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I've been off AAS for over a year now trying to have children. been running doctor prescribed HCG and clomid.. had test levles checked twice throughout the past year and they were 335 then 115.

So it seems the hcg wasn't doing much for me.. i finally decided to go off the HCG and clomid a few weeks ago. i feel much better, getting more random erections, and most of all i look better.. getting pumps... people keep asking if im back on.

the only other variable is that i started taking preworkout.. it has some creatine in it..

looking forward to getting test levels checked sometime soon to see if i actually recovered somewhat.. i had previously blasted and cruised for nearly 6 years straght with no hcg throughout that time.

i have not had sperm count checked in awhile though, so thats another story.. and thats the whole reason for all of this.

but i've honestly think HCG was doing NOTHING for me.. my testes never plumped up from using hcg.. i honestly never noticed anything from hcg the way other people seem to. and maybe i was desensitized to it from taking 2500 units 3 times per week.
 

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I never liked how I felt on Clomid.
 

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Clomid also fucks me up and I've starting to also turn on HCG as well so thank you for the observations. I'm thinking maybe I'll only go to HCG when I get close to PCT, I know that isn't the best way to do it but why even use gear if you're going to feel like shit right?
 

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Clomid also fucks me up and I've starting to also turn on HCG as well so thank you for the observations. I'm thinking maybe I'll only go to HCG when I get close to PCT, I know that isn't the best way to do it but why even use gear if you're going to feel like shit right?
I don't even know how people run clomid. If a man wants a glimpse into the mind of a woman, run Clomid. That shit really screws up your psyche...it's like the emotional center of your brain goes into hyperdrive, and every thought pattern is routed through there.

Fuck clomid
 

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Probably the relief from the clomid lol.
 

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I've been off AAS for over a year now trying to have children. been running doctor prescribed HCG and clomid.. had test levles checked twice throughout the past year and they were 335 then 115.

So it seems the hcg wasn't doing much for me.. i finally decided to go off the HCG and clomid a few weeks ago. i feel much better, getting more random erections, and most of all i look better.. getting pumps... people keep asking if im back on.

the only other variable is that i started taking preworkout.. it has some creatine in it..

looking forward to getting test levels checked sometime soon to see if i actually recovered somewhat.. i had previously blasted and cruised for nearly 6 years straght with no hcg throughout that time.

i have not had sperm count checked in awhile though, so thats another story.. and thats the whole reason for all of this.

but i've honestly think HCG was doing NOTHING for me.. my testes never plumped up from using hcg.. i honestly never noticed anything from hcg the way other people seem to. and maybe i was desensitized to it from taking 2500 units 3 times per week.
There's a few reasons this could have happened. Dropping E2 from stopping Clomid and hCG, LH feed back loops in the brain letting your own LH/FSH start again after dropping hCG since they are stimulated from it or overstimulation causing testes to become unresponsive.

I'd start with blood work but doses of less than 1000iu hCG/weekly have maintained fertility in healthy men when co-administered with 200mg Test. While it would probably take much longer I think the hCG would eventually start doing its job at a lower dose.

The LH receptors in the testes have a 96 refractory period after hCG stimulation. 250iu and 500iu EOD had nearly the same stimulation effect.
 

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LH downregulation.
You know that downregulation refers to receptors, right? Just making sure we're on the same page. So, you're claiming using HCG (LH analogue) in reasonable dosages downregulates LH receptors? Do you have evidence for this or just from anecdotal experience (not trying to be a dick, genuinely curious).
 

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I've never gone over 500iu/injection of HCG and I have to admit its worked well now for over 8 years of TRT. I cycle it in and out still, but when I add it back in (usually small doses of 100-200iu 3x/week) I notice an increase in a sense of well being and slight water weight gain (increased estrogen).
 

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LH downregulation.
Happens in rodents, but not in humans.

You know that downregulation refers to receptors, right? Just making sure we're on the same page. So, you're claiming using HCG (LH analogue) in reasonable dosages downregulates LH receptors? Do you have evidence for this or just from anecdotal experience (not trying to be a dick, genuinely curious).
No, its not seen in humans. Certainly not in the doses we use as bodybuilders and steroid users.
 
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You know that downregulation refers to receptors, right? Just making sure we're on the same page. So, you're claiming using HCG (LH analogue) in reasonable dosages downregulates LH receptors? Do you have evidence for this or just from anecdotal experience (not trying to be a dick, genuinely curious).
I thought it was common knowledge and reason why HCG is recommended during cycle and not on PCT. I could be wrong.
 

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I thought it was common knowledge and reason why HCG is recommended during cycle and not on PCT. I could be wrong.
There are LH receptors in the brain that hCG can activate, hence the better sense of well being when included with TRT. Too high a dose during PCT could prevent the LH/FSH release expected during PCT.
 

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There are LH receptors in the brain that hCG can activate, hence the better sense of well being when included with TRT. Too high a dose during PCT could prevent the LH/FSH release expected during PCT.
Same thing for someone off hormones, like the OP.
 

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I never liked being on clomid. It used to fuck with my eyes.

I would stay on nothing for a while and let your body balance itself out.
 

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I've been off AAS for over a year now trying to have children. been running doctor prescribed HCG and clomid.. had test levles checked twice throughout the past year and they were 335 then 115.

So it seems the hcg wasn't doing much for me.. i finally decided to go off the HCG and clomid a few weeks ago. i feel much better, getting more random erections, and most of all i look better.. getting pumps... people keep asking if im back on.

the only other variable is that i started taking preworkout.. it has some creatine in it..

looking forward to getting test levels checked sometime soon to see if i actually recovered somewhat.. i had previously blasted and cruised for nearly 6 years straght with no hcg throughout that time.

i have not had sperm count checked in awhile though, so thats another story.. and thats the whole reason for all of this.

but i've honestly think HCG was doing NOTHING for me.. my testes never plumped up from using hcg.. i honestly never noticed anything from hcg the way other people seem to. and maybe i was desensitized to it from taking 2500 units 3 times per week.
Me and my wife were trying for a kid also and my doctor put me on HCG only and it raised my levels in the 300ish range and sperm count . When I started I took clomid with the HCG cause I thought he wanted me to do that and he said discontinue clomid at once and do not take with HCG . I'm not sure his reasoning but I discontinued and felt pretty decent off the HCG alone.
 

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Low dose hcg is great. Too much and I'm an emotional wreck and feel like a little girl. If I go above 500iu 2-3 times a week I immediately get depressed and anxious. Even with a hefty dose of an AI (hcg estrogen apparently gets around AI's completely)
 

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