site injection pain....add a local??

[alan1973]

anyone ever consider adding a local anesthetic deal with site injection pain?
are maybe even later when it starts to really hurt.

 

[mike1107]

buy some new gears bro

 

[cpesloco]

adding a local is a poor choice. Try cutting your gear with another oil first. That has worked for me everytime. If issue still persists then try heating the oil or adding some ba.

 

[Quad-smack]

adding a local is a poor choice. Try cutting your gear with another oil first. That has worked for me everytime. If issue still persists then try heating the oil or adding some ba.

BA is more than likely the problem. That or really nasty gear.
Mike1107 had it right - get some new gear OR if your budget doesn't allow - cut it with some sterile oil...

 

[mike1107]

the problem is I have seen him on here suffering for a while and I know what it's like when u arrive to the point where u want to use a local anesthesic, it means that ur stuff have a HIGH BA content ... and in this case nothing helped me, even when I cut the oils with cootonseed or whatever else

a local anesthesic wil help with injection pain but when the effect goes away, the pain will remain here

there is nothing u can do but switch to non painful stuff

just my .02.

 

[oldfella]

Mike is correct. The local will only dull the pain for the shot. The pain you are feeling is the muscle being irritated from the solvent. BA is usually the one that hurts the most. In high dose gear 300 and up mg/ml they use ba to suspend the compound at higher concetrations or it will crash. This irritates the muscle making it very sore. Not a lot you can do!

 

[oldfella]

My best mate and former pro once got some test suspension. Injected 5 ml into his left glute. later that afternoon he could hardly walk he siad the pain was so bad. He tried swallowing some heavy duty pain killers and they did dull the pain but as soon as they wore off he said it was much worse. It was the pure test that did this as true suspension is in water. It irritated the hell out of the muscle. He ave me the rest of his suspension and sais you have it I can't handle that shit. I only did one ml and OMG, I felt like I was kicked in the ass by a fucking horse, I could not imagine 5 mls!!!!! I just threw the rest of it out. Nothing is worth that kind of suffering.

 

[hellraiser27]

the problem is I have seen him on here suffering for a while and I know what it's like when u arrive to the point where u want to use a local anesthesic, it means that ur stuff have a HIGH BA content ... and in this case nothing helped me, even when I cut the oils with cootonseed or whatever else

a local anesthesic wil help with injection pain but when the effect goes away, the pain will remain here

there is nothing u can do but switch to non painful stuff

just my .02.

Agreed. I know from experience. And I kept using it thinking "it won't hurt this time".

It hurt everytime and I would get flu-like symptoms. After 30ml of this stuff I finally bought new gear.
No pain! But I had to be hard headed and think there was a different answer. Now I keep asking myself why I didn't switch sooner.

Its hard to make gains and push the limits in the gym when you fell like shit and it feels like someone kicked you in the ass with a steel-toed boot!

 

[alan1973]

well, I am having a hard time to fine cottonseed oil that is both sterile and filtered. at 400mg of test e/ml, I am sure it is the BA.
I may just toss it and go back to stealth.

 

[mike1107]

well, I am having a hard time to fine cottonseed oil that is both sterile and filtered. at 400mg of test e/ml, I am sure it is the BA.
I may just toss it and go back to stealth.

over 300mg/ml test E kills me

concentration too high bro

 

[cpesloco]

Mike is correct. The local will only dull the pain for the shot. The pain you are feeling is the muscle being irritated from the solvent. BA is usually the one that hurts the most. In high dose gear 300 and up mg/ml they use ba to suspend the compound at higher concetrations or it will crash. This irritates the muscle making it very sore. Not a lot you can do!

BB/EO ect is used for higher concentration not BA. FYI

All of this pain and swelling that last for weeks is not from BA. If you don't believe me do the #'s

I don't have my calculator with me, so this is off of memory. I will use Fina as an example but they mostly all convert the same.

in a batch of 80ml fina at 3% ba, so you pull 2.4cc of ba

divide that by 80ml =. 03 of ba per ml

inject that in you and tell me if it turns red and you have pain for a week. It will not. sure it will sting and have a mild reaction but that's it.

the pain and swelling is from the product itself. In the brewer's world this topic has been pin pointed to the product that made the gear. Some people have reactions from it and some don't. There are things you can do to minimize the reactions also, i.e add sterile oil ect..

just thought I would pass that along since the topic comes up all the time.
Cp

 

[parrajm]

do a google search for USP grade oils and see what comes up if you're looking for oil to cut your gear with. I get tons of results that way. Some people will tell you food grade is good enough but for an extra couple bucks why worry about it. i mean, its going into your muscle so, by my standards, this isn't a good place to start getting cheap.

 

[alan1973]

do a google search for USP grade oils and see what comes up if you're looking for oil to cut your gear with. I get tons of results that way. Some people will tell you food grade is good enough but for an extra couple bucks why worry about it. i mean, its going into your muscle so, by my standards, this isn't a good place to start getting cheap.

no such luck for anyone to ship sterile and filtered to APO.
i tried one other thing, injecting .25cc. so far 15 hours later no pain, is it that big of a difference between .5 and .25?

 

[hellraiser27]

no such luck for anyone to ship sterile and filtered to APO.
i tried one other thing, injecting .25cc. so far 15 hours later no pain, is it that big of a difference between .5 and .25?

Yes, but you may have found your answer. Split the injection up into a couple of injection sites. I do it all the time.

 

[loser]

homebrewers remorse

i feel your pain.


mixing it with some other gear and letting it sit overnight might help. it did for me.