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big b
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One last time I promise - Equigen
Im hoping the experienced guy's - moderator's &/or pro's can settle my paranoia. Ive been spending a bunch stocking up on Equigen (Equine GH). It's the only available GH in Australia I can find in quantity. I have'nt used previous (other than for the last week) and keep being told by a variety of people that because its equine Ive been ripped off and it wont work!
PLEASE can I get honest feedback. If Ive fucked up and bought crap Im a goose and need to deal. I just dont want to keep buying something which wont work.
LASTLY, I plan on using up to 20 iu a day, as its cheap, with 1000mg of test a week, 350mg stanazolol and cytomel and insulin. Am I on track?
Thanks guys you do a great job. I mean it. Its nice to have a honest opinion as opposed to the shit the dealers talk!
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03-16-2002 03:35 PM
Ozmrolympia
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Dealers talk shit to push their product. The real deal is that equigen does work and some say its the correct sequence HGH, some say it isnt. I dont know.
Mate i have used quite a bit of equigen over the years and so has BIGA and a few others. Its awesome stuff. I liked it, even though i would only use human grade from now on. remember it is an equine product, so know the risks. PM me for more details
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03-16-2002 03:59 PM
mikelittoris
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everything I've read about hgh says that equine gh only works on horses and human gh only works on humans-just a tidbit of info for you.
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03-16-2002 08:20 PM
Big A
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Right... so then Equigen must contain HGH as I can personally vouch, and so can many other people, that it works DAMN well!!! Either that or EGH works in humans...
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03-16-2002 10:25 PM
gibblet
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Is that stuff anything like the, i think it was Chinese GH?
It can cause all sorts of problems if it is, but you most likely know the risks because it seems with a dose of 20iu's a day thaqt you are not a beginner! LoL
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03-17-2002 01:18 AM
MikeS
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I know BigA was actually keeping track of sucess rates on this
product, it was like 45 of 47 guys were very happy with it. I trust BigA bigtime, so Im convinced its a good product!
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03-17-2002 08:12 AM
big b
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Equigen Mix
Do you guy's (Who've used product) mix it with sterile water. Mine did not come with a solution and sterile water is the recommended solution from dealer, who also talks shit 90% of the time.
Also Im currently using two boxes a week 76 iu pb, intending to move up to 3 boxes a week. This is a fair wack from what Im told. Is this overkill? Im intending to stay on 15 - 20 weeks. My no. 1 priority is to gain some permanent size, as I do cycle off gear for months on end and have been losing a bunch of muscle (115kg down to 100kg), despite using clomid, hcg, tribulus, creatine, the usual suspects.
Also having trouble sourcing insulin in Australia as its on script. Anyone know an online source. Email me on [email protected].
Thanks again. Im finally comfortable taking advice which is down to this board.
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03-17-2002 08:54 AM
Big A
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Firstly, which one have you got? It comes in 3 strengths - 30IU(10mg), 210IU (70mg) and 1050IU(350mg) per vial, 10 vials per small box, 4 small boxes per big box.
You need to use sterile injection water only, definetely not BA water. It says that in the package insert too. Equigen doesn't come with any water at all.
That count that MikeS was talking about. I haven't kept track of it in months. Last it got to, from memory, there was about 45 or so people that loved it and 4 that didn't like it at all. Also, did those 4 use it properly. Even so, that ratio is better than of any other product I know off. There was also a guy, Big Guns I think that together with his mate Casper Milktoast had a website dedicated to Equigen, doing controlled studies, and they were showing pics of their results, etc. Can't remember the adie. But they were very happy with it.
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03-17-2002 11:53 AM
mike man
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The site
For Bigguns21 was taken down I guess. The last time I accessed it, he was into his 7th week I think. Later when I tried to get back on, all that came up was page not found. I had been on it numerous times before that and then it just disappeared. I think those guys were from bolex or the gade so you might want to post a question for them there.
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03-18-2002 05:50 AM
Big A
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Yes, I think geocities or whoever it was, took it down. I think bigguns21 was from UG.
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03-18-2002 08:49 AM
twatta
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???
if i only used 6 iu a day- would it be worth using at all. i read a column in muscular development by dave polumbo and he says all you need is 2-6ius a day. also dave dearth says he only used 2 ius a day. i just want it for fat burning and to keep my muscle gains. thanks coondog.
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03-22-2002 10:36 AM
Big A
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The average male releases about 4IU oer day. 2IU is a waste. GH works on the same feed back loop like testosterone. Most likely you would be better off just being without it that using only 2IU per day.
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03-22-2002 03:23 PM
CasperMilktoast
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My Equigen Thoughts
Big A must have a photographic memory to remember so many folks and minute details from months ago
Big A is right on all accounts: Bigguns21 and myself did a 14 week cycle late last year which incorporated Equigen @ 7-10 iu's per day.
We were taking 800mg of Propionate, and 400mg of EQ and 30-40mg of Anavar/day for anabolics. Bigguns used Insulin, I did not.
Bigguns21 went from 223 lbs to 242 lbs, and I went from 258 lbs to 283 lbs.
Neither of us are inexperienced users so those gains were VERY substantial.
Rather than debate Equigens' effectiveness, I'll just say that following that cycle we bought 20 more 70mg bottles (from a GREAT Australian source, too, by the way). That should speak for itself.
Oh, and as for the disappearance of Bigguns21's website...........he was posting pics of himself every couple of weeks. Around week 7 or 8 he had his wife take one and put it on the site. I had been telling him to get more of a full body shot so his legs and calves showed up well. In this pic, however, he was wearing just some ungodly gay looking boxers and, well, I called him up laughing my ass off...........next thing I know the site was gone! Touchy, touchy, touchy
Respectfully, Casper
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03-22-2002 08:32 PM
Jethro Tull
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Good info on the Gh.....
I haven't tried it yet..been saving money...I really want to hit it. All the information really helps fellas. Please keep posting your expiriences
Thanks.
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03-23-2002 01:01 AM
big b
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Thanks Casper & Big21's
Casper and Biggestguns21 thanks for that feedback. You've put my mind at rest. For once I feel being from OZ may not be such a bad thing, given equigen availability. The OZ source you refer to (if we're talkin the same player who is well known to Big A and this board) is a standup guy. He's helpin me out and I can vouch for him 100%.
My planned equigen course is 20 weeks. Is it dangerous to be using insulin and T3 for that length of time. This is a last ditch attempt for me to gain permanent size. Also because equigen expires 48 hours after reconstitution, Im using a 70mg bottle over the period to myself. Am I going to end up a diabetic neanderthal. You've probably gathered from this mail that I know shit about what Im doing, so any helps appreciated. Can I cut the T3 for periods? Am I better sticking to a 4 on, 3 off program? This flys in the face of what Im told, which is to stay on GH, T3 and slin for at least five months for permanent size.
THANKS IN ADVANCE FROM DOWN-UNDER!
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03-23-2002 04:47 PM
MikeS
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Ive thought about this and heres what Im doing. It does last for 3wks from what I know, not 48hrs. That is the typical life span of sterile water too, so that may be the limiting factor. If it was proper to mix with Bacterio water (its not), then Id imagine it would last longer-but not the case.
Im using a 210iu bottle :
Day 1-5 21 iu ED divided into several daily injects.
Day 6-17 off.
Day 18-21 21 iu ED.
So I do 2 5 day 'baths', with 11 days off between.
Will use T3 25-50mcg ED.
Will use glucophage (to combat insulin desensitivity caused by gh)-dont want to use slin at this point (I have before).
And I will probably get another bottle and do after 1mo off as before.
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03-24-2002 04:32 AM
CasperMilktoast
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I was told by a reliable source that when GH goes cloudy it's trash.
With that said, we used a bottle every 14 days and it was as clear at day 14 as it was when re-constituted. It may go as long as 21 days.......
Casper
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03-24-2002 07:16 AM
big b
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Equigen Flu
Has anyone experienced flu like symptons during their first week of Equigen use. I have 100% legit product, have been scrupulously clean and followed instructions. Began using subcanteously but experience extreme soreness, redness and swelling at the injection site. So began using intramuscularly and felt like I was coming down with a major flu within a couple of hours of the shot - very high temp etc. Had a break and started again, same reaction. Maybe this is an antibody reaction. ANYONE help as Im concerned re continuing use.
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03-26-2002 06:07 AM
Big A
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Never heard of anyone getting the 'flu'.
The redness is very common as some people are allergic to one of the opreservatives in it. To get around it you have to inject VERY slowly - 1IU of fluid, stop, 1IU of fluid, stop, etc. Also, get some Hirudoid cream from the pharmacy and rub it on after each shot.
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03-26-2002 08:40 AM
MikeS
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BigA how common of a problem is the redness/rash? It does occur from other brands too, so I figure if I didnt get it from those (nutropin/chinese gh) I probably wont get it with the equigen. And
frankly, I can live with a little rash!
BTW I have the flu and Im NOT on gh (yet) - you never know what the hell is causing something like that.
Big A
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It seems to be about 50/50 with the rash. But those that get the rash (myself included) can GREATLY minimise it by injecting VERY slowly. I inject so slow, most of the time I don't even get a rash. If I inject quick, I get it and it's sore.
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03-27-2002 11:05 AM
MikeS
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BIG A-
Thanks again for the usual sound advice...
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Sydney
Posts: 13
One last time I promise - Equigen
Im hoping the experienced guy's - moderator's &/or pro's can settle my paranoia. Ive been spending a bunch stocking up on Equigen (Equine GH). It's the only available GH in Australia I can find in quantity. I have'nt used previous (other than for the last week) and keep being told by a variety of people that because its equine Ive been ripped off and it wont work!
PLEASE can I get honest feedback. If Ive fucked up and bought crap Im a goose and need to deal. I just dont want to keep buying something which wont work.
LASTLY, I plan on using up to 20 iu a day, as its cheap, with 1000mg of test a week, 350mg stanazolol and cytomel and insulin. Am I on track?
Thanks guys you do a great job. I mean it. Its nice to have a honest opinion as opposed to the shit the dealers talk!
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03-16-2002 03:35 PM
Ozmrolympia
Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location:
Posts: 45
Dealers talk shit to push their product. The real deal is that equigen does work and some say its the correct sequence HGH, some say it isnt. I dont know.
Mate i have used quite a bit of equigen over the years and so has BIGA and a few others. Its awesome stuff. I liked it, even though i would only use human grade from now on. remember it is an equine product, so know the risks. PM me for more details
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03-16-2002 03:59 PM
mikelittoris
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everything I've read about hgh says that equine gh only works on horses and human gh only works on humans-just a tidbit of info for you.
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03-16-2002 08:20 PM
Big A
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Right... so then Equigen must contain HGH as I can personally vouch, and so can many other people, that it works DAMN well!!! Either that or EGH works in humans...
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03-16-2002 10:25 PM
gibblet
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...
Is that stuff anything like the, i think it was Chinese GH?
It can cause all sorts of problems if it is, but you most likely know the risks because it seems with a dose of 20iu's a day thaqt you are not a beginner! LoL
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03-17-2002 01:18 AM
MikeS
Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location:
Posts: 160
I know BigA was actually keeping track of sucess rates on this
product, it was like 45 of 47 guys were very happy with it. I trust BigA bigtime, so Im convinced its a good product!
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03-17-2002 08:12 AM
big b
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Sydney
Posts: 13
Equigen Mix
Do you guy's (Who've used product) mix it with sterile water. Mine did not come with a solution and sterile water is the recommended solution from dealer, who also talks shit 90% of the time.
Also Im currently using two boxes a week 76 iu pb, intending to move up to 3 boxes a week. This is a fair wack from what Im told. Is this overkill? Im intending to stay on 15 - 20 weeks. My no. 1 priority is to gain some permanent size, as I do cycle off gear for months on end and have been losing a bunch of muscle (115kg down to 100kg), despite using clomid, hcg, tribulus, creatine, the usual suspects.
Also having trouble sourcing insulin in Australia as its on script. Anyone know an online source. Email me on [email protected].
Thanks again. Im finally comfortable taking advice which is down to this board.
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03-17-2002 08:54 AM
Big A
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Firstly, which one have you got? It comes in 3 strengths - 30IU(10mg), 210IU (70mg) and 1050IU(350mg) per vial, 10 vials per small box, 4 small boxes per big box.
You need to use sterile injection water only, definetely not BA water. It says that in the package insert too. Equigen doesn't come with any water at all.
That count that MikeS was talking about. I haven't kept track of it in months. Last it got to, from memory, there was about 45 or so people that loved it and 4 that didn't like it at all. Also, did those 4 use it properly. Even so, that ratio is better than of any other product I know off. There was also a guy, Big Guns I think that together with his mate Casper Milktoast had a website dedicated to Equigen, doing controlled studies, and they were showing pics of their results, etc. Can't remember the adie. But they were very happy with it.
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03-17-2002 11:53 AM
mike man
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The site
For Bigguns21 was taken down I guess. The last time I accessed it, he was into his 7th week I think. Later when I tried to get back on, all that came up was page not found. I had been on it numerous times before that and then it just disappeared. I think those guys were from bolex or the gade so you might want to post a question for them there.
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03-18-2002 05:50 AM
Big A
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Yes, I think geocities or whoever it was, took it down. I think bigguns21 was from UG.
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03-18-2002 08:49 AM
twatta
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Location: nawlins baby
Posts: 3
???
if i only used 6 iu a day- would it be worth using at all. i read a column in muscular development by dave polumbo and he says all you need is 2-6ius a day. also dave dearth says he only used 2 ius a day. i just want it for fat burning and to keep my muscle gains. thanks coondog.
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03-22-2002 10:36 AM
Big A
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The average male releases about 4IU oer day. 2IU is a waste. GH works on the same feed back loop like testosterone. Most likely you would be better off just being without it that using only 2IU per day.
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03-22-2002 03:23 PM
CasperMilktoast
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Registered: Feb 2002
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My Equigen Thoughts
Big A must have a photographic memory to remember so many folks and minute details from months ago
Big A is right on all accounts: Bigguns21 and myself did a 14 week cycle late last year which incorporated Equigen @ 7-10 iu's per day.
We were taking 800mg of Propionate, and 400mg of EQ and 30-40mg of Anavar/day for anabolics. Bigguns used Insulin, I did not.
Bigguns21 went from 223 lbs to 242 lbs, and I went from 258 lbs to 283 lbs.
Neither of us are inexperienced users so those gains were VERY substantial.
Rather than debate Equigens' effectiveness, I'll just say that following that cycle we bought 20 more 70mg bottles (from a GREAT Australian source, too, by the way). That should speak for itself.
Oh, and as for the disappearance of Bigguns21's website...........he was posting pics of himself every couple of weeks. Around week 7 or 8 he had his wife take one and put it on the site. I had been telling him to get more of a full body shot so his legs and calves showed up well. In this pic, however, he was wearing just some ungodly gay looking boxers and, well, I called him up laughing my ass off...........next thing I know the site was gone! Touchy, touchy, touchy
Respectfully, Casper
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03-22-2002 08:32 PM
Jethro Tull
Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Montana
Posts: 76
Good info on the Gh.....
I haven't tried it yet..been saving money...I really want to hit it. All the information really helps fellas. Please keep posting your expiriences
Thanks.
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03-23-2002 01:01 AM
big b
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Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Sydney
Posts: 13
Thanks Casper & Big21's
Casper and Biggestguns21 thanks for that feedback. You've put my mind at rest. For once I feel being from OZ may not be such a bad thing, given equigen availability. The OZ source you refer to (if we're talkin the same player who is well known to Big A and this board) is a standup guy. He's helpin me out and I can vouch for him 100%.
My planned equigen course is 20 weeks. Is it dangerous to be using insulin and T3 for that length of time. This is a last ditch attempt for me to gain permanent size. Also because equigen expires 48 hours after reconstitution, Im using a 70mg bottle over the period to myself. Am I going to end up a diabetic neanderthal. You've probably gathered from this mail that I know shit about what Im doing, so any helps appreciated. Can I cut the T3 for periods? Am I better sticking to a 4 on, 3 off program? This flys in the face of what Im told, which is to stay on GH, T3 and slin for at least five months for permanent size.
THANKS IN ADVANCE FROM DOWN-UNDER!
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03-23-2002 04:47 PM
MikeS
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Ive thought about this and heres what Im doing. It does last for 3wks from what I know, not 48hrs. That is the typical life span of sterile water too, so that may be the limiting factor. If it was proper to mix with Bacterio water (its not), then Id imagine it would last longer-but not the case.
Im using a 210iu bottle :
Day 1-5 21 iu ED divided into several daily injects.
Day 6-17 off.
Day 18-21 21 iu ED.
So I do 2 5 day 'baths', with 11 days off between.
Will use T3 25-50mcg ED.
Will use glucophage (to combat insulin desensitivity caused by gh)-dont want to use slin at this point (I have before).
And I will probably get another bottle and do after 1mo off as before.
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03-24-2002 04:32 AM
CasperMilktoast
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I was told by a reliable source that when GH goes cloudy it's trash.
With that said, we used a bottle every 14 days and it was as clear at day 14 as it was when re-constituted. It may go as long as 21 days.......
Casper
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03-24-2002 07:16 AM
big b
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Equigen Flu
Has anyone experienced flu like symptons during their first week of Equigen use. I have 100% legit product, have been scrupulously clean and followed instructions. Began using subcanteously but experience extreme soreness, redness and swelling at the injection site. So began using intramuscularly and felt like I was coming down with a major flu within a couple of hours of the shot - very high temp etc. Had a break and started again, same reaction. Maybe this is an antibody reaction. ANYONE help as Im concerned re continuing use.
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03-26-2002 06:07 AM
Big A
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Never heard of anyone getting the 'flu'.
The redness is very common as some people are allergic to one of the opreservatives in it. To get around it you have to inject VERY slowly - 1IU of fluid, stop, 1IU of fluid, stop, etc. Also, get some Hirudoid cream from the pharmacy and rub it on after each shot.
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03-26-2002 08:40 AM
MikeS
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Registered: Jan 2002
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BigA how common of a problem is the redness/rash? It does occur from other brands too, so I figure if I didnt get it from those (nutropin/chinese gh) I probably wont get it with the equigen. And
frankly, I can live with a little rash!
BTW I have the flu and Im NOT on gh (yet) - you never know what the hell is causing something like that.
Big A
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Registered: Oct 2001
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It seems to be about 50/50 with the rash. But those that get the rash (myself included) can GREATLY minimise it by injecting VERY slowly. I inject so slow, most of the time I don't even get a rash. If I inject quick, I get it and it's sore.
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03-27-2002 11:05 AM
MikeS
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BIG A-
Thanks again for the usual sound advice...
