Nolvadex's sacrafices. Fix ldl's v.s. lower IGF levels

[Thebigone]

If nolvadex is supposed to work wonders on the lipids im wondering why most people on cycle dont use a low dose like 10mg throughout the whole cycle. Ive heard of it drastically fixing hdl which is a concern for a lot of us. The downside is ive read nolvadex can drastically lower IGF levels. How true is this? Even at 10mg? Kinda weighing the pro's v.s. con's if its worth using.

 

[andres8]

thats tuff becasue i have read and heard of guys taking anywere from 10- 40 mgs to combat estrogen type issues in the precontest and they say it helps them dry out and reduce bloast but i would like to know the answer to your question

 

[gazgazo]

If you are using GH, Nolva's effect on IGF should be a mute point.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Well

Aromasin does more positive things to a lipid profile than nolva

 

[Thebigone]

Aromasin does more positive things to a lipid profile than nolva

Really? Thats great news as thats the only antiE im on all the time. I thought aromasin did nothing for lipids which was why its the overall choice over adex which slaughters lipids.

 

[Thebigone]

If you are using GH, Nolva's effect on IGF should be a mute point.

True but you have igf circulating all day through your body with the biggest peak at night for males, so say you do 2iu gh 2x per day, you'll have elevated igf levels for 2-3hrs after each shot but what if nolvadex keeps igf levels low the rest of the day. And even worse effects your natty gh pulse at night.

 

[KillerStack]

so say you do 2iu gh 2x per day, you'll have elevated igf levels for 2-3hrs after each shot

Did you mean GH? IGF doesn't even increase appreciably by 2-3 hours post-shot. It takes about a day for the IGF to peak after an injection.

GH itself peaks at something like 4 hours after the shot.

If you are using GH, Nolva's effect on IGF should be a mute point.

Anyone know from blood work or research data whether Nolva negatively impacts the usual IGF increase from exo-gh?

 

[Matsuo Munefusa]

I would also like to see some scientific "non-broscience" backing up that it decreases IGF levels.

I've been on nolvadex 20mg ed for a long while and I dont feel negatively impacted

also on test though doesnt it increase IGF???

 

[rise of the fallen]

i was on nolva for 3 months along with test,mast,n dbol, i didnt gain apound but i lost 10lbs looked like i gained 20,n never looked better,but iam hopin on adex or aromasin nexttime,i think i could have gained more if i werent on nolvadex

 

[mexbeast]

i don't worry about the reduction in igf1 from nolva, why? your plasma igf levels are not very important as far as muscle growth is concerned. there is studies on mice where mice were bred to lack igf1. but when put in a workout program the mice lacking the igf1 gained as much muscle as regular mice. is that not the reason lr3-igf1 is not very effective? if plasma levels were a must for muscle growth then lr3-igf1 would be ideal; but we know other wise.