oral cycle

[nottobig]

I know that an all oral cycle is a bad idea but I have a question. I have a friend who is interested in using ASS but wants to get his feet wet before trying injectables, so he was thinking an all oral first. He was thinking of running

weeks 1-10 Anavar 50mgs/day
weeks 4-10 winstrol 50mgs/day

PCT week 11- 40mgs nolva/100mgs clomid
week 12- 20mgs nolva/50 mgs clomid
week 13- 20mgs nolva/20 mgs clomid

Would this be any good and what could you expect from this being his first time? Thanks

 

[mailbox]

Ten weeks in my mind seems like a really long time to run any oral even though he has picked milder steroids. I do agree with newbies staying away from test and other stronger steroids for the simple fact that they can make good gains without these drugs in the beginning. Opinions will vary however. I would still advise against this cycle. Maybe start with some IM EQ and some oral winny for 4-5 weeks.

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[xcelbeyond]

Test should be the base for ALL cycles. For his first, it could be in the 200-250mg/wk not a gram. I like anavar but have NEVER done over 30mg ED. He's like almost every newbie out there (including myself) - who'll do anything but poke themself. He needs to do his homework so he can get the MOST from his virgin cycle rather than taking a run at it.

It's akin to sex. Should he do a girl or just masturbate until he gets it right

 

[DOGMA]

I did a cycle allmost exactly as you described and the results were very good. I liked it very much. Lean , Strong and moderate weight gain. I reccomend blood work about week 8 to see if the Stanazolol is stressing your liver. Its harsher on the liver than most think.

Once the compound is in your system your body does not know the difference between an oral compound or depot.

To say ALL oral cycles are wothless and no good is just dumb. Now with that said you must also understand esters, halflives and a compounds effective duration in the body and effects on liver, kidney's, HDL'S and LDL's ect to get the most out of any cycle, but one should know this prior to injesting any drug anyway.

 

[xcelbeyond]

Does your friend know that all steroids are NOT the same - oral or injectible?

Does he know he's taking all anabolics without any androgens and why he should or shouldn't?

Does he know that a 17aa oral is harder on your liver than an injectible. It does a double pass through the liver vs single pass for injectible - once from ingesting/digestion and another pass from when it's in the bloodstream.

 

[Steak Helmet]

I agree...>TEST< should be the base of all cycles. Plus this is his frist time...he would benefit more from 200 to 500mgs of test.

has he been training long??
how old??

he needs to someone to poke him a couple times...trust me he will laugh at how easy it is....needles are so sharp you only feel a small pinch if anything at all...it is all mental.

 

[supersized25]

mild but still toxic

That is alot of orals for your liver and kidneys to break down for quite a long time. Every new user tries to get around the needles. Listen to steakhelmet, test injectables, especially for the first cycle will give him big gains and believe it or not is much easier on the body. good luck

 

[simplyjakked]

Test should be the base for ALL cycles.

thats it keep it low and def add test!