Masters cycle

[tornquad201]

Curious to what masters are taking dose wise that compete in 60 and up division

 

[whacked]

Same

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[hawkmoon]

This will be highly individual as everyone will find their health encounters increasing variability as they age.
Common sense would dictate being much more conservative.

If I had a 60+ master's client I'd be very cautious and want to know every available health marker.
In most cases orals would be completely off-limits. Some test and GH and an additional anabolic at modest doses.

I'll be 55 soon and am seriously considering competing again next year.
Part of my goal will be to run minimal gear, both for health and to prove a point.

 

[SlipKnot7]

I share the sentiment with what has been mentioned. IMHO, i'm an advocate of lower dosages of clean anabolics ( long acting test esters, primo, masteron, etc ) and hgh. And avoiding anything hard on the body or on the blood pressure.

As advised, blood work and organ / cardiovascular supplementation is important. Also taking breaks to detox ( do not gas all year round, but for trt and maybe hgh ). It's totally misplaced to treat your body is if it's 25 on the pro level, unless you have a death wish ;-)

 

[KingOfSushi]

I share the sentiment with what has been mentioned. IMHO, i'm an advocate of lower dosages of clean anabolics ( long acting test esters, primo, masteron, etc ) and hgh. And avoiding anything hard on the body or on the blood pressure.

As advised, blood work and organ / cardiovascular supplementation is important. Also taking breaks to detox ( do not gas all year round, but for trt and maybe hgh ). It's totally misplaced to treat your body is if it's 25 on the pro level, unless you have a death wish ;-)

Can you expand on what a “clean anabolic” is

 

[SlipKnot7]

It's not an obscure term is it ? ....

Mostly 1/ As close to pharma grade as possible.... and 2/ Minimal in undesired side effects or stress on the body...

In other words, things not called anadrol, dianabol, or tren.

 

[KingOfSushi]

It's not an obscure term is it ? ....

Mostly 1/ As close to pharma grade as possible.... and 2/ Minimal in undesired side effects or stress on the body...

In other words, things not called anadrol, dianabol, or tren.

Clean? Maybe not “obscure” but definitely vague.

And I’m glad I specified what you meant as your first point in being close to pharma is definitely not something that would come to mind in my opinion for most.

 

[SlipKnot7]

Ok, well, then call me old school.

As that was a commonly understood & conventional term ( at least in those days .... ), but i have no issue with walking others through the details or breaking things down.

FWIW, the 1st thing i would think of when someone uses the term "clean" for anything pharmacologically related ( or with a drug generally... ) would be regarding it's purity. It surprises me TBH how anyone else would interpret that differently...

 

[SlipKnot7]

They are taking the same high dosages

they are ?!? over 60+ Masters !?!?!

I'm sure they exist, but the claim they all do is highly doubtful ( especially the ones that are still alive today )...

 

[Sectør]

Can you expand on what a “clean anabolic” is

He injects soap into his testosterone vials. Keeps it clean, and It’s 10x more anabolic that way

 

[traininsane11]

Not 60’s but 50’s - Paul Barnett (anabolic bodybuilding) and he ran 1g test, 1g primo, 1g mast and upwards of 18iu of gh I believe for his pro card prep

 

[gib68sg]

They are taking the same high dosages

Almost there brother…just a few more posts

 

[SlipKnot7]

He injects soap into his testosterone vials. Keeps it clean, and It’s 10x more anabolic that way

 

[SlipKnot7]

Not 60’s but 50’s - Paul Barnett (anabolic bodybuilding) and he ran 1g test, 1g primo, 1g mast and upwards of 18iu of gh I believe for his pro card prep

True, and similarly, plenty of over 35/40 Masters are running similar dosages & cycles.... I was under the impression that 60+ masters is of primary interest:

Curious to what masters are taking dose wise that compete in 60 and up division

That aside, one should expect cycles to vary broadly depending on both the age and competitive level.

 

[KingOfSushi]

FWIW, the 1st thing i would think of when someone uses the term "clean" for anything pharmacologically related ( or with a drug generally... ) would be regarding it's purity. It surprises me TBH how anyone else would interpret that differently...

Maybe it’s because you’re old school. Not sure if you’ve been out of the game a little while or anything, but getting high quality gear from UGLs is very accessible these days. Quality standards are higher than ever.

 

[tommyguns2]

I'm almost 58 years old. I haven't competed recently, but if I were to compete at 60+ I would start with complete bloodwork to make sure everything is OK to begin. I would use a 20 week+ prep so that there are opportunities for refeeds and CNS recovery, and have the time to go low and slow. The biggest guy at 60+ likely isn't the winner, the best conditioned 60+ guy likely is. (If Levrone shows up or someone similar, it's still likely true as his conditioning will be good, and... well, you're screwed anyways, LOL)

Regarding PEDs. I'd likely start at reasonable amounts, and the doses would likely titrate up slowly during the prep. You want to have the fat loss slow and steady, and keep muscle loss at zero (in a perfect world).

Something like this is what I'm thinking:
weeks: 14 - 20
Test C or Sus: 400-600mg/wk
NPP or EQ: 300-500mg/wk
GH: as much as you can afford and as much as your body will tolerate w.r.t. BG

Weeks 6/8 - 14
Test C or Sus: 600-800mg/wk
Primo: 600-800mg/wk
GH: as much as possible

Weeks 1-6/8
Test C or Sus (weeks 4-8) 600-800mg/wk, prop (weeks 1-4) 300-450mg/wk
Mast P: 300mg/wk
Tren A: 150mg/wk
GH: as much as possible. drop it the last week

Final 2 weeks: add oral winstrol 100mg/day

I pulled those numbers out of my butt, but I think they're reasonable. Could bring the doses down 100-200mg/wk in the weeks 8-20.

Bloodwork every 6 weeks. And good diet is most important. Gear can't work miracles when your diet is subpar.

 

[SlipKnot7]

I'm almost 58 years old. I haven't competed recently, but if I were to compete at 60+ I would start with complete bloodwork to make sure everything is OK to begin. I would use a 20 week+ prep so that there are opportunities for refeeds and CNS recovery, and have the time to go low and slow. The biggest guy at 60+ likely isn't the winner, the best conditioned 60+ guy likely is. (If Levrone shows up or someone similar, it's still likely true as his conditioning will be good, and... well, you're screwed anyways, LOL)

Regarding PEDs. I'd likely start at reasonable amounts, and the doses would likely titrate up slowly during the prep. You want to have the fat loss slow and steady, and keep muscle loss at zero (in a perfect world).

Something like this is what I'm thinking:
weeks: 14 - 20
Test C or Sus: 400-600mg/wk
NPP or EQ: 300-500mg/wk
GH: as much as you can afford and as much as your body will tolerate w.r.t. BG

Weeks 6/8 - 14
Test C or Sus: 600-800mg/wk
Primo: 600-800mg/wk
GH: as much as possible

Weeks 1-6/8
Test C or Sus (weeks 4-8) 600-800mg/wk, prop (weeks 1-4) 300-450mg/wk
Mast P: 300mg/wk
Tren A: 150mg/wk
GH: as much as possible. drop it the last week

Final 2 weeks: add oral winstrol 100mg/day

I pulled those numbers out of my butt, but I think they're reasonable. Could bring the doses down 100-200mg/wk in the weeks 8-20.

Bloodwork every 6 weeks. And good diet is most important. Gear can't work miracles when your diet is subpar.

thanks , solid protocol.

 

[EFShadow]

It's not an obscure term is it ? ....

Mostly 1/ As close to pharma grade as possible.... and 2/ Minimal in undesired side effects or stress on the body...

In other words, things not called anadrol, dianabol, or tren.

Yep.

This seems to be very common - gram of test, gram of primo and a gram of Masteron. Gh as high as can be tolerated.
Drop injectables and turn to high dose winny 10 days out.

 

[luki7788]

I recommend watching a podcast with @Skip the gentlemen raise exactly the topic you are interested in

 

[SlipKnot7]

Yep.

This seems to be very common - gram of test, gram of primo and a gram of Masteron. Gh as high as can be tolerated.
Drop injectables and turn to high dose winny 10 days out.

agreed, that's a solid protocol.