Of these 2 cycles which would be better?

[azjosho]

This is my 2nd cycle. I am a runner first, and weight lifter second right now (first cycle was opposite). I'm training to run another marathon but I only do them for fun and to finish, not time. Got a wedding coming up that I want to look great for and have a hard time getting that extra edge in the gym with the amount of running I do.

OPTION 1
*Weeks 1-10
Test Cyp - 200mg twice a week
Primo - 100mg twice a week
Also, weeks 1-8 would be on Creatine
PCT - aromasin, trib, nolvadex

OPTION 2
*Weeks 1-10
Test Cyp - 400mg
Anavar - 30mg a day
Also, weeks 1-8 would be on Creatine
PCT - armasin, trib, nolvadex

I'm 200 pounds I'd say about 18% body fat (I took the winter off running, usually trim up pretty quickly now that I am in full on running mode)

Also, if I could easily throw in 50 50mg winstrol tabs to one of these should I and how?

 

[drob29]

This is my 2nd cycle. I am a runner first, and weight lifter second right now (first cycle was opposite). I'm training to run another marathon but I only do them for fun and to finish, not time. Got a wedding coming up that I want to look great for and have a hard time getting that extra edge in the gym with the amount of running I do......

You need to decide what you want to do, either run or put on size because you cant do both. And trying to "look good for your wedding" is not a good reason to run a cycle.

Please post

age
ht
wt
bf%
lift history / current training split
diet
goal (be specific)

Thanks and welcome to the board.

Edit: I re read you post and saw this

I'm 200 pounds I'd say about 18% body fat (I took the winter off running, usually trim up pretty quickly now that I am in full on running mode)....

at 18% I would advise you to drop your BF to below 12 before you do any AAS. Also, IMO if you think your 18% your probably 20%. If your goal is to look like your a muscular 195 lbs at 8% bf for your wedding then your screwed, unless your wedding is 9-12 months away. But please post up the rest of what I asked for.

 

[azjosho]

age 30
ht 6'00"
wt 205
bf% 18ish

lift history / current training split
12 years lifting off and on - but only last 6 years knowing what I am doing. In my teens and before the 12 years of lifting I boxed but did not have a serious weight training program.

in general i do...
Monday - recovery run --- chest, tri's
Tuesday - recovery run --- legs
Wednesday - recovery run --- back, abs, bi's
thursday - medium run --- no weights
friday - no run --- shoulders & extra stretching
saturday - long run (14-20 miles)
sunday - walk & extra stretching

RECOVERY RUN= very light run just to get blood flowing and recover and get ready for long saturday runs. I barely break a sweat.

DIET = Right now I am coming off a winter break which I have gained some weight so I target between 1800-2200 calories and always try to hit a minimum of 200 grams of protein so I don't lose muscle. I adjust carb intake depending on how much I am running in a given week. I don't keep track of my fat intake but I add flax or olive oil to shakes and food to make sure I am getting the good ones. The type of carbs I eat also depends on how much I am running in a given week. My heavy running weeks start in the next few weeks so I will be upping the calories and if on gear I would significantly up the protein as well.

This would be my 2nd cycle. Last one was 4 1/2 years ago. I gained 25 pounds on my first cycle of test and deca and my strength gains were crazy. I have no desire to have that type of gain right now.

Now that I in my "running season" I find that I lose or plateau with my gains in the gym. Typically I will drop down to about 185 to 190 for the marathon without trying but I would like to keep my current weight around the same this time and bring up my lean mass.

Please throw the image of what you think a typical runner looks like out the window because I am about 35 pounds heavier than serious runners my height.

 

[azjosho]

and thanks for the reply

 

[azjosho]

I would guess I am actually closer to 15% bf than 20%. I know most people are way off when they estimate this so I usually add a few percentage to what I think I am. I've got calipers and think 18% is on the safe side.

Wedding is 4 months away. My mileage for running is going to be 40-50 miles per week at the beginning of May. Fat just sheds away when eating right at that mileage. I just want to be making some lean mass gains while I am doing that and feel that AAS will help me out a lot. I don't expect 8% bf.

 

[aeliop]

This is my 2nd cycle. I am a runner first, and weight lifter second right now (first cycle was opposite). I'm training to run another marathon but I only do them for fun and to finish, not time. Got a wedding coming up that I want to look great for and have a hard time getting that extra edge in the gym with the amount of running I do.

OPTION 1
*Weeks 1-10
Test Cyp - 200mg twice a week
Primo - 100mg twice a week
Also, weeks 1-8 would be on Creatine
PCT - aromasin, trib, nolvadex

OPTION 2
*Weeks 1-10
Test Cyp - 400mg
Anavar - 30mg a day
Also, weeks 1-8 would be on Creatine
PCT - armasin, trib, nolvadex

I'm 200 pounds I'd say about 18% body fat (I took the winter off running, usually trim up pretty quickly now that I am in full on running mode)

Also, if I could easily throw in 50 50mg winstrol tabs to one of these should I and how?

No Winstrol you are not lean enough.
You are not lean enough for Option 1 and the Primo.

Option #2 minus the Anavar with a much improved diet plan so you can be leaner. Reduce the weekly amount Cyp in half and add it to length of cycle..ie
20 weeks @ 200mg and scrap the PC not needed most times and especially if doing a smaller steadier cycle.

 

[drob29]

No Winstrol you are not lean enough.

AGREED

You are not lean enough for Option 1 and the Primo.

AGREED

Option #2 minus the Anavar with a much improved diet plan so you can be leaner.

AGREED

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I agree with the above, but not this:

Reduce the weekly amount Cyp in half and add it to length of cycle..ie
20 weeks @ 200mg and scrap the PC not needed most times and especially if doing a smaller steadier cycle.

What? Thats just terrible advice IMO. Cutting the dose in half and doubling the length is not a good idea, Where did you get that from? . And not sure why you think 200 mgs of test at 20 weeks would require no PCT. If your nautral test production is "off" for 20 weeks, its off. And..... a 20 week cycle would not be for everyone. I like longer runs, but thats from my experience. I would never recommend a 20 week cycle to someone in the newbie section of the board without have some knowledge of them and having worked with them first.

azjosho, drop the var, keep the test where you have it, and go with that.

"my 2 cents"

 

[aeliop]

Well

I agree with the above, but not this:



What? Thats just terrible advice IMO. Cutting the dose in half and doubling the length is not a good idea, Where did you get that from? . And not sure why you think 200 mgs of test at 20 weeks would require no PCT. If your nautral test production is "off" for 20 weeks, its off. And..... a 20 week cycle would not be for everyone. I like longer runs, but thats from my experience. I would never recommend a 20 week cycle to someone in the newbie section of the board without have some knowledge of them and having worked with them first.

Just my opinion just like it is you're opinion that I have given him terrible advice. Where I got my opinion from is real life experience and from being around bodybuilding for awhile. I am sure that you're opinion is from the same. In my opinion PCT is not as important when using safe, steady, low dosages. Let you're natural Test come back naturally.

 

[drob29]

Just my opinion just like it is you're opinion that I have given him terrible advice. Where I got my opinion from is real life experience and from being around bodybuilding for awhile. I am sure that you're opinion is from the same. In my opinion PCT is not as important when using safe, steady, low dosages. Let you're natural Test come back naturally.

I can respect that, and I respect that you have been a member here a while as well.

I will say that I stick by what I said, that PCT on a longer cycle is just as important as a shorter cycle, and that recommending a 20 week cycle to a relatively new member whos stats and apparent knowledge of what they are getting into does not, IMO, say they are ready for a longer cycle, is unwarrented.

Thanks

 

[abolish the weak]

Definitely option #2 my man! And here is why. Being 18% bf right now, anavar will still help you where primo wont do shit, especially at only 200mg/wk. If your not going 350-400mg/wk on primo(and I say that as being bare minimum!!) your pissing your money away. Def go with the cyp and vars, make sure diet is in check and I think you could get some good results

 

[Big Bapper]

This is my 2nd cycle. I am a runner first, and weight lifter second right now (first cycle was opposite). I'm training to run another marathon but I only do them for fun and to finish, not time. Got a wedding coming up that I want to look great for and have a hard time getting that extra edge in the gym with the amount of running I do.

OPTION 1
*Weeks 1-10
Test Cyp - 200mg twice a week
Primo - 100mg twice a week
Also, weeks 1-8 would be on Creatine
PCT - aromasin, trib, nolvadex

OPTION 2
*Weeks 1-10
Test Cyp - 400mg
Anavar - 30mg a day
Also, weeks 1-8 would be on Creatine
PCT - armasin, trib, nolvadex

I'm 200 pounds I'd say about 18% body fat (I took the winter off running, usually trim up pretty quickly now that I am in full on running mode)

Also, if I could easily throw in 50 50mg winstrol tabs to one of these should I and how?

Option 2 but only run the anavar for 6 weeks. Then you could run the winstrol for 3 weeks after your last shot of test. Stop the winstrol on the thursday, start PCT on the Monday and use Clomid instead of aromisin.

 

[azjosho]

Thanks again guys. I have been back and forth for a couple months now, only recently though about the possibility of Primo but the Test/Var was what I was leaning towards.

However, on my first cycle of test/deca I did not like how I didn't know how each compound was affecting me individually. I also hardly did any cardio. With the amount I am doing now I think I will shed fat pretty quickly.

I'm gonna skip the var, save the winny and go with Test Cyp only for 11 weeks at about 350mg a week.

PCT - I already have Aromasin and want to avoid Clomid due to so many people reporting depression while using. I will have Nolvadex too. I am definitely NOT skipping PCT - even if this is considered a lighter cycle by most. I will just adjust dosages as necessary.

For PCT I was thinking?:
aromasin at 10mg (half a tab) per day for 3 weeks
novladex at 20mg per day for for 3 weeks (too much?)
creatine for 8 weeks
tribulus
all starting 18 days after last shot

Thanks again for your input.

 

[Big Bapper]

Depression is a side effect of clomid, if you get a bad effect from clomid you are correct dont use it. What you plan on doing now looks good and simple. So you be able to tell whats working and what is not.