Newbie (Diet needs critiquing) please!

[Analog]

Hello all. Ok, so i have been weightlifting on and off for about 2-3 years now (on and off). I am 16 years old, 6'1, 174lbs, with minimal bodyfat. (very lean 8-pack) *see picture. I have not really started to use a protein powder yet at all except for some N large 2 weight gainer and the occasional muscle milk shake that i have messed around with. I also have some glutamine, bcaa's, a multi vitamin, as well as fish oils and what not. I take them occasionally but not like i should. My weight training regimen seems to be in order but my main question for you guys today is about my diet program that i have strung together. Consisting of...
6am- 1 scoop CellMass, 3 BCAA's

6:30am-1 cup oatmeal, 4 egg whites/2 whole eggs

9:15am-2 scoops of True-Mass, 1/4 scoop of glutamine

10:45am- 1 scoop of Syntha-6

12:10pm- 8 oz of chicken/turkey, 1 cup of green beans, 20 oz of water

2:30pm- 2 scoops of True-Mass, 1/4 scoop of glutamine

4pm- 8 oz steak, 1 cup rice, salad, 20 oz water

5pm- 2 scoops of waxy maize, 2 BCAA's, and 2 tbs SYNTHpure before workout

5:30pm-workout, 40 oz water
post (2 scoops WMS, 2tbsp 30g, SynthePure, BCAA's, bannana)

8pm- 8 oz chicken/turkey, salad, vegetable 1 cup

9:30pm- 1 scoop CellMass, 2 scoops Syntha-6, 3 BCAA's

10:00pm-6 oz steak, half cup of vegetables

I am capable of following this diet strictly day by day and are ready to go the whole yard with this. O, and i also have 6 bottles of LBA's that i could also incorporate. So basically, is this a good diet for a 16 year old boy to start off with? If not please suggest any alternatives.
Thank you very much!

 

[loganb_football]

Hello all. Ok, so i have been weightlifting on and off for about 2-3 years now (on and off). I am 16 years old, 6'1, 174lbs, with minimal bodyfat. (very lean 8-pack) *see picture. I have not really started to use a protein powder yet at all except for some N large 2 weight gainer and the occasional muscle milk shake that i have messed around with. I also have some glutamine, bcaa's, a multi vitamin, as well as fish oils and what not. I take them occasionally but not like i should. My weight training regimen seems to be in order but my main question for you guys today is about my diet program that i have strung together. Consisting of...
6am- 1 scoop CellMass, 3 BCAA's

6:30am-1 cup oatmeal, 4 egg whites/2 whole eggs

9:15am-2 scoops of True-Mass, 1/4 scoop of glutamine

10:45am- 1 scoop of Syntha-6

12:10pm- 8 oz of chicken/turkey, 1 cup of green beans, 20 oz of water

2:30pm- 2 scoops of True-Mass, 1/4 scoop of glutamine

4pm- 8 oz steak, 1 cup rice, salad, 20 oz water

5pm- 2 scoops of waxy maize, 2 BCAA's, and 2 tbs SYNTHpure before workout

5:30pm-workout, 40 oz water
post (2 scoops WMS, 2tbsp 30g, SynthePure, BCAA's, bannana)

8pm- 8 oz chicken/turkey, salad, vegetable 1 cup

9:30pm- 1 scoop CellMass, 2 scoops Syntha-6, 3 BCAA's

10:00pm-6 oz steak, half cup of vegetables

I am capable of following this diet strictly day by day and are ready to go the whole yard with this. O, and i also have 6 bottles of LBA's that i could also incorporate. So basically, is this a good diet for a 16 year old boy to start off with? If not please suggest any alternatives.
Thank you very much!

That's a lot of meals! I have been working with Phil H. and I just eat when I am hungry (usually 4-6 times a day). How long have you been running this diet, or have you started it yet?

 

[Copenhagen]

Seems like a hell of alot of meals to me too. You only need to eat every 2-3 hours. I think 40g protein 30g carbs 10g healthy fats for 6 meals should be more than enough.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

ok

My advice it to use the LBAs, 5-6 tbs mixed with water in BETWEEN MEALS..........what flavor do you have? I like mixing lime or lemonade with diet soda

 

[VTliftVT]

i agree with copen...i mean you are a growing boy and have a good starting physique (wish i looked like that at your age) but you certainly won't need that amount of food to grow. continuously spiking your insulin that often throughout the day will store a lot of fat when mixing your 3 macro's together as well. a few other things to consider:

1) much of what you read here regarding diet plans will be those who are heavier than you or have a little more experience in their diet and what works for them (ie you eat that much you may get fat)

2) many may be taking some extra "protein synthesis boosters" which i hope to God at your age you aren't

3) without the above boosters, you probably won't utilize much of the protein you eat thus also adding extra adiopose tissue

I say right now eat when hungry and eat healthy. Do some morning cardio to boost your metabolism thus making you more hungry throughout the day. Maybe sip on some LBA's in between.

Another thing I am thinking about is that you are 16! Enjoy your damn life some! Be a horny teenager and spend less time worrying about shoveling 10 meals a day down your throat!

 

[pesty4077]

First of all, I am happy that a 16 year old has devoted his life to something constructive, like weight training and by the way, you look good. I was wondering why you have to take so many different BSN products? Not to say, they aren't a decent product. You never let us know what your goals are, if it is size, you probally need to go to another Diet. I agree with Phil, I love to take LBA's in between, especially when I am in a hurry. At 16, you have plenty of time to grow a very good physique. You have alot of good quality people on this site who will help you go in the right direction. Stick with it, and ask questions.

 

[Analog]

That's a lot of meals! I have been working with Phil H. and I just eat when I am hungry (usually 4-6 times a day). How long have you been running this diet, or have you started it yet?

Thanks alot guys for your responses, that helped a lot. I have not started this diet yet but if i were to start it would be sometime after thanksgiving.

 

[Analog]

My advice it to use the LBAs, 5-6 tbs mixed with water in BETWEEN MEALS..........what flavor do you have? I like mixing lime or lemonade with diet soda

Hey, Phil. Yea, so i have 6 bottles of the lime-ade that i can incorporate. I mean basically my main goal is to bulk up. I would like to be able to hit 180-195 maybe 200 in a few months. I mean i don't want to look fluffy though. I would still like to be toned at those weights like i am now. So could some body please possibly tell me what you think a good bulking diet would be or should i just research that a bit more. I mean i like to hear it from other people rather than taking it off google or something.

Also is there another weight gaining supplement that anybody else would reccomend other than the BSN line. I have the SYNTHEpure and the LBA's which my brother used but he is no longer with us. I used to take guidance from him and he is the reason why i look like i do now but i cant take that guidance anymore. So i am now looking to people here to help me out. He seemed to really like the LBA's and the Synthepure and i am sure i would like them to but i feel like i need a weight gain shake also. So would anybody recommend something else in the weight gain shake area? Thank you@

 

[Analog]

i have never seen anyone stick to them and/or see them actually put GOOD weight on anyone. they are calorie laden drinks.
that diet you posted is too much.
i don't think you will look NEAR as lean if you try to get to 200lbs too fast.
your physique looks ALOT like mine did before i started training and eating right.
phil is the man to talk to. instead of spending all that money on the supps, hire phil and your view on exercise and diet AND your physique will change. i did. mine did.
you have come to the right place.
my best advice: BE PATIENT.
i was almost 6 feet tall and weighed 170 when i started lifting and EATING. years later thats me in the avatar, this DID NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. -STEELE

If i am trying to "bulk up" wont i want those extra calories?
And that is what i have realized. That i have watched all of my friends use Products that are all hype like muscletech. and i mean granted they work to some extent but i am smart enough to realize that Those plastic jugs cost alot, the advertisement that they put on there costs a fortune and they add alot of fillers. My friends don't seem to notice that. I think you would benefit better if you just created your own mix on TP.com or ordered some of their products rather than go out and by the entire Muscletech line.....

 

[loganb_football]

If i am trying to "bulk up" wont i want those extra calories?
And that is what i have realized. That i have watched all of my friends use Products that are all hype like muscletech. and i mean granted they work to some extent but i am smart enough to realize that Those plastic jugs cost alot, the advertisement that they put on there costs a fortune and they add alot of fillers. My friends don't seem to notice that. I think you would benefit better if you just created your own mix on TP.com or ordered some of their products rather than go out and by the entire Muscletech line.....

There is a point where there are too many calories, and thats what you need to monitor. Take maybe 500 calories above maintenance... It takes some patience, but it is well worth it. You think if you gain just a 1/2 to 1 pound a week thats 26-52 pounds a year... If there is something I have learned from people here it is that bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint...

 

[Curiousity]

If i am trying to "bulk up" wont i want those extra calories?
And that is what i have realized. That i have watched all of my friends use Products that are all hype like muscletech. and i mean granted they work to some extent but i am smart enough to realize that Those plastic jugs cost alot, the advertisement that they put on there costs a fortune and they add alot of fillers. My friends don't seem to notice that. I think you would benefit better if you just created your own mix on TP.com or ordered some of their products rather than go out and by the entire Muscletech line.....

If you want to add calories, stick with the basics as they will be healthier and cheaper:
- olive oil
- coconut oil
- natural peanut butter
- add a handful of nuts to a protein/fat meal
- etc

also add 1 tsp or 1 Tbsp of flax seed oil to any of your shakes per day (or the same amount of fish oil per day, but not in the shake!)

 

[njpooldude]

keep up the good work kiddo.. u look great

 

[Analog]

Ok guys, i decided to change up my workout and go for what you guys said regarding less is more. You were right when you said i am an eager teenager that really likes to feel the pump and once i get the pump i continue to pound out my muscles with more sets and more reps.
I am used to doing this with every body part and when im done at the gym im sore and pumped. And (sometimes i am sore a few days after but not usually) and i am never sore the next few days when it comes to biceps even though i hit them real hard with tons of sets. So i guess i am overtraining.

So today (Monday i went to the gym at around 9:10 and finished at around 10:30, so just a bit over an hour spent at the gym)
I kicked it off with Back and Biceps doing back first
(I used heavier weights then i normally would as well as less sets)
(Normally i dont sweat alot i just come out feeling pumped and sore)

I got a good stretch in
I used the Straight lat bar (and warmed up with 20 reps at 100lbs for 1 set)
I Then jumped to 120lbs for 10 reps for 1 set
I Then jumped to 140lbs for 8 reps for 1 set
I then jumped to 160lbs for 6 reps for 1 set
(I felt as if once i did 160lbs i could not go any heavier. The way i normally train back i could easily have hit 180lbs but today "maybe because i was slightly under the weather i couldnt go any heavier")

Thats all i did with the lat bar. And instead of being really pumped like i normally would be. I was infact just tired. (i was sweating alot which i normally dont do, i felt like i wanted to yawn)
Then I switched out the bar and used the close grip pull down handel
I then did exactly the same as above
starting at 120, then ending at 160
(I started to feel a bit of a pump then but still was just sweating and tired)
I then moved onto the Lat Row machine (the one where you sit down and pull the handels towards you
I did 3 sets again like before but started at 130 then 150 then 180.
Lastly i finished up with 4 sets of Bent over dumbbell rows.
Started with 60lbs for 10 then 70lbs for 8 then 80lbs for 8 then 100lbs for 6
That was it for back. I was mainly just tired and sweaty.
I wont type what i did for biceps unless you would like me to but basically i did the same thing (different exercises). I felt more of a pump when i was done but was still tired.

Immediately after i mixed 2 tbs of SYNTHEpure in my water bottle and drank
I then went home and drank 2 scoops of Waxy Maize starch. And here i am now.
Is everything i did today more along the lines of what i want to keep doing? Instead of what i WAS doing which was 20 sets easily per day (every day)
Thank you guys. Your words and input are getting me to be where i want to be!

 

[Analog]

O and i when I say that i am tired after each set. What i mean is i am physically exhausted. Not like "i want to go to bed tired" Just thought i would clarify that.
I Normally go to the gym at 9 on the dot and leave at 11 (is this to long?)
O and i forgot to mention that instead of just repping out the weights real quick I decided to go a lot slower and have more controlled motions
Like when I first grab the bar, i bring it down REAL quick but controlled. Then i let it go back up real slow for about a 6 second count. I focused on form but maintained some decent sized weights.

 

[Analog]

whats your workout split look like?
how many exercises per muscle?
how many sets?
how many reps?
what is taking 2 hours...? seems WAY too long. -STEELE

Ok, this would be an example of my "OLD" workout program (2 years ago)
I would be in the gym for 2-3 hours doing this
Monday
Back and Bi's and shoulders
Here is an example of back with the close grip bar
I would do 2 warmup sets (20 reps, 2 sets, at 80lbs)
Then i would do (18 reps, 2 sets at 100lbs_
(16 reps, 1 set at 120lbs)
(14 reps, 1 set 140lbs)
(12 reps, 1 set 150lbs)
(10 reps, 1 set 160lbs)
(8 reps, 1 set 170lbs
(6reps, 1 set 180lbs)
Then i would do the lat bar and do the same exact thing
Then i would go to hammer strength rowing machine and do
(20 reps, 1 set with "2" 25lb plates[take off the plates])
(18 reps, 1 set with "2" 45 lbs plates)
(16 reps, 1 set with "2" 25 lbs plates added to the 45's)
(12 reps, 1 set with "2" 45 lbs plates
and so on till i hit 6 reps

Tuesday
Chest and Tris
Wednesday
Back and Bis
Thursday
Chest and Tris
Friday
Bakc and Bis and shoulders

NOW MY WORKOUTS LOOK LIKE THIS
Monday
Back and Bis
1 warm-up set
3 work sets
8-10 reps
3 different exercises
Tuesday
Chest and Tris
Thursday
Legs
Friday
Shoulders and Abs

 

[clarkf]

ANALOG,
2-3 hours in the gym is way too long in my opinion. If your looking to bulk I would suggesst as evryone else has to reduce your meals to 4-5 meals a day. As far as calories goes, you do need additional calories when bulking but your diet is overkill. I am 230 lbs have been bodybuilding for years and would never be able to stuff that many meals down in a day.Try training one bodypart per day. I.E. Chest monday, shoulders tuesday, back weds, etc. etc. Spending no more than 1 hour in the gym. I dont believe you would need more than 2-4 Working Sets to achieve your goals right now. 2-3 hours is overtraining