Smart/Safer way to cycle?

[TRYN2]

Is there a smart or safer way to cycle? If so what are the suggestions and why?

With a few threads floating around of how much, or what do the pro' suse or Deca is bad for you?

I wanted to go further back to the actuall issue and ask, if there are safe ways to cycle what, in your opinion are they?

What would you use and why?

What would you take with it and why?

It would be nice if people who really don't have a clue not to fill this thread with noise. But, honestly what are they?

 

[SmallTownIron]

I am not as knowledgable on this as most of the others on here but I would be glad to toss in my .02 sense here.

First of all, bloodwork is something that should be done periodicly prior to starting a cycle to ensure that everything is in range.
As far as what to run, I think running a basic testosterone cycle is the safest and most popular cycles out there now. Running a moderate dose that is effective for the desired gains. However, ANYTHING that is abuse will end up tearing down the body and the side effects will increase.

If your going to use AAS, then I would suggest getting bloodwork done, using a dose that is low enough to see gain (more is not always better) and also not the abuse them.

Orals are a great thing to kick start a cycle, but are not needed and are actually more damaging to the body, mainly the liver,

 

[Johnny Smiles]

test only except for 6-8 weeks out from a show then add harder stuff (ie tren, winni, masteron, etc.) then once show is over go back to test only.
-JS

 

[dgarr21]

Johnnysmiles how much test do u use to gain muscle? How much to keep at cruise? If u do crusie and blast i mean...

 

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[Nssca]

No this bullshit that Deca is bad for you is Gov't sponsored studies that are geared to the anti-steroid mindset...see I knew this shit about deca would start. If you believe deca is bad for you then logic states you must also realize that all AAS in general is bad. Beer/Alcohol and Tobacco is far worse for your health yet there is no huge campaign against those.

 

[Oldlifter]

No this bullshit that Deca is bad for you is Gov't sponsored studies that are geared to the anti-steroid mindset...see I knew this shit about deca would start. If you believe deca is bad for you then logic states you must also realize that all AAS in general is bad. Beer/Alcohol and Tobacco is far worse for your health yet there is no huge campaign against those.

When will people ever learn? Good post!





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[dabeast75]

Short, sweet and simple

I have no advice for those who are pros and those who compete. They do what they do and are more advanced than me and will have other advice and opinions.

For everyone else i would say stick to SHORDER cycles. Max 8 weeks. Most
of the gaining stops after the first 6 weeks. Thats debatable since a lot of people also say that they dont "feel anything kicking until the 8th week" or something along those lines, which I can personally not account for. I feel it kick in within the first 2 weeks regardless of long or short-term esters. Sticking to shorter cycles = more gains, LESS SIDES and SHORDER RECOVERY TIME and easier and shorter PCT. Most of the extra gains after the 8th week are minimal in my opinion and easily lost during PCT.

Then I would say not doing extreme dosages. 1.5 grams a week or something along those lines is PLENTY. Read somewhere on here that somebody is doing a gram a week of deca alone..... do what you want but thats nuts in my opinion.

I would also say no blasting and/or cruising. Keep it simple.

 

[Johnny Smiles]

depends

Johnnysmiles how much test do u use to gain muscle? How much to keep at cruise? If u do crusie and blast i mean...

i would cruise on 250mg.
by just increasing the dose to 375mg i would begin to grow. i would then up the dose when i hit a plateau in size/strength. -JS

 

[Oldlifter]

What about Jay Cutler, Ronnie Coleman, etc.?

Do you guys think they will pay the price for using anabolics? Why haven't they suffered ill effects, or have they? Did they use deca in high dosages? How are they able to continue and yet not be affected by these 'so called' dangers of using anabolics. Curious to say the least?





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[ironjunkie]

No this bullshit that Deca is bad for you is Gov't sponsored studies that are geared to the anti-steroid mindset...see I knew this shit about deca would start. If you believe deca is bad for you then logic states you must also realize that all AAS in general is bad. Beer/Alcohol and Tobacco is far worse for your health yet there is no huge campaign against those.

I agree big time!

People read an article...one article and it gets blown out of proportion and people get scared and start posting threads like this. Some people believe everything and anything! I'm not saying not to consider what the article states...just take it under consideration is all....biggest point don't abuse high doses and/or for to long!

Fuck Eq thinkens the blood and gives you high BP! Is there going to be a post on that now! I would rather stay away from EQ because you have to use higher doses for it to work compared to deca!!!

When using ANY AAS one must consider any and all risk/side affects. There is nothing that is risk free...NOTHING!!! It's how you use it that can lessen the risk!!!

 

[LIPS]

Do you guys think they will pay the price for using anabolics? Why haven't they suffered ill effects, or have they? Did they use deca in high dosages? How are they able to continue and yet not be affected by these 'so called' dangers of using anabolics. Curious to say the least?





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Good question!...Anyone know the answer?...



Lips

 

[halflife]

i would cruise on 250mg.
by just increasing the dose to 375mg i would begin to grow. i would then up the dose when i hit a plateau in size/strength. -JS

So every blast you slowly tapper up the dose from 250?

Then go back to 250mg for cruise

 

[Oldlifter]

Do you guys think they will pay the price for using anabolics? Why haven't they suffered ill effects, or have they? Did they use deca in high dosages? How are they able to continue and yet not be affected by these 'so called' dangers of using anabolics. Curious to say the least?





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Anyone have an opinion on this?




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[LATS]

well. i am far from a fear monger in the use of steroids.. but, we wont know if ronnie or jay have ill effect for a while.. could sneak up on them later.. or may be not.. i believe that most of the ill effects by gear are by predisposition to a certain illness or condition.. many we see have a family history of a particular illness and gear usage could exaserbate these issues.. so, as example, if one has a genetic condition that effects the kidneys using various androgenics based gear that could raise the bp would not be advisable.. but, did gear really cause this??

in my opinion no.. gear has not done anything to anybody.. but the abuse of gear can.. as i have stated before.. i never want to hear or see another post saying "this is what steroids did to me".. instead it should be " this is what i did to myself using gear "... it is usually dose related.. but there are some examples where gear did have a bad effect for no apparent reason.. but this also happens to other drugs and medications and the press does not jump on this..

as for the deca issue i addressed that in the previous thread.. i dont believe that it is that bad.. there are numerous studies that show the positive effect of nandrolone.. but as for ronnie and jay again, they obviously have a great affinity for the compounds.. and so far, no known issues that we know of.. as soon as gear takes the lives of as many people as ibprofen or even alcohol then the press should jump on it.. until then...

 

[Ehren]

To the OP's question, I think "safe" is a question that is only relative to your goals;

For example, if a person would naturally be a 175lb man with 15% BF and his goal is to be a 280lb man with 5%BF and he's is not genetically predisposed to being so big, there is no "safe" cycle. He could run 250mg TE for 8 week cycles with 12 week recovery phases, forever and never reach his goal. For him, the lowest dose he could use to achieve his goal could be for (example) 2 grams a week for years. Still relatively safer than 4 grams, but far from what those outside the sport would call "safe".

I think non-competetive BBers have it far easier. They are allowed to set their own limits based on their needs/wants and achieve their goals without time pressure.

As far as safety at any dose, it makes sense to take every ancillary precaution possible, (liver aids, AI's, Dopaminergics, etc. ) in proportion to the amount of gear being taken. Spend some money to be as safe as possible.

 

[Oldlifter]

well. i am far from a fear monger in the use of steroids.. but, we wont know if ronnie or jay have ill effect for a while.. could sneak up on them later.. or may be not.. i believe that most of the ill effects by gear are by predisposition to a certain illness or condition.. many we see have a family history of a particular illness and gear usage could exaserbate these issues.. so, as example, if one has a genetic condition that effects the kidneys using various androgenics based gear that could raise the bp would not be advisable.. but, did gear really cause this??

Jay seems like a well rounded individual. He's been BB'ing for years. It would be hard to fathom for me, if Jay is indeed messing himself up with whatever he does. He doesn't seem like he would do that to himself. It leads me to believe that he is able to keep himself healthy and stay that way.

He strikes me as the type of person who would not sacrifice his body for any reason. So, this to me reflects that it is possible to utilize hormones/other products wisely without adverse side effects. there are allot of other bro's who I know, that are fine and dandy and have been using for years as well.

Maybe I'm wrong, but to me, it reinforces my notion that hormonal manipulation can indeed be utilized without hurting ones overall health if done wisely.

in my opinion no.. gear has not done anything to anybody.. but the abuse of gear can.. as i have stated before.. i never want to hear or see another post saying "this is what steroids did to me".. instead it should be " this is what i did to myself using gear "... it is usually dose related.. but there are some examples where gear did have a bad effect for no apparent reason.. but this also happens to other drugs and medications and the press does not jump on this..

Agree 100%. Thanks for you input bro!






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[kscowboy]

I have done more reading over the past 3 months about short cycles than i care to say. But from what i have read, FOR THE NON COMPETITIVE BODY BUILDER OR THE AVERAGE GYM RAT THAT JUST WANTS TO LOOK BIG, the short cycles are the way to go. Less sides, less bloat, less loss, faster recovery and so on. 4 week cycles are getting great reviews. Yeah you are not going to put on 20 lbs but you will put on 5 to 8 and keep all of it. When i use to do longer cycles (10 or 12 weeks) i would bloat up like a balloon and then loose a ton of my gains when i came off. But by using faster acting esters like prop, npp, d bol, etc.....You will start to feel it pretty fast and you dont get the bloat and all that loss. Currently i am on a 4 weeker of prop, var and NPP.

 

[isoc]

for safety, and not for gains maximizing, I think the old saying all things in moderation comes to mind. Test only 250-375mgs pre week (hrt or barely above), 8-10 weeks, hcg on cycle and while esters clear, nolva/clomid combo or toremifine for about 4-5 weeks pct (have heard this alone is as good as novla clomid together) and that is all. Only use ai's if have to combat sides, and then would probably opt for proviron unless gyno involved. And do this once per year, the rest of the time off time. That would be at most 17 weeks cycle+pct and 35 weeks off (10 weeks on +2 weeks for longer esters to clear + 5 weeks pct). Should give the body plenty of time to recover and still get a little "kick" from this next year. Problem is the temptation to add in other drugs and/or increase frequency. Honestly, how many of us would have the discipline to only do the above once a year? I honestly doubt I do and currently dont partake because of that. I would start with its only once per year and add on other aas. then it would get to twice a year, etc., etc. Not saying that these are bad things, but usage can get out of hand easily.

 

[j4ever]

well. i am far from a fear monger in the use of steroids.. but, we wont know if ronnie or jay have ill effect for a while.. could sneak up on them later.. or may be not.. i believe that most of the ill effects by gear are by predisposition to a certain illness or condition.. many we see have a family history of a particular illness and gear usage could exaserbate these issues.. so, as example, if one has a genetic condition that effects the kidneys using various androgenics based gear that could raise the bp would not be advisable.. but, did gear really cause this??

in my opinion no.. gear has not done anything to anybody.. but the abuse of gear can.. as i have stated before.. i never want to hear or see another post saying "this is what steroids did to me".. instead it should be " this is what i did to myself using gear "... it is usually dose related.. but there are some examples where gear did have a bad effect for no apparent reason.. but this also happens to other drugs and medications and the press does not jump on this..

as for the deca issue i addressed that in the previous thread.. i dont believe that it is that bad.. there are numerous studies that show the positive effect of nandrolone.. but as for ronnie and jay again, they obviously have a great affinity for the compounds.. and so far, no known issues that we know of.. as soon as gear takes the lives of as many people as ibprofen or even alcohol then the press should jump on it.. until then...

well said