Ronnie Coleman is the type of guy who would walk around at 250-260 lbs conditioned anyways, without anything. That is the reality of what he will be up against. This also isnt something that you just decide one day "hey I wanna be pro" its more than that. Just remind him that there are plenty of guys at that age with similar stats, I'd strongly urge him at his age to put a career first and just do the best he can with bodybuilding without blowing his money on it.

Yes, good post.

 

[GREEZY]

If your family is anything like mine, your aunt is gonna kick your ass.

 

[The Booger]

I'd never support it either but then again, do you want to stand around and watch him really hurt himself? I'm in the same situation with a 19 year old who is my best friend's brother. He is dead set on using PH's (even though I told him numerous times not to, presented the information, and gave him alternates) he went out and bought a crap load.

So I gave him some links to read on protecting himself (liver, BP, etc) and a place to get nolva/clomid/etc. Didn't want him to really injure himself by going by what he reads on the bottle and think he is safe.

Don't know man, tough call. Either help him or sit back and go "I told you so" later on.

 

[maldorf]

I personally would never, ever support a 17 year old that wants to do AAS. To take insulin on a first cycle, is down right ridiculas.

Yeah, I was shocked to read this too. When I was 18 years old I felt the same way as this kid. I had been lifting serious for 4 years too and progress slowed down. Progress slows for 4 months and he wants to jump on the juice! I probably would have gone on steroids at a much younger age if I had access to them. I didnt start until I was 29 yrs old, and had been lifting serious since I was 14 yrs old. I probably would have had my heart attack when I was 27 years old and not 38! Excellent way for him to shave some years off of his life expectancy. Imagine what he will be taking for cycles by the time he is 30 yrs old. I dont even want to think about it, it makes be cringe.

 

[Pumped1]

no need to do anymore then 200mg of test for 8-10 weeks, i did that my first run and gained over 20lbs

If your family is anything like mine, your aunt is gonna kick your ass.

i am Italian and my family is very much like yours, lol

 

[kid1dakota]

I would do everything in your power to delay his use.If he is wanting to start with a cycle like that I can imagine the amount he'll be using in five or ten years!This isn't going to have a good ending.just my opinion.

 

[Designbuilt]

Since he is so set on using gear...and is going to do it no matter what..his first cycle is way overkill..No need for insulin, or d-bol, or even A-dex for that matter...Hell, just do 250mg of long acting test for 8 weeks and that should be it..I mean, come on !!! He is 18 years old...WTF !!! I would be he is going to gain 20 pounds on the cycle he is doing (if he gains any more than that it will be fat, because of the insulin, but you say he eats clean) But I would be he would gain probably 15lbs with just a test only cycle...So why do 2 - 3 compounds at the same time on your first cycle...I personally think that when people start AAS so young that they burn out much faster than if they waited a few more years...IMO ...but maybe I'll be wrong ...

That's solid advice right there.

When I was in H.S. and just out, the kids who were on took maybe 1 shot of cyp or en per week and put on a good 15-20lbs.

I personally think that he's too young, but ditto on the above.

 

[natabolic]

All good responses.

I know i wont be able to delay his use.. i may be able to get him to drop the slin and dbol.. not sure. one thing i know he is dead set on is not coming off for a prolonged period of time. he knows it will, in the long run, sabotage his gains. I may be able to get him to drop the test dosage.

 

[Lenny]

I personally would never, ever support a 17 year old that wants to do AAS. To take insulin on a first cycle, is down right ridiculas.

I will have to concur with Pesty...do not do it now. I competed in my first competition at age 18, my senior year in high school, and it didn't even cross my mind to do super supps. I knew better and thought AAS was evil, so I worked my ass off in the gym and competed as a lightweight, taking second place. No, not big by any means, but I knew that in time things would start changing for the better...I chose to do college first, then come back full throttle to enjoying bodybuilding from all aspects. So much more to life, bodybuild and live outside of bodybuilding, not saying do not work hard, but enjoy life and if you have the potential your hard work will pay off and then you can cross that path.

You need to evaluate things later, train and eat big beyond your teen years before cross over to the dark side Yes, we know bodybuilders use them, but as many have stated reach that natty potential, but if you are set on doing them, well like Chris250 said be smart about it, even though I think he should hold off for several years if not more. Soo much time to break natural plateaus and grow...he is still young!

As we all say, it is not a sprint, but a marathon!

Again, pics would speak louder to us all and help us evaluate better, but I still will do not condone the use of AAS at the age.

 

[kid1dakota]

I know i wont be able to delay his use.. i may be able to get him to drop the slin and dbol.. not sure. one thing i know he is dead set on is not coming off for a prolonged period of time. he knows it will, in the long run, sabotage his gains. I may be able to get him to drop the test dosage.

Thats what scares me is he wants to hit the ground running with an advanced cycle and not want to come off.He could really hurt himself especially with slin added.This has the potential to be a tradegy,I hope not.

 

[maldorf]

I know i wont be able to delay his use.. i may be able to get him to drop the slin and dbol.. not sure. one thing i know he is dead set on is not coming off for a prolonged period of time. he knows it will, in the long run, sabotage his gains. I may be able to get him to drop the test dosage.

Not coming off is not so bright either. Does he know that he is setting himself up for a lifetime of HRT at the age of 18? Does he know that he is risking the chance to have children someday? Right now hes 18 and probably doesnt give a damn about either, but the matter should be brought to his attention if he doesnt already know it. My natural test is wrecked after using off and on for about 9 years. I am now on hrt. Without any help, my natural total test was stuck at 124.

 

[natabolic]

Not coming off is not so bright either. Does he know that he is setting himself up for a lifetime of HRT at the age of 18? Does he know that he is risking the chance to have children someday? Right now hes 18 and probably doesnt give a damn about either, but the matter should be brought to his attention if he doesnt already know it. My natural test is wrecked after using off and on for about 9 years. I am now on hrt. Without any help, my natural total test was stuck at 124.

hes aware of the potential, and very likely risks. yes.