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Protein Consumption...Interesting

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ALEX HUTCHINSON

From Friday's Globe and Mail

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May 8, 2009 at 9:35 AM EDT

Alex Hutchinson draws on the latest research to answer your fitness and workout questions in this biweekly column on the science of sport.

THE QUESTION

Do I need to quaff protein shakes and powders if I want to gain muscle?

THE ANSWER


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It's a pretty safe bet that the guy at the gym who is built like a tree trunk and bench-presses the entire rack also has an enormous barrel of protein powder tucked into his gym bag. This, you might think, is a pretty good endorsement of the "you've got to eat muscle to build muscle" school of thought.

But correlation is not the same as causation.

"It's hard to argue against years of practice that apparently works," says Stuart Phillips, a McMaster University researcher who studies protein needs in athletes. "The real question is, do they gain [muscle] because of what they do or in spite of what they do?"

On this basic question, athletes and scientists remain deeply divided. But there is increasing consensus on a range of related issues, such as when we need protein and what type is best.

At McMaster and elsewhere, researchers have spent years conducting careful studies of how much protein exercisers can actually use. By tracking nitrogen, which is found in protein but not in carbohydrates or fat, they can determine whether their subjects are building muscle, losing muscle or holding steady.

"We monitor the food going in and collect the poop, pee and sweat going out," explains Mark Tarnopolsky, one of Dr. Phillips's colleagues.

Surprisingly - but consistently - the results show that even serious athletes process only marginally more protein than their sedentary peers, and far less than the megadoses recommended by muscle magazines. Novice weightlifters use the most protein, since they are adding muscle most rapidly, while veteran bodybuilders use less despite their enormous muscles.

So, whose advice will you take: the egghead in the lab or the muscle-head in the gym?

Given the limitations of current research techniques, a middle path is likely most appropriate, Dr. Phillips says. While current dietary guidelines in Canada and the United States suggest consuming0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass daily, there is reasonable evidence that 1.1 grams is appropriate for serious endurance athletes and 1.3 grams for serious strength athletes.

Even those amounts are below the 1.6 grams per kilogram of body mass that average Canadians tend to eat daily when their diet is unrestricted, Dr. Tarnopolsky says. That means an ordinary, balanced diet should easily meet your needs - unless you're restricting calories to lose weight. In that case, higher protein intakes (35 per cent of calories instead of 15 per cent, for example) combined with resistance training appear to help maintain muscle mass while overall mass drops.

Timing also matters: You'll build muscle more effectively if you take in protein within about an hour of finishing your workout. The optimal post-workout dose is about 20 grams, according to a McMaster study in the January issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. That's equivalent to about 600 millilitres of skim milk, four medium eggs or 80 grams of cooked beef. Powders, shakes and bars offer a convenient way to get this right after a workout - but then again, so does a tuna sandwich.

In the end, if you decide to side with the gym rats and supersize your protein shakes, it's unlikely to do much harm.

"The extra protein will, for the record, not pack your kidneys in and will not destroy your bones," Dr. Phillips says.

The main drawback is that, by taking too much protein, you might end up not getting enough of the carbohydrates that are crucial to performance in both endurance and strength athletes - and that risk should be enough to keep any smart athlete from overdoing the protein.
 
Thanks!

Very interesting study. I believe that what the magazines recommend is a little over the top, but what isnt over the top in this sport? they say 1.3 g/KG? The magazines say 2 G/LB! Even if we are a little over the top, who cares? Id rather get more than i need, just in case.. Its somewhat of a mental thing for me anyway. Most of my calories come from proteins and fats anyway.

Very interesting read though, thanks again :)
 
Great post ! Thanks for sharing that article.
 
I used to do the 1 gram per lb of bodyweight, I let it go. I mean when your laying out $100 every two months for protein you have to wonder if it's doing much. I think whey is important, but one shake post workout is enough I feel. I think casien is good for evening just b/c is digests slow and keeps some protein around if your body decided it needs some. If I gained 25 grams of muscle for every 25 grams of protein I consumed I might feel different. You have to figure, since that is NOT the case your body cannot possibly be using all that.
 
I have always gained on about 1 gram per pound of lean body mass.Many think that is too low,but if carbs and healthy fats are present the protein is able to do its job of repair and build.
 
Yea, interesting read.. I've read similar studies - and I've also read about how BB'ers recommend the 2-3 grams per lb.. I drink 3 protein shakes a day with milk, but it's not cuz I'm keeping track of and calculating each gram of protein - it's just cuz I want the added calories supplementing my diet since I'm really lean.. In the end, I figure I take in roughly 1.5g per lb, which is overkill according to the studies - but like I said it's just for the calories.. And I'd rather the extra calories be protein, as opposed to extra carbs or fat.. And since my metabolism is so high (apparently), if I'm not taking in as many calories as I can, I simply will not gain weight..
 
Very interesting study. I believe that what the magazines recommend is a little over the top, but what isnt over the top in this sport? they say 1.3 g/KG? The magazines say 2 G/LB!

Mags would propably advice you to do 5g/lb if the protein supplement companies would offer them more money for advertising.On the other hand 1.3g/kg might be on the lower end;)
 
What about the quality of the powders vs actual foods? most powders have bcaa's and some even have glutamine and a handfull of quality carbs.. Most real foods dont contain a full amino profile and if your cutting out red meats u need glutamine.. I drink one with every meal and when restricting sugars they are a nice taste.
 
Flexican- you can combine whole foods for a complete amino acid profile. Although, you are still limited by the "limiting amino acid".

Some of you guys crack me up with this, "I don't need more than a g/LB" non-sense. Especially considering what board we are on, what most people here use...which increases protein synthesis SIGNIFICANTLY. Hmmm...I wonder why Dante who recommends 1.5g/lb for naturals, and 2g/lb for guys who are on, has never, not once failed to produce a monster of a bodybuilder.

It's posts like these that make me thankful that I chose to go as far as I did off of food and training before I ever even considered gear.
 
I'm getting just under 2g/lb of body weight (500g/ed at 270lbs) with 100-125gms of fats from EVOO , red meat and almonds and the carbs are low in the 40-50g/d range making my calorie intake in the 3000-3200 range, I don't appear to be loosing any muscle but definatly loosing fat so its gotta be doing somthing positive

I've seen guys train their ass off and make steady gains then add another 50-60% increase in protine (to roughly 1.5g/lb body weight) and suddly make great gains.

I think that all else being equal 1g/lb of body weight would make a decient dose providing that you were getting alot of good carbs and fats
 

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