O/T - Does Body Weight Affect Longevity?

[Oldlifter]

I don't think so. Why? Because the source of the problem is a lack of blood supply to the heart muscle. *LOL* "But how can that be?" some wanna bee fitness models may ask. They continue , "Is the heart not literally bathed in blood? Do not tons of it pass through the heart daily?"

This is true. So to understand the nature of the problem, we must know a little about how the heart works. Listen up! It is a hollow muscle, with four chambers, the right atrium and the right ventricle, and the left atrium and the left ventricle. Oxygenated blood from the lungs flows to the left atrium while the right atrium is filling with blood laden with carbon dioxide from the body.

Very important here, on contraction of the atria, the blood is forced through valves into the ventricles. Then the major pumping action of the heart occurs. The ventricles forcefully contract, simultaneously sending the oxygenated blood to the various body parts by way of the aorta and the oxygen deficient blood to the lungs by way of the pulmonary artery.

While the blood is traveling through these chambers, the heart muscle itself is not benefited by this life-sustaining fluid. A comparison can be made with a gasoline truck. The truck does not derive its power from the gasoline that it is delivering to a customer. Rather, it is powered by the fuel that it obtains when it stops at service stations. This fuel is channeled through the fuel line to the truck’s engine.

Here's the kicker, similarly, it is not the blood passing through the heart chambers that delivers nourishment to the heart. No; but, rather, it is the blood that is pumped out from the heart and delivered back again by another route that feeds the heart. The key to the problem of heart attacks lies in these "fuel lines," or blood-delivery routes to the heart, my MASSMONTER Wannabees.

To CLOSE , blood leaving the heart is pumped into the body’s huge artery, the aorta. However, almost immediately much of this blood is channeled off into the two coronary arteries. In this way oxygen and chemical nutrients are carried to all parts of this most important muscle of the body. What happens, though, if there is an interference of blood flow through the coronary arteries?

Catch my drift? So then, it don't make a bit a difference in the world, if you want to weight, 300lbs, ripped or dipped! Keep the "fuel lines" in check and the muscle strong. Peace!



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[Hungry Hungarian]

Excellent post...

I'm curious to see the discussion on this. I would like to think that you are on to something, but as you know the majority is going to say the opposite... but I would like to see why. Do you think that carrying that much weight would lead to the heart disease that would eventually do one in?

 

[Oldlifter]

I'm curious to see the discussion on this. I would like to think that you are on to something, but as you know the majority is going to say the opposite... but I would like to see why. Do you think that carrying that much weight would lead to the heart disease that would eventually do one in?

IMHO, It depends on the food you eat. Not to mention, other varying factors, NOT RELATED TO calorie intake. I can go on and on and on about this, but right now, bro, I'm a little perturb, with what I'm hearing on this board.

I was told, this was the board. I was not told, this is a board, where "they" try to "downsize" a man, via propaganda, in hopes, of turning him into an AIDS RIDDEN VICTIM of starvation, look-a-like! But he'll be "lean". *LOL*

This BOARD is suppose to be for MUSCLES, AS MANY AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY GAIN, before your death. It is a crock of BULLS KETTLES TO propagate the notion you can only be x-amount bodyweight, and at a certain age, and if you don't leads to ill health!


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[kid1dakota]

The only thing proven at this time to lenghen life span is a low calorie diet(1,200 cals per day).The World health organization did a long long thorough study on this.
Being 300 lb mass monster you wouldn't be on a low cal diet,quite the opposite.

 

[Oldlifter]

The only thing proven at this time to lenghen life span is a low calorie diet(1,200 cals per day).The World health organization did a long long thorough study on this.
Being 300 lb mass monster you wouldn't be on a low cal diet,quite the opposite.

They are not God, are they?


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[scrapper13]

its a fact that taller people tend to live shorter lives than people of average height, even if they are not overweight. the reason is because they have more mass(weight) and their organs have to work harder...so yes body weight most definitely affects longevity, regardless of whether that weight is muscle or fat

 

[Oldlifter]

The only thing proven at this time to lenghen life span is a low calorie diet(1,200 cals per day).The World health organization did a long long thorough study on this.
Being 300 lb mass monster you wouldn't be on a low cal diet,quite the opposite.

Also, why do low-weight, low-caloried, starved, AIDS LOOK-A-LIKES, have the same average death rate?


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[aeliop]

How well is that "old ticker" going to keep humming along covered in Fat?

 

[Oldlifter]

How well is that "old ticker" going to keep humming along covered in Fat?

What's that got to do with body weight? You still haven't answered my question about "eggwhites".


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[kid1dakota]

They are not God, are they?


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Nope not god,but in chiro school in 2002 I did a project on Aging and did lots of research and thats what I found. Only proven thing to increase lifespan was low a calorie diet.And to be more specific around 1,200 cals per day.The rate of all disease (including heart) was lower in these people.
Now of course they were not bodybuilders.

 

[aeliop]

What's that got to do with body weight? You still haven't answered my question about "eggwhites".
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Are we talking about a guy of normal height that weighs 300LBS. Give me the scenerio, height, weight, age, how he got to that weight?

Egg whites? Egg whites int claims that their pasteruzation process heats the whites up 134 degrees killing the avidim. So according to them you can drink them and get all the protein. I can't dispute their claims with any facts but I know one way to be sure. Crack an egg and cook the whites and eat the yolk raw.

 

[Oldlifter]

Nope not god,but in chiro school in 2002 I did a project on Aging and did lots of research and thats what I found. Only proven thing to increase lifespan was low a calorie diet.And to be more specific around 1,200 cals per day.The rate of all disease (including heart) was lower in these people.

Holy starve-my-ice to death, Kid1! that wouldn't even feed my pecker (no phun intended, pekkerwood)! much less the mass I desire to carry. I can see why! You would starve to death, before catching anything! You honestly don't believe this do you?

Now of course they were not bodybuilders.

Also, why do lower weight people die around the same average age?


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[kid1dakota]

Heres a quick one Fom JAMA on weight change and heart disease.Relevant due to the fact the 300 lb. mass monsters are always bulking and cutting.


Change in Body Weight and Longevity

I-Min Lee, MBBS, ScD; Ralph S. Paffenbarger, Jr, MD, DrPH


JAMA. 1992;268(15):2045-2049.


Abstract

Objective.
—To investigate the effect of body weight change on longevity.

Design.
—Cohort analytic study, following men from 1977 through 1988.

Setting.
—The study was conducted among Harvard University alumni with mean age of 58 years.

Patients.
—Alumni, free of cardiovascular disease and cancer, completed questionnaires on weight, height, cigarette habit, and physical activities in 1962 or 1966 and in 1977 (n=11 703). We assessed weight change between questionnaires, based on self-reported weights.

Main Outcome Measure.
—Mortality from all causes (n=1441), coronary heart disease (n=345), and cancer (n=459), determined from death certificates.

Results.
—Lowest all-cause mortality was among alumni maintaining stable weight (±1 kg). With this category as referent (relative risk=1.00), relative risks of death associated with losing more than 5 kg, losing between 1 and 5 kg, (more than 1 kg and up to 5 kg) gaining between 1 and 5 kg (more than 1 kg and up to 5 kg), and gaining more than 5 kg were 1.57 (95% confidence interval, 1.34 to 1.84), 1.26 (1.10 to 1.46), 1.06 (0.90 to 1.24), and 1.36 (1.11 to 1.66), respectively. For coronary heart disease mortality, relative risks were 1.75 (1.26 to 2.43), 1.43 (1.05 to 1.93), 1.28 (0.91 to 1.80), and 2.01 (1.36 to 2.97), respectively. Weight change did not predict cancer mortality. Findings were not explained by cigarette habit, physical activity, or body mass index. We observed similar trends for follow-up between 1977 and 1982 and between 1983 and 1988. Those losing or gaining more weight also reported greater total lifetime weight loss, which may indicate weight cycling.

Conclusions.
—Both body weight loss and weight gain are associated with significantly increased mortality from all causes and from coronary heart disease but not from cancer.

(JAMA. 1992;268:2045-2049)

 

[Oldlifter]

Are we talking about a guy of normal height that weighs 300LBS. Give me the scenerio, height, weight, age, how he got to that weight?

Egg whites? Egg whites int claims that their pasteruzation process heats the whites up 134 degrees killing the avidim. So according to them you can drink them and get all the protein. I can't dispute their claims with any facts but I know one way to be sure. Crack an egg and cook the whites and eat the yolk raw.

*LOL*. Ok, bro. thanks for the info. You make your own scenario up, and we will go from there. I'm not bias, ALL of you are allowed in my thread, and by jove, you say whatever you want! *LOL*


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[Oldlifter]

Heres a quick one Fom JAMA on weight change and heart disease.Relevant due to the fact the 300 lb. mass monsters are always bulking and cutting.


Change in Body Weight and Longevity

I-Min Lee, MBBS, ScD; Ralph S. Paffenbarger, Jr, MD, DrPH


JAMA. 1992;268(15):2045-2049.


Abstract

Objective.
—To investigate the effect of body weight change on longevity.

Design.
—Cohort analytic study, following men from 1977 through 1988.

Setting.
—The study was conducted among Harvard University alumni with mean age of 58 years.

Patients.
—Alumni, free of cardiovascular disease and cancer, completed questionnaires on weight, height, cigarette habit, and physical activities in 1962 or 1966 and in 1977 (n=11 703). We assessed weight change between questionnaires, based on self-reported weights.

Main Outcome Measure.
—Mortality from all causes (n=1441), coronary heart disease (n=345), and cancer (n=459), determined from death certificates.

Results.
—Lowest all-cause mortality was among alumni maintaining stable weight (±1 kg). With this category as referent (relative risk=1.00), relative risks of death associated with losing more than 5 kg, losing between 1 and 5 kg, (more than 1 kg and up to 5 kg) gaining between 1 and 5 kg (more than 1 kg and up to 5 kg), and gaining more than 5 kg were 1.57 (95% confidence interval, 1.34 to 1.84), 1.26 (1.10 to 1.46), 1.06 (0.90 to 1.24), and 1.36 (1.11 to 1.66), respectively. For coronary heart disease mortality, relative risks were 1.75 (1.26 to 2.43), 1.43 (1.05 to 1.93), 1.28 (0.91 to 1.80), and 2.01 (1.36 to 2.97), respectively. Weight change did not predict cancer mortality. Findings were not explained by cigarette habit, physical activity, or body mass index. We observed similar trends for follow-up between 1977 and 1982 and between 1983 and 1988. Those losing or gaining more weight also reported greater total lifetime weight loss, which may indicate weight cycling. Conclusions.
—Both body weight loss and weight gain are associated with significantly increased mortality from all causes and from coronary heart disease but not from cancer.

(JAMA. 1992;268:2045-2049)

ha ha. Thanks for the article.

 

[kid1dakota]

You bolded physical activity to discard the results of the study? It wasn't a study conducted on the affects of exercise. I don't know what to say man,you seem set in your beliefs.

 

[gyno]

I can't believe a question like this is even being asked.OldLifter, I want to know if you have ever seriously spent time on pubmed? Have you even taken an hour or two to research that which you are asking? This is just kind of outlandish...

 

[ericraven2003]

The stress of carrying 300lbs(or even 250lbs) of ripped muscle should be evident, by huffing and puffing bb's that can barely make it off stage. Its just not healthy, especially if you are in your 30's or above, too carry huge amounts of weight. No matter if the weight is fat or muscle. It seems that would just be common sense and its a heart attack in the making.

We all have our opinions.

 

[gears]

Oldlifter, I like you and I like your spirit, but I believe that your desire to find the conclusions that you are wanting to find are clouding your judgment and thus, making some of your opinions irrational. Keep in mind that I'm not calling you wrong or calling you out. I just think that you are trying to rationalize being big and older...and refusing to believe that there's a detrimental effect on the human body for being both at the same time. The heart has to work harder the bigger the person that it belongs to, is...be it from fat, bone, muscle, organs, or any amalgam forthwith. This is just a fact. Are there skinny people with heart problems? Yep. Is this the norm? Nope.

The heart, circulatory system, and the blood supply to the heart are MUCH more complicated than you described. We all do steroids. That's pretty much why we are here. However, as benign as steroids are in moderate doses, they do have negative side effects...especially in larger dosages. One of which is raising our cholesterol levels. Over time, this has an effect on most people. There are a lot of older guys who act like there's a force field around the cardio equipment.

Personally, I hate doing cardio (I'm 42), but a couple of years ago, I felt it was time to start worrying about my overall health and stop worrying about impressing the teenage boys by being "that big dude" in the gym. I saddled up on the elliptical and the treadmill and you know what? I look and feel better than I ever have. I carry a lot less fat...I don't get winded when I climb 3 flights of stairs...and I can take off my shirt and not look stupid (which being huge looks like to most people).

I will leave you with this. Why is it that you rarely, if ever, see a large old person? You'll see a lot of big people who LOOK old.

 

[ericraven2003]

Oldlifter, I like you and I like your spirit, but I believe that your desire to find the conclusions that you are wanting to find are clouding your judgment and thus, making some of your opinions irrational. Keep in mind that I'm not calling you wrong or calling you out. I just think that you are trying to rationalize being big and older...and refusing to believe that there's a detrimental effect on the human body for being both at the same time. The heart has to work harder the bigger the person that it belongs to, is...be it from fat, bone, muscle, organs, or any amalgam forthwith. This is just a fact. Are there skinny people with heart problems? Yep. Is this the norm? Nope.

The heart, circulatory system, and the blood supply to the heart are MUCH more complicated than you described. We all do steroids. That's pretty much why we are here. However, as benign as steroids are in moderate doses, they do have negative side effects...especially in larger dosages. One of which is raising our cholesterol levels. Over time, this has an effect on most people. There are a lot of older guys who act like there's a force field around the cardio equipment.

Personally, I hate doing cardio (I'm 42), but a couple of years ago, I felt it was time to start worrying about my overall health and stop worrying about impressing the teenage boys by being "that big dude" in the gym. I saddled up on the elliptical and the treadmill and you know what? I look and feel better than I ever have. I carry a lot less fat...I don't get winded when I climb 3 flights of stairs...and I can take off my shirt and not look stupid (which being huge looks like to most people).

I will leave you with this. Why is it that you rarely, if ever, see a large old person? You'll see a lot of big people who LOOK old.

Spot on. Bigger is not better as we get older.