NOLVADEX AND YOUR PROSTATE..

[LATS]

we have had this discussion repeatedly.. but a recent article by bill l (the owner of bodyofscience and the ug handbook) got me thinking about estro and it benefits and risks..

i take aromasin and like the results visually.. less bloat ect.. but without regular bloodwork we truly dont know where our estro levels are.. SO YOU TRULTY DONT KNOW HOW THE LEVELS ARE EFFECTING YOUR PROSTATE AND OR LIPIDS..

this got me thinking .. bill l states that nolva is the best way to combat estro levels because it is friendly to the hdl and lipids.. but could it be even friendlier to the prostate? we know that the prostate has estro receptors.. could nolva, which is tissue specific, also protect the prostate from high estro levels.. we also know that certain estrogens are helpful to the prostate based on recent studies.. so could nolva be the way to go in regards to estro control and possible a healthy prostate? i know many will say that it effect igf levels negatively but, i am talking some dosages of 10mgs a day or so which i doubt will have too much effect on igf..ok class.. discuss..

 

[Newman]

Lats, did you put this in the sponsor section accidently?

 

[LATS]

yeah.. i would say i was drunk but i dont drink.. lol.. these guys (admin) have to watch out for me and they moved it for me

 

[hawkmoon]

I've been on 20mg of Nolvadex a day for about 6 months.
I have not used an AI in over three months.

My lipids are the best they have been in 20 years and I get no bloat or gyno even with 1G of Test.
I also have zero gonad shrinkage while using this dose of Nolva, and I believe it helps counter the LH shutdown.

 

[LATS]

i agree.. i always tauted nolva for its benetits in the lipid and hdl profile.. i have been taking aromasin.. but that has me wondering were the levels are.. that is why, being tissue specific, if it could quit possibly be beneficial for the prostate.. i talked to a euro competitor last year and have a"storytime with lats" i need to post for him.. but this guy used nolva only and said it kept his lipids and bloodwork "near perfect" using a couple 1500 of test and 40mgs of oral turinabol a week.. now what he considered near perfect i was not able to assertain.. but he also claimed it worked better than arimidex for his bloat.. interesting..

 

[lemmyswart]

And

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[wasp]

what do you mean, kept his bw perfect? your not saying it kept his rbc in check are you?

 

[Steve123]

LATS,

I've heard about the benefits re: Bloat etc. in the past. However, how would Tamoxifen help when it does nothing to effect the conversion at the Aromatase? It basically acts as a synthetic Estrogen and competes for receptor sites at a tissue level as we all know; however, if it does nothing to reduce circulating Estrogen, how would that create a positive impact on water retention and some of the other visual side effects? I'm not arguing the point or the anecdotal evidence at hand, I'm literally just curious to know why this happens because I've seen it myself.

 

[machola]

I'll never touch tamoxifen again. I can't comment on the prostate health but it greatly increases risk of cardiovascular events such as DVT, pulmonary embolism, heart attack, stroke. AAS seems to increase risk of these things anyway. To take it in combination with nolva seems doubly bad.

 

[JETHRO TULL]

Really?

I'll never touch tamoxifen again. I can't comment on the prostate health but it greatly increases risk of cardiovascular events such as DVT, pulmonary embolism, heart attack, stroke. AAS seems to increase risk of these things anyway. To take it in combination with nolva seems doubly bad.

I hope that's not the case. I've been taking it and now I am worried.

 

[RESTLESS1]

novaldex did nothing to help me with bloat or water retention......i had to switch to armidex....i was at 1g of test and 700mg eq......i did however use novaldex when i came off armidex and it helped with rebound effects

 

[Ashop]

we have had this discussion repeatedly.. but a recent article by bill l (the owner of bodyofscience and the ug handbook) got me thinking about estro and it benefits and risks..

i take aromasin and like the results visually.. less bloat ect.. but without regular bloodwork we truly dont know where our estro levels are.. SO YOU TRULTY DONT KNOW HOW THE LEVELS ARE EFFECTING YOUR PROSTATE AND OR LIPIDS..

this got me thinking .. bill l states that nolva is the best way to combat estro levels because it is friendly to the hdl and lipids.. but could it be even friendlier to the prostate? we know that the prostate has estro receptors.. could nolva, which is tissue specific, also protect the prostate from high estro levels.. we also know that certain estrogens are helpful to the prostate based on recent studies.. so could nolva be the way to go in regards to estro control and possible a healthy prostate? i know many will say that it effect igf levels negatively but, i am talking some dosages of 10mgs a day or so which i doubt will have too much effect on igf..ok class.. discuss..

Its definitely a good theory. Makes perfect sense to me. I would love to see some type of study on it.

 

[Silencer]

I'll never touch tamoxifen again. I can't comment on the prostate health but it greatly increases risk of cardiovascular events such as DVT, pulmonary embolism, heart attack, stroke. AAS seems to increase risk of these things anyway. To take it in combination with nolva seems doubly bad.

Is there research to back this up? I know I've seen some bad side effects, but (of course) the studies were done on women, typically post breast cancer.

Other AI like Arimidex and Letro shut down my lipid profiles really badly, so I guess if what you are saying is true, I have to choose between a cardiac arrest from having a 7 or 8 HDL vs a pulmonary embolism if I use nolva?

 

[aphextwin]

I know an older BB that has prostate issues from AAS. He uses Arimidex most of the time, but has recently starting using 20 mg of nolvadex for prostate issues. He told me it has made a world of difference.

 

[LATS]

that was kinda my "theory".. if is "specific" on the estro receptor then why would it not work by blocking the estro in regards to the prostate and its estro recptors?.. i dont know.. as for the competitor and his bloodwork.. cant tell ya.. just going by what he said.. i am sure rbc was still high.. but hawkmoon might have a better insight as he has had bloodwork done while on the nolva..

 

[hawkmoon]

that was kinda my "theory".. if is "specific" on the estro receptor then why would it not work by blocking the estro in regards to the prostate and its estro recptors?.. i dont know.. as for the competitor and his bloodwork.. cant tell ya.. just going by what he said.. i am sure rbc was still high.. but hawkmoon might have a better insight as he has had bloodwork done while on the nolva..

My RBC was 553 two weeks after running 1.5G of T for three weeks. Nolva at 20mg well before, during and after.

 

[Newman]

LATS,

I've heard about the benefits re: Bloat etc. in the past. However, how would Tamoxifen help when it does nothing to effect the conversion at the Aromatase? It basically acts as a synthetic Estrogen and competes for receptor sites at a tissue level as we all know; however, if it does nothing to reduce circulating Estrogen, how would that create a positive impact on water retention and some of the other visual side effects? I'm not arguing the point or the anecdotal evidence at hand, I'm literally just curious to know why this happens because I've seen it myself.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Almost.

I'm wondering how nolva protects against estradiol induced BPH/cancer since it's a synthetic estrogen? I mean, I understand that it's used to block estrogen from the breasts of women fighting breast cancer, but why doesn't it attack the receptors in the same way that natty estrogen does? Is it somehow metabolically inert in receptors?

Considering the long term health risks involved in using gear, SERMs & AIs, it would seem wise to use both SERMS & AIs in combination in the lowest amounts possible that give protection against gyno. That way, the prostate is guarded from estrogen irritaion while significantly excess estrogen is prevented from formation in the 1st place. I know that sounds like a stupidly obvious statement, but I'm not sure how much though most guys give to trying to use minimal effective doses. I think most of us just follow the herd in setting doses without ever knowing how much aromatase we're circulating...

 

[LATS]

so we know that circulating estro has a positive impact on the hearty and lipids.. so we dont want to eliminate it.. reduce? yes to an extent.. but we , without blood work, dont know how far we have gone.. even though aromasin is regarded as not having a as much of a impact as say arimidex on the lipids it can still be dangerous to take without know exact amount of estro we have circulating.. as for the "visual" impact of nova.. in my mind i would think that it would not have much impact this way.. although anecdotally we hear about positive changes.. but i would think bloat would still be a issue without a anti e such as aromasin..

now i am willing to put up with some bloat if i can protect my prostate and lipids via nolva ect.. so it is really a catch 22.. i want to have healthy lipid levels so i can not "eliminate" estro.. yet taking anti e's can have a negative impact on those levels.. nolva ,on the other hand, has a positive impact on lipids levels by the vast majority of studies but i am sure the dosages are low.. so this leans me toward giving nolva a more fair shake.. i am more concerned with protecting my prostate these day which got me thinking that nolav could interact with the estro receptors in the prostate the same way as it does in breast receptors.. maybe not.. but on paper it would seem so..

 

[animalsd]

My RBC was 553 two weeks after running 1.5G of T for three weeks. Nolva at 20mg well before, during and after.

hawk, what are the normal ranges for RBC?

 

[hawkmoon]

hawk, what are the normal ranges for RBC?

438-577