over 40, 1. cycle, sust dbol, comments appreciated!

[body4sin]

hi there @ professionalmuscle

i've always been into sports, martial arts mainly. i'm in very good overall condition, run a lot, hit the gym 4times a week and keep my diet healthy.

am 44, 5.5ft (170cm), 176lb (80kg)

now i'm curious to learn from first hand experience how a cycle can boost my system. have read a lot online, talked to some in the gym and came up with the following cycle. would appreciate some comments... thnx in advance

week 01-16 - sust 250mg e5d
week 01-05 - dbol starting week 1 20mg/day, w2-4 30mg/d, w5 20mg/d
week 14-17 - dbol 20mg/d
week 16-20 - clomid starting w16 50mg eod, w17 50mg/d, w18 100mg/d, w19 50mg/d, w20 50mg eod
throughout - nolvadex if needed

cheers b4s

 

[EasyEJL]

A few things, whats your desired goal here?

E5 days removes some of the pluses of sustanon, as its partially made on short ester testosterone. every other day would be better if thats possible.

Dbol at the front can make sense for a bulk, but a little less sense at the end (although there are some potential benefits)

I'd consider using some form of aromatase inhibitor as well on this cycle.

Starting PCT after last injection isn't quite necessary as there are some longer estered testosterones in sustanon, so 2 weeks after last injection would make sense.

finally 16 weeks is probably too long for first cycle, and likely too long without using HCG during cycle. Not that i'm saying thats universally true, but at your age your natural levels are already in their decline so its better not to take the chance.

 

[BigCracker]

Most guys would recommend a single ester test only for a first run, not a 4 ester test and an oral.

Personally I'm not keen on doing an oral 16 weeks straight at any age.

Just my 2cc's.

 

[body4sin]

A few things, whats your desired goal here?

main goal is to gain some considerable amount of strength and mass. am not afraid of water retention as i'm not competing anymore.

and yeah, i read about the sust components and the need for eod pinning to ensure steady levels. only, a friend of mine used sust 500mg e5d, gained very nicely and felt only minor side effects and very little water retention.
there seem to bee so many opinions and personal experiences around which often seem to differ, it's somewhat confusing to the beginner

your right about the duration - thought i could get away with 16 weeks without someone telling me it was to long

thanks 4 the inputs

 

[body4sin]

Personally I'm not keen on doing an oral 16 weeks straight at any age.

why wouldn't you use an oral in a first cycle?

btw, didn't intend to go 16 weeks on d-bol.

"only" weeks 01-05 to kickstart before test-e levels are up and raving,
and 14-17 for a second peek and therefore maximum gains.

7 weeks should be pause enough for my liver to bee ready to be hit again, don't u think?

thnxs 4 the comment

 

[BigCracker]

Using a single compound on a 1st run like test enanthate allows one to see how there body reacts to AAS. If you take multiple esters and an oral it's more difficult to tell what's causing any negative side effects you may incur. This opinion of mine is based solely on the 411 you have given. If your bodyfat is above 10% you're gonna become puffy on the dbol too-which has it's benefits to some degree-but may raise your blood pressure more than you'd like it to.

Personally I'd rather see you run test enanthate only at 400mgs/wk for 10 wks for your first run, but I'm 42yrs old. I grew on 200mgs a week of test cypionate(about the same as enanthate) for many years.

The younger generation seems to like to use more compounds and higher mgs than I'd recommend, so if you wait long enough surely someone on this thread will tell you to go for it as planned.

 

[kid1dakota]

I would run it 10 or 12 weeks.Test is good.Drop the dbol at the end,just use first 4 or 5 weeks for kick. you also may need an AI.then pct.
usually first cycle is one compound and build each cycle.you want to see how you react to each compound individually.take it slowwww.safer less sides and more longevity.