My Pharma Grade HGH thoughts

[onixxx]

it was exactly what I did, I was saying you can't defend generics using that argument because it invalidates that argument as well. You don't seem from reading your other post to be defending generics at all tho, it seems to be an attack on gh period.

I personally know my diet and aas is the same as I do the same shit year after year usually (excluding taco trucks and late night mcflurries on occasion)
My body doesn't like certain things.
The training (even if I do the same stuff) will always be different as psychically you're never the same each week.
I used sero for awhile, I was paying 600 for two kits from a poz guy. When prices went higher i couldn't afford it.
And then there were good generics that did the same thing. Only difference to me was lethargy I noticed (or I'm older)

As far as defending hgh, I know what it doesn't do.
It's doesn't build muscle. It's a tool to make you leaner while gaining from the other stuff, as well as making you fuller (heavier) from muscle water.
Pay a lot for that or pay a better price with generic. .

 

[Gravel]

Dude its just getting ridiculous. You don't know what's working as you're always on something. In your words its a game changer and best thing ever and best gains ever. You make statements while on everything. Come on now already...

Insulin: shuttles food "good stuff" in muscles like crazy. Most anabolic hormone. Builders are eating more food then ever.

AAS: high dosages are being used yet denied.

HGH: filled with water and staying lean while eating more than ever. It's a bodybuilders tool that creates a great illusion. Stop saying it builds muscle.
Gays (usually) with hiv are scripted 18iu a day but stop because they gain too much water which causes problems. They sell it to us bodybuilders. THEY ARENT GAINING MUSCLE.

More food/high aas/ and slin is why guys are bigger. But its still down to genetics. And you make it sound like everyone is a monster. Everyone is on hgh, slin, and high dosages yet not everyone is a monster. But there are monsters that can't even afford generic hgh. They brew their own aas that lasts awhile and buy insulin for 26$ at walmart.

Mr Know it all.......you remind of the kid who told me Santa Claus wasn't real.

 

[HangingOn]

I have ran huma/geno at 7iu a day for 3 weeks, followed up by generics at 10iu for another 3 weeks. The *only* difference I noticed was I held less water on the pharm grade versus the generic. The only way I noticed that was how my wedding ring fit. I was only on 200mg of test a week, nutrition only changed once, 300 cal increase, and routine has been the same...

3 weeks is not enough to tell. Youd need to run something like 3 to 6 months most likely of each and include the opinion of a good eye (someone who knows) for input in addition to your own.


Also, whoever is saying HGH cannot build muscle is silly. And yes, Insulin AND GH cause a very large spike in IGF levels when used together.

 

[NEMSZ]

So much back and forth and contradiction on this site sometimes it drives me fucking crazy... One minute it's one thing the next it's another and then almost always someone comes in with a complete new way to twist shit around lol fuck me sideways...


You know what? I'm just going to buy whatever I feel is right and shoot that shit into my body and go from there. I urge anyone with my same opinion to do the same.

I saw on National Geographic a show about Heroin; dude was an addict over 50 years, looked like death of course, but if he's gone 50 years injecting Heroin with dirty needles and motel toilet water and he's not dead yet then what the fuck will a little GH do? Generic or not... lol fuck this...

 

[nothuman]

A pro on this board says the best use pharma, pitbull mentioned respected trainers, one of which is a pro said that humas give you a better look but you didn't see or read those you stick to the readings that fit the narrative you want to believe. You can't speak so confidently without the experience.

Most people spent quadruple to use pharm grade so their narrative is that it has to be better because they paid more, so most of their results are probably either placebo or they got burned by an underdosed or fake generic in the past. If they paid the same and used a good generic, I don't think they would be saying it's better.

Look I'll admit this is what I want to believe, but you put up two examples, and I've seen examples saying the opposite. That's enough for me to think I'm probably not missing out on pharm grade magic

 

[nothuman]

Mr Know it all.......you remind of the kid who told me Santa Claus wasn't real.

At least he posted scientific studies and research before stating his remarks

 

[onixxx]

At least he posted scientific studies and research before stating his remarks

And I actually wanna be wrong.

 

[Anubis]

Most people spent quadruple to use pharm grade so their narrative is that it has to be better because they paid more, so most of their results are probably either placebo or they got burned by an underdosed or fake generic in the past. If they paid the same and used a good generic, I don't think they would be saying it's better.

Look I'll admit this is what I want to believe, but you put up two examples, and I've seen examples saying the opposite. That's enough for me to think I'm probably not missing out on pharm grade magic

Who is spending 2k on 4 iu seros per day for a month lol jk, but I get the point you're making that they want to see the magic but the truth is gh is so readily available and so much more financially within reach than ever before I tend to believe that the hype would be going down not up but I am still reading more and more users saying they like their pharma more. There are many factors that play into that, results but also consistency from batch to batch, the peace of mind and yes being burned in the past by fakes or underdosed products is one of those issues but that is relevant. It does not make what they are saying about liking pharma results more untrue. I do believe there is some hyperbole absolutely but I think guys get very excited because theyve been thru the ringer with bad generics, good one batch, shit the next that they dont know what quality consistently feels like...I don't think the guys like you who love your generics even know until youve compared thats why I say you need to try it to say, imagine if youre happy now how much happier youd be if guys like me are right...I know at the end of the day if a generic is found that matches up on every aspect to my pharma that I'm not going to be pissed I spent more, I got what I paid for...I have used real cialis and its pricy, now am I kickin myself about spending 20 bucks a tab instead of 50 cents for a generic no I still fked like a champ lol but Ive tried the generic and it does the job the same way so I'll stick to the generic...if a generic gh treats me that same way as pharma I'll switch im not stupid but if at the end of the day you found out your generics been under performing, not performing etc you'll be pissed about the time and money lost, nobody bitches about getting what they paid for. I have tried a few of the holy grail of generic ghs and none of them were in the same league to me yet.

As for just 2 examples, if this were a thread about aas, training, dieting and you had bboy, JM and Matt Porter all on the same side you'd have confidence in what they were saying to be true, hell most would take it as gospel with those 3 on one side but make it about generics vs pharma and it's just a couple of examples? Between their experience lifting and competing themselves and with those they train and the pros bboy can speak about there is a lot of knowledge that go into those examples. Or are they all taken in by the placebo effect lol, come on

 

[Anubis]

I personally know my diet and aas is the same as I do the same shit year after year usually (excluding taco trucks and late night mcflurries on occasion)
My body doesn't like certain things.
The training (even if I do the same stuff) will always be different as psychically you're never the same each week.
I used sero for awhile, I was paying 600 for two kits from a poz guy. When prices went higher i couldn't afford it.
And then there were good generics that did the same thing. Only difference to me was lethargy I noticed (or I'm older)

As far as defending hgh, I know what it doesn't do.
It's doesn't build muscle. It's a tool to make you leaner while gaining from the other stuff, as well as making you fuller (heavier) from muscle water.
Pay a lot for that or pay a better price with generic. .

give me a break, your diet and training is the same year after year, your macros haven't changed, your lifts haven't progressed, you haven't made any progress in years of training that would change up anything in your runs. I know my diet has changed and my training has changed as I evolved as bb'er so if you want to hear from only people who haven't made any progress for comparisons then you're on the wrong board lol I was using pharma before generics and I was expecting some sort of surreal magic and I just didn't get it, so I switched saving money and what I got was looking like a bloated mess to nothing at all with some fake batches so I switched back.

I absolutely agree gh doesn't build much muscle alone, but in synergy with other items, slin aas it can lead to better overall results and growth. It all comes down to in how you want to see it, maybe you can get somewhat close results, maybe the sides you get are worth the savings for you, for others those sides and risks may not be worth it. You say pay a lot for that or pay a better price I say, pay for the real thing or play russian roulette in the generics game, play it long enough you'll get the bullet eventually. Anybody not gotten less pure quality or all out fake generics yet?

 

[Phidias]

How is pink gaining muscle from sero yet no single hiv patient has gained muscle from 18iu a day of sero.

Though I enjoy the constructive criticism you bring to the debate, I fail to see your logic here, onixxx... 18 iu's Sero or not, those HIV patients you're talking about are PRECISELY suffering from one of the most awful virus known to man, clearly documented to be one of the disease causing the most weight/muscle loss... therefore, HGH or not, they're actually not gaining any lean tissue simply cause the HIV prevents them to do so for its muscle wasting ability is so strong... much stronger than any PED.

 

[onixxx]

Though I enjoy the constructive criticism you bring to the debate, I fail to see your logic here, onixxx... 18 iu's Sero or not, those HIV patients you're talking about are PRECISELY suffering from one of the most awful virus known to man, clearly documented to be one of the disease causing the most weight/muscle loss... therefore, HGH or not, they're actually not gaining any lean tissue simply cause the HIV prevents them to do so for its muscle wasting ability is so strong... much stronger than any PED.

Clearly you know much about hiv treatments of today.
People don't waste away anymore.
People are still scripted because theyre usually the past generation that had wasting issues. But because of treatments now this doesn't happen. Idk if anyone is noticing but poz people are getting scripted less hgh because of new hiv treatments. Hgh helped them fill with water to look better. They've been given AAS on the side to actually gain muscle.
standard treatment is still needed with hgh therapy. Hgh is just just used because they've wasted. But as I said, new treatments make wasting a thing of the past usually
Surely with new treatments guys should be gaining muscle now right? Nope, because it doesn't do that.
And most people can't even handle 18iu for too long without serious complications of too much water gain and growth of other things. Go to west Hollywood and Florida you will see these people.

What I'm wondering since we're on the subject of sero for hiv is.
If many poz guys sell their kits, are docs questioning their tests/results? Surely things don't look right for the dosages scripted.

 

[onixxx]

give me a break, your diet and training is the same year after year, your macros haven't changed, your lifts haven't progressed, you haven't made any progress in years of training that would change up anything in your runs. I know my diet has changed and my training has changed as I evolved as bb'er so if you want to hear from only people who haven't made any progress for comparisons then you're on the wrong board lol I was using pharma before generics and I was expecting some sort of surreal magic and I just didn't get it, so I switched saving money and what I got was looking like a bloated mess to nothing at all with some fake batches so I switched back.

I absolutely agree gh doesn't build much muscle alone, but in synergy with other items, slin aas it can lead to better overall results and growth. It all comes down to in how you want to see it, maybe you can get somewhat close results, maybe the sides you get are worth the savings for you, for others those sides and risks may not be worth it. You say pay a lot for that or pay a better price I say, pay for the real thing or play russian roulette in the generics game, play it long enough you'll get the bullet eventually. Anybody not gotten less pure quality or all out fake generics yet?

Just because you're stronger each year and weigh more, it doesn't mean you gain more then the last time.

and yes... I know what calories/etc I need to bulk on.
Search for the thread of how much calories do you bulk on.
People usually stick to the same amounts because bulking is a cycle. With AAS, I'll use a dose to grow and go up to grow more. But I don't keep upping shit. Your body needs to chill to keep progressing (at least for me)

now if a builder didn't have to prep for a show, who knows what will happen if he keeps upping shit.( Cough trey brewer cough)

 

[Anubis]

Just because you're stronger each year and weigh more, it doesn't mean you gain more then the last time.

and yes... I know what calories/etc I need to bulk on.
Search for the thread of how much calories do you bulk on.
People usually stick to the same amounts because bulking is a cycle. With AAS, I'll use a dose to grow and go up to grow more. But I don't keep upping shit. Your body needs to chill to keep progressing (at least for me)

now if a builder didn't have to prep for a show, who knows what will happen if he keeps upping shit.( Cough trey brewer cough)

I am not saying anything about gaining more, I am saying you can't say all your factors remain unchanged when progress is a factor that changes results. Is test less effective now then it was on my first blast because I gained less, no but if I want to get those kind of gains again I need to take more and eat a ton more. So when you ask to hear from people who have done everything the same only, there aren't any or shouldn't be any. This isn't a scientific study. Most of us have been at this a long time and can tell when a product is working better for us than another, so you can't just discount pinktons opinion off hand because he's not doing everything the exact same way he's got enough experience to differentiate what is working for him and not.

As for that bulking thread, you're kidding, that isn't a how many cals are you always bulking on thread it's a what are you using to bulk on now thread or what would you use if you were to bulk thread. You macro needs change, are you eating the same at 185 to maintain as you would at 285?

 

[johnjuanb1]

Dude its just getting ridiculous. You don't know what's working as you're always on something. In your words its a game changer and best thing ever and best gains ever. You make statements while on everything. Come on now already...

Insulin: shuttles food "good stuff" in muscles like crazy. Most anabolic hormone. Builders are eating more food then ever.

AAS: high dosages are being used yet denied.

HGH: filled with water and staying lean while eating more than ever. It's a bodybuilders tool that creates a great illusion. Stop saying it builds muscle.
Gays (usually) with hiv are scripted 18iu a day but stop because they gain too much water which causes problems. They sell it to us bodybuilders. THEY ARENT GAINING MUSCLE.

More food/high aas/ and slin is why guys are bigger. But its still down to genetics. And you make it sound like everyone is a monster. Everyone is on hgh, slin, and high dosages yet not everyone is a monster. But there are monsters that can't even afford generic hgh. They brew their own aas that lasts awhile and buy insulin for 26$ at walmart.

Is this ENFERNO?

The timing of the join date/ban/ obsession with HGH seems awfully similar.
Just curious?

Yes, I take everything under the sun. I do notice changes when adding or taking out certain compounds. This is Day 4 on serostim and insulin. I'm having one hell of a great workout. My injuries feel safer while training. Endurance is phenomenal.

I think you are looking for answers from scientific data that doesn't exist.
No disrespect meant. Topics like this are valuable.

 

[Elvia1023]

Is this ENFERNO?

The timing of the join date/ban/ obsession with HGH seems awfully similar.
Just curious?

Yes, I take everything under the sun. I do notice changes when adding or taking out certain compounds. This is Day 4 on serostim and insulin. I'm having one hell of a great workout. My injuries feel safer while training. Endurance is phenomenal.

I think you are looking for answers from scientific data that doesn't exist.
No disrespect meant. Topics like this are valuable.

Funny you say that as I thought that the other day. He joined 10 days after Nfernoo was banned. I was gonna post in this thread the other day but figured there is no point. I actually agree with a lot of what he has to say but disagree with other things. Can't even be bothered going on as this thread is going nowhere. Everyone has a different opinion and it has been debated for years. Guys have taken lots of pharm grade hgh and said it's not much different to good generics. Others say the complete opposite and everything in between. There are lotsof top caliber bodybuilders and they won't join generics. I think it's a bit of both in many ways so we could go on all day without a definite answer.

I did think it was Nfernoo though. As you say topics like this are valuable but this thread will go around in circles like they always do on this subject. Plus the guy says he wants to be proven wrong but I think he has already more than made up his mind on this subject.

 

[pesty4077]

That true Onixxx? Not hard to tell on this forum who has been banned before. They come back the same jack asses as they were before.

 

[onixxx]

Is this ENFERNO?

The timing of the join date/ban/ obsession with HGH seems awfully similar.
Just curious?

Yes, I take everything under the sun. I do notice changes when adding or taking out certain compounds. This is Day 4 on serostim and insulin. I'm having one hell of a great workout. My injuries feel safer while training. Endurance is phenomenal.

I think you are looking for answers from scientific data that doesn't exist.
No disrespect meant. Topics like this are valuable.

Who? What are you talking about.
Maybe that guy called you out while no one does?
Anyway, you're never on anything long enough before you add something or take something out. Everything is amazing pretty quickly. It's an observation that makes you look odd.
You have to know how contradictory and inconsistent you sound. I could bring up examples but I won't, I'm not that much of a dick. I just think it's irresponsible to tout things as amazing without using compounds long enough to claim such.
I have nothing against you! But it gets odd when guys are just as inconsistent with their words as with their drugs, while seemingly stating fact.
HGH OBSESSION? I have many subjects to discuss. Tren hex being completely amazing at half the dosages of other esters.
inject superdol/orals being the real game changers.
But when I arrived it's been hgh. While doing research I'm trying to get real proof while inconsistent bro science runs like crazy.
1. pharmacy grade builds muscle.
2. I'm leaner and weigh more so I've built 20 lbs of muscle from adding hgh 4 month ago.
3. I'm fuller so it's muscle.
4. Only rips was comparable. You don't think
other good generics have the same technology behind them?
If you believe the rumors, a**tropin is the replacement for original rips. Speculation is in the air about original rips and what happened.

 

[Elvia1023]

HAHA... It is you... what an idiot.

I could tell by your posts... no mistaking an idiot. It was the trying to sound intelligent but clearly being an idiot that gave it away for me.

Sorry if that is inppropriate mods but Nfernoo was an idiot. I have had issues with him so I could see this new username wasn't right.

 

[onixxx]

That true Onixxx? Not hard to tell on this forum who has been banned before. They come back the same jack asses as they were before.

No lol. I'm not calling anyone names or being a no it all.
I'm just stepping in wondering why bro science keeps getting tossed around like fact. So I call it out...
Even pink stepped in saying he doesn't know if it's muscle. If I read that right.

 

[johnjuanb1]

Who? What are you talking about.
Maybe that guy called you out while no one does?
Anyway, you're never on anything long enough before you add something or take something out. Everything is amazing pretty quickly. It's an observation that makes you look odd.
You have to know how contradictory and inconsistent you sound. I could bring up examples but I won't, I'm not that much of a dick. I just think it's irresponsible to tout things as amazing without using compounds long enough to claim such.
I have nothing against you! But it gets odd when guys are just as inconsistent with their words as with their drugs, while seemingly stating fact.
HGH OBSESSION? I have many subjects to discuss. Tren hex being completely amazing at half the dosages of other esters.
inject superdol/orals being the real game changers.
But when I arrived it's been hgh. While doing research I'm trying to get real proof while inconsistent bro science runs like crazy.
1. pharmacy grade builds muscle.
2. I'm leaner and weigh more so I've built 20 lbs of muscle from adding hgh 4 month ago.
3. I'm fuller so it's muscle.
4. Only rips was comparable. You don't think
other good generics have the same technology behind them?
If you believe the rumors, a**tropin is the replacement for original rips. Speculation is in the air about original rips and what happened.

I actually enjoyed having you on the forum, as ENFERNO, and the other past names. I take lots of compounds. I change up my protocol as I see fit, which is daily at times. You do this long enough and you can feel the effects of adding or subtracting various compounds.
I liked riptropin, not because it was high purity as testing showed it low purity but legit 191 HGH. I liked that it made me full all the time.
I pretty much have only run a dozen or so kits of HGH in my life. My reason for serostim now is it comes from a friend of 8 years who supplies the top pros. It's 100% legit with the HIV patients name torn off. My friends who are serious and a lot bigger than I am only use serostim and genotropin. Serostim is less expensive and very easy for me to get. I going to push my body this year for classic physique so I'm going all out.
I've been offered plenty of free HGH kits by sponsors but I always kindly refuse. Queefer warned everyone about a sponsor that would scam. I won't risk my reputation on a sponsor I'm not friends with long term. Those I rep for or sponsor threads I post in, have been my friends for years. With serostim I ask my friend for it, he gets it, I pay when it arrives. Safe and easy.