this thread is def going in the right direction... my question may have been a little misleading but as toopowerful said yes simplified how are they able to stay on gh and slin to hold size while dieting down... the fact that they are able to come in soo lean holding their size raised this question in my mind for a long time... its soo hard to get under 5% and keep your muscles bellies looking full... i guess im still learning my body!