PCT Question

[JJDADOG]

I hope that I dont get Ripped a part for this but....I am running low on my PCT Of Novaldex and wanted to know if i can run Gaspari Nutrition Novedex XT in its place.....

"IF HE DIES....HE DIES..."

 

[Mash1]

What was your cycle?

Nolvadex is a SERM, Novedex-XT is an AI by the way. Not the same thing.

 

[JJDADOG]

What was your cycle?

Nolvadex is a SERM, Novedex-XT is an AI by the way. Not the same thing.

1-8 test e 750
1-8 deca 750

8- untill done gh 2ius 5/2

9-11 test e 500
9-11 deca 500

12-14 test e 250

I think i am going to run test e for 250 a week till i run out

 

[Mash1]

Well...

I can only tell you scientifically speaking what you need to do...which would be run just SERM, but I'll let some of the older guys with cycle experience voice their input.

but no I don't think that's going to work.....put VERY, VERY briefly your nolva that your running now is a compound that acts on your estrogen receptors. They prevent estrogen from exerting their celluar effects.

An AI like novedex, letrozole, etc...prevents the aromatase enzyme from acting on testosterone and converting the test into estrogen. AIs are good PCT though as they help raise test levels, but they deplete estrogen.

SERMs block estrogen from acting on certain sites on your body, while AIs prevent your body from synthesizing estrogen. They are very different substances.






Sooooo there's some breif scientifically stated info. I think it's going to be bad if you do that though as when you go to AI, ESPECIALLY an ATD based AI you are going to destroy almost ALL of you estrogen which is not good when your trying to get your HPTA back in balance.

but like I said...I'll let the older guys speak.

***ALSO please ANYBODY correct me if I'm mistaken with any of this. I always like to make sure I've got my facts straight.

 

[JJDADOG]

I can only tell you scientifically speaking what you need to do...which would be run just SERM, but I'll let some of the older guys with cycle experience voice their input.

but no I don't think that's going to work.....put VERY, VERY briefly your nolva that your running now is a compound that acts on your estrogen receptors. They prevent estrogen from exerting their celluar effects.

An AI like novedex, letrozole, etc...prevents the aromatase enzyme from acting on testosterone and converting the test into estrogen. AIs are good PCT though as they help raise test levels, but they deplete estrogen.

SERMs block estrogen from acting on certain sites on your body, while AIs prevent your body from synthesizing estrogen. They are very different substances.






Sooooo there's some breif scientifically stated info. I think it's going to be bad if you do that though as when you go to AI, ESPECIALLY an ATD based AI you are going to destroy almost ALL of you estrogen which is not good when your trying to get your HPTA back in balance.

but like I said...I'll let the older guys speak.

***ALSO please ANYBODY correct me if I'm mistaken with any of this. I always like to make sure I've got my facts straight.

Mash Thanks for the help I will just have to stick with the real Nolvadex
Thanks

 

[Mash1]

Also....


Tamoxifen that your running is also GREAT because it only blocks the estrogen in breast tissue...but allows it to still be active in other tissues. Which is why it's great for PCT.


*again correct me if I'm wrong anyone.

 

[Swifto]

Also....


Tamoxifen that your running is also GREAT because it only blocks the estrogen in breast tissue...but allows it to still be active in other tissues. Which is why it's great for PCT.


*again correct me if I'm wrong anyone.

Your spot on Mash.

AI's work by changing the T:E ratio, by lowering estrogen, the body will increase endogenous testosterone. It should be noted that AI's arnt always needed during PCT, if estrogen has been kept in normal ranges during the cycle.

Lowering estrogen too much can bring its own sides. Like, loss of labido, sore joints, bad cholesterol and damaging the CNS. This is why I never suggest using AI's during PCT, if ones been used on cycle. (One could also warrant an AI's use during PCT to avoid an estrogenic rebound too though.)

SERM's act by inhibiting estrogen at the hypothalamus and Clomid and Torm seem to be the most active here, hence their first choice in many PCT protocols now.

A simple PCT of a combination of SERM's will usually work and well at that.

I'd suggest Torm, Clomid and Tamoxifen to be your first port of call during PCT.

The doses would be:

Clomid 25-50mg/ED
Tamox 20mg/ED
Torm 60-120mg/ED

All ran until recovered (bloodworks needed) or around 5-6 weeks.

 

[Mash1]

Your spot on Mash.

AI's work by changing the T:E ratio, by lowering estrogen, the body will increase endogenous testosterone. It should be noted that AI's arnt always needed during PCT, if estrogen has been kept in normal ranges during the cycle.

Lowering estrogen too much can bring its own sides. Like, loss of labido, sore joints, bad cholesterol and damaging the CNS. This is why I never suggest using AI's during PCT, if ones been used on cycle. (One could also warrant an AI's use during PCT to avoid an estrogenic rebound too though.)

SERM's act by inhibiting estrogen at the hypothalamus and Clomid and Torm seem to be the most active here, hence their first choice in many PCT protocols now.

A simple PCT of a combination of SERM's will usually work and well at that.

I'd suggest Torm, Clomid and Tamoxifen to be your first port of call during PCT.

The doses would be:

Clomid 25-50mg/ED
Tamox 20mg/ED
Torm 60-120mg/ED

All ran until recovered (bloodworks needed) or around 5-6 weeks.

I was hoping I was!!

I really wish more people would read up on stuff like this. I'm only 18 and have no interest in actually cycling for YEARS. I think it's never too early to learn something, but it can always be too late.