RON PAUL LEADING THE STRAM VOTE

[PHIL HERNON]

YES!! THATS STRAW VOTE!!!

 

[notus]

YES!! THATS STRAW VOTE!!!

Good I will be voting for him!

 

[street]

I am an Australian and would like to follow what is happening.
What is a Straw vote and is that like a pre election public poll?

What party does Ron Paul represent ,I think Bush's party is the same as our countries Liberal party (Down with Bush's party the criminal) and how does this relate to the other parties ? I know of the republicans ,democrats and I think there is another .

Do you think Ron Paul can really make a difference in a system that has become so perverted with greed for control and power?

Do you guys know of USA's role in the pakistan assasination apparently bush has backed the general whos side is responsible for the death in the election as well as the party arresting all of its oponents(just terrible),hence they are supporting corruption it sems like Iraq all over again.

 

[the_warrior]

Street,

The Republican Party is the conservative party in American politics, and it is worth remembering that Bush and John Howard have had a good working relationship over the last 7 years.

Also, to be honest, I cannot but take some small measure of offense at your suggestion that the American political system is corrupt. I find it difficult to believe that the United States is unique in that the psyches of its politicians include motives of self-aggrandizement. We should always keep in mind that it is a rare man who does not seek to do good, a politician who does believe he is working towards the common good. We can disagree over what IS the common good, but it is a mistake and a common one to reduce our opponents to pure evil , to base all your motives in greed, nepotism and whatever pejorative term you can conjure. It is a great deal more respectful as well as realistic to assume that they are in essence men like ourselves: striving towards the good perhaps succeeding, perhaps failing.

 

[LEX]

Street,

The Republican Party is the conservative party in American politics, and it is worth remembering that Bush and John Howard have had a good working relationship over the last 7 years.

Also, to be honest, I cannot but take some small measure of offense at your suggestion that the American political system is corrupt. I find it difficult to believe that the United States is unique in that the psyches of its politicians include motives of self-aggrandizement. We should always keep in mind that it is a rare man who does not seek to do good, a politician who does believe he is working towards the common good. We can disagree over what IS the common good, but it is a mistake and a common one to reduce our opponents to pure evil , to base all your motives in greed, nepotism and whatever pejorative term you can conjure. It is a great deal more respectful as well as realistic to assume that they are in essence men like ourselves: striving towards the good perhaps succeeding, perhaps failing.

are you saying that our political system isnt corrupt?

 

[Tom]

sorry but...

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[VNV]

bush, cheney, rice and a whole lot of others should be tried and executed as war criminals.

I second that!

 

[LATS]

EXECUTED?.. come on guys.. i dont care for what bush has done but, many in the past have also gotten us into wars that were underserving of our attention.. and until proven without a doubt that a war crime has been committed.. lets not be here on the public board saying that rice, cheney ect should be executed.. jailed? hhhmmm... but, then ya would have to jail everyone who voted for the war.. that would only leave RON PAUL.. hhhmmm AGAIN..

 

[Tom]

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so as to not get this thread locked or moved to discuss world issues i have edited my post. also out of respect for phil who started this thread not intending it to go in this direction.

 

[ferd]

This country is a Republic, not a Democracy. We should elect people that we feel will represent what the majority of the (legal) citizens want. It doesn't always turn out like everyone hoped for, but you will never find an issue that everyone agrees on. Sometimes you agree, sometimes you don't. That's what elections are for. A changing of the guard. For now, it's still the best counrty in this world.

I think (hope) Ron Paul's limited success will open the eyes of many politicians and government officials, that a great many people, at least those who do not feed at the government trough, are sick and tired of government intrusion into their everyday life. I may not agree with him on all issues, but he is dead on with many.

 

[-OC-]

It's so sad

This country is a Republic, not a Democracy. We should elect people that we feel will represent what the majority of the (legal) citizens want. It doesn't always turn out like everyone hoped for, but you will never find an issue that everyone agrees on. Sometimes you agree, sometimes you don't. That's what elections are for. A changing of the guard. For now, it's still the best counrty in this world.

I think (hope) Ron Paul's limited success will open the eyes of many politicians and government officials, that a great many people, at least those who do not feed at the government trough, are sick and tired of government intrusion into their everyday life. I may not agree with him on all issues, but he is dead on with many.

That so many people are still drinking the "Cool Aid". Got news for ya, this country has/is turning fascist, I think Ron put it as "Soft fascism". And as far as being the "Best country", yeah I'll give you best at domination of recourses, and bending of peoples will through military power, but as far as best to live in? I'd recommend some travel plans and expand your knowledge of the world. There are many countries that enjoy universal gun ownership, no income or property tax, and wow health care for their population (Because they don't have to fund a huge war machine and the "Group" that owns them). I am sorry, I love this country, but it has become so "In your face" with corruption, and perverted from the founders principles that this country was built on. And unfortunately people (For survival) are living this rat race giving half they own and make to a government that only cares about their cronies that have pushed this society of "consumption without thinking". Hopefully in the years ahead people will wake up (It has to happen soon), because really if we stay on this track this dynasties days are numbered.

And as far as how "Limited" Ron Paul’s support is, we won’t know the true extent of his support because what you’re getting is government / Zio controlled media. I mean Ron said just the other day, if he got elected he'd disband the Fed Bank and stop aid to Israel. After making statements like that, do you really think you're going to get any news about Ron with any merit from "Mainstream media? I hope that cool aid aint that strong.

 

[LATS]

loo, i love my country but, i have friends in england who would not live here for anything.. they have much more "freedom" and rights in england.. they dont feel the need to throw people in jail for various minor offenses ect.. we diffinitely dont have the freedom we used to.. it is not a republican or deomcrat thing since the parties have basically merged and one really cant tell the difference anymore.. it is the whole ideology.. they own us.. that is their belief..

 

[ferd]

That so many people are still drinking the "Cool Aid". Got news for ya, this country has/is turning fascist, I think Ron put it as "Soft fascism". And as far as being the "Best country", yeah I'll give you best at domination of recourses, and bending of peoples will through military power, but as far as best to live in? I'd recommend some travel plans and expand your knowledge of the world. There are many countries that enjoy universal gun ownership, no income or property tax, and wow health care for their population (Because they don't have to fund a huge war machine and the "Group" that owns them). I am sorry, I love this country, but it has become so "In your face" with corruption, and perverted from the founders principles that this country was built on. And unfortunately people (For survival) are living this rat race giving half they own and make to a government that only cares about their cronies that have pushed this society of "consumption without thinking". Hopefully in the years ahead people will wake up (It has to happen soon), because really if we stay on this track this dynasties days are numbered.

And as far as how "Limited" Ron Paul’s support is, we won’t know the true extent of his support because what you’re getting is government / Zio controlled media. I mean Ron said just the other day, if he got elected he'd disband the Fed Bank and stop aid to Israel. After making statements like that, do you really think you're going to get any news about Ron with any merit from "Mainstream media? I hope that cool aid aint that strong.

I am far from a "cool aid" drinker. I too feel that the road we are traveling will soon lead, sadly, to our downfall. I feel the bending of peoples will is a result of all the government "give away" programs. Afterall, who is going to vote against someone that suggests an end to any government program. EG. free health care. These things come at a price. More taxes.

Let me buy my healthcare, stop killing me with so many taxes, let me fund my retirement, let me care for my elderly parents, leave me alone.

 

[-OC-]

What I really meant

I am far from a "cool aid" drinker. I too feel that the road we are traveling will soon lead, sadly, to our downfall. I feel the bending of peoples will is a result of all the government "give away" programs. Afterall, who is going to vote against someone that suggests an end to any government program. EG. free health care. These things come at a price. More taxes.

Let me buy my healthcare, stop killing me with so many taxes, let me fund my retirement, let me care for my elderly parents, leave me alone.

Well that would work if you had the CASH to pay every time you had a medical concern. But I'm sure you are talking about buying medical coverage, but unfortunately that comes down to a big corporation (The Insurance Co.) deciding if you 'Need" that life saving surgery. And you know what happens there if there is ANY way they can wriggle out of paying, right? DENIED
I hate big government also, but I'd really feel better with some sort of Govt. oversight in this matter.
I think if you pull back the BILLIONS propping up this massively bloated military complex we have, giving over a trillion since the 60's to a mid east state that draws us into all kinds of trouble (But things like that keep the bloated program above going), and start a dialogue of friendship and trade instead of domination and forced ideology, I think taxes would come down, and the Govt. programs that work can stay. I mean really, all the taxes collected can't keep our entire population minimally covered, come on.

 

[ferd]

Well that would work if you had the CASH to pay every time you had a medical concern. But I'm sure you are talking about buying medical coverage, but unfortunately that comes down to a big corporation (The Insurance Co.) deciding if you 'Need" that life saving surgery. And you know what happens there if there is ANY way they can wriggle out of paying, right? DENIED
I hate big government also, but I'd really feel better with some sort of Govt. oversight in this matter.
I think if you pull back the BILLIONS propping up this massively bloated military complex we have, giving over a trillion since the 60's to a mid east state that draws us into all kinds of trouble (But things like that keep the bloated program above going), and start a dialogue of friendship and trade instead of domination and forced ideology, I think taxes would come down, and the Govt. programs that work can stay. I mean really, all the taxes collected can't keep our entire population minimally covered, come on.

If you actually work and draw a paycheck, have you looked at the taxes that are withheld. Your employer also pays the additional 7.65% in SS and MC. That would free up a lot of funds for you to shop around for a healthcare provider. When some fanaic asshole finally desides to set one off in this counry, and it will happen, I hope none of those you care about are in the area.

 

[-OC-]

lol

If you actually work and draw a paycheck, have you looked at the taxes that are withheld. Your employer also pays the additional 7.65% in SS and MC. That would free up a lot of funds for you to shop around for a healthcare provider. When some fanaic asshole finally desides to set one off in this counry, and it will happen, I hope none of those you care about are in the area.

Yeah I have ferd, but still I know it wouldn't be perfect if the Govt. controlled my healthcare, but handing it over to private company with shareholders and CEO's retirement package feels just a little colder to me. Halliburton medical insurance, lol, I'll pass. Oh, and you forgot about the property tax, excise tax from goods, tariffs etc etc. And still no universal heath care. Keep trying bud, a lotta moneys being squandered somewhere, and those earmarks, and Govt programs "Conservatives", and you keep harping on are probably just small tip of the iceberg. And the SS my employer and I are paying is really going to be there when it's time? Guess we can print that out of thin air or borrow it from China, but I'm not counting on it. Oh and I can tell your about outta patience with your little dig, ("Actually work" Total right winger jab, lol) no need to get worked up. And the fanatic asshole thing, maybe we killed that "fanatic assholes" ENTIRE family in his or her country. Would that make him a little less "Assy"? Killing is killing (And it's wrong) the ideology or motive makes no difference...

 

[ALLEX]

Back to Ron Paul. Have you donated yet? Are you doing anything to help his campaign, like speaking to others or maybe buying stickers and giving them away in the supermarket's parking lot? Or maybe to the neighbors? I am...

 

[ALLEX]

For now, it's still the best counrty in this world.

I don't mean disrespect nor saying US isn't great, but where exactly have you lived overseas so you can compare?

 

[bigwags]

I just wanted to let anyone in the Detroit area that Ron Paul’s campaign office is at Telegraph and 7 mile.

 

[MrDeflation]

YES!! THATS STRAW VOTE!!!

sorry.. I dont understand

"With attendance of 33,000 and votes cast by more than 14,000, Republican party officials called the 2007 Iowa Straw Poll a resounding success. No one was more pleased than Governor Mitt Romney who received 4,516 votes to win the Straw Poll."

http://www.iowagop.net/straw.poll.asp


Ron Paul wasnt even close