Gear Stopped Working

[Proformance121]

Reaching out for some advice here.

I'm 14 weeks into the first cycle I've done in over 10 years. I'm 33 now.

At first I was getting huge strength increases, big pumps, I was feeling great, and even had some trouble sleeping I was so amped up. I was also getting high bp which I had to address by adding in Telmisartan.

Now at the same dosage I feel like I'm on hardly anything at all. Strength is going down, sex drive is decreasing, bp has also gone down to baseline, which is nice but...

Cycle:

500mg Test E/Wk.
200mg Primo/Wk.
200mg Mast/Wk.
10mg Anavar Pre-workout

I know that's probably a baby cycle but I'm just trying to figure out how much I need to take. It can get confusing hearing all this conflicting info out there from guys saying you only need small amounts to grow. Then this happens and I start to wonder if this is the reason Chase Irons is taking 3g Test/wk. lol.. Perhaps some of the gear I've got is no good? Hard to tell.

 

[emeric delczeg]

Reaching out for some advice here.

I'm 14 weeks into the first cycle I've done in over 10 years. I'm 33 now.

At first I was getting huge strength increases, big pumps, I was feeling great, and even had some trouble sleeping I was so amped up. I was also getting high bp which I had to address by adding in Telmisartan.

Now at the same dosage I feel like I'm on hardly anything at all. Strength is going down, sex drive is decreasing, bp has also gone down to baseline, which is nice but...

Cycle:

500mg Test E/Wk.
200mg Primo/Wk.
200mg Mast/Wk.
10mg Anavar Pre-workout

I know that's probably a baby cycle but I'm just trying to figure out how much I need to take. It can get confusing hearing all this conflicting info out there from guys saying you only need small amounts to grow. Then this happens and I start to wonder if this is the reason Chase Irons is taking 3g Test/wk. lol.. Perhaps some of the gear I've got is no good? Hard to tell.

First 14 weeks is way to long cycle, 2nd you lost androgen sensitivity. You need to restore androgen sensitivity.

 

[Proformance121]

First 14 weeks is way to long cycle, 2nd you lost androgen sensitivity. You need to restore androgen sensitivity.

Thanks for the reply. Do you have any recommendations for restoring androgen sensitivity?

I was going to run 16 weeks and then come off. I guess I can go ahead and start PCT and after a break see how I respond again.

What confuses me is I hear that losing androgen sensitivity isn't a thing, but then I experience this which seems to totally fly in the face of that as not only have my gains stopped, all side effects have as well.

 

[johnjuanb1]

Reaching out for some advice here.

I'm 14 weeks into the first cycle I've done in over 10 years. I'm 33 now.

At first I was getting huge strength increases, big pumps, I was feeling great, and even had some trouble sleeping I was so amped up. I was also getting high bp which I had to address by adding in Telmisartan.

Now at the same dosage I feel like I'm on hardly anything at all. Strength is going down, sex drive is decreasing, bp has also gone down to baseline, which is nice but...

Cycle:

500mg Test E/Wk.
200mg Primo/Wk.
200mg Mast/Wk.
10mg Anavar Pre-workout

I know that's probably a baby cycle but I'm just trying to figure out how much I need to take. It can get confusing hearing all this conflicting info out there from guys saying you only need small amounts to grow. Then this happens and I start to wonder if this is the reason Chase Irons is taking 3g Test/wk. lol.. Perhaps some of the gear I've got is no good? Hard to tell.

Your body is telling you to take a break. Drop down to TRT doses for a few months to let your androgen receptors reset. Or, you could up the doses to over come this temporary stagnation. But, that’s not the smart or healthy way to go. I’d drop it to 50mg Test Prop EOD and 5ius HGH daily to maintain gains.

 

[slesh]

Go get blood work. My guess is you crushed your E2. There is nothing we can do for you other than dude’s just giving you anecdotal broscience answers…

 

[emeric delczeg]

Your body is telling you to take a break. Drop down to TRT doses for a few months to let your androgen receptors reset. Or, you could up the doses to over come this temporary stagnation. But, that’s not the smart or healthy way to go. I’d drop it to 50mg Test Prop EOD and 5ius HGH daily to maintain gains.

50mg every other day is to much for restoring sensitivity and to restore normal Hypothalamus functions and Adrenal cortex output, especially test prop.

 

[Livininshrouds]

First 14 weeks is way to long cycle, 2nd you lost androgen sensitivity. You need to restore androgen sensitivity.

When you say androgen sensitivity, is that basically tolerance to androgens? They become less effective overtime at x given dose?

 

[emeric delczeg]

Thanks for the reply. Do you have any recommendations for restoring androgen sensitivity?

I was going to run 16 weeks and then come off. I guess I can go ahead and start PCT and after a break see how I respond again.

What confuses me is I hear that losing androgen sensitivity isn't a thing, but then I experience this which seems to totally fly in the face of that as not only have my gains stopped, all side effects have as well.

I don`t think you would fallow my protocol.

 

[Proformance121]

Your body is telling you to take a break. Drop down to TRT doses for a few months to let your androgen receptors reset. Or, you could up the doses to over come this temporary stagnation. But, that’s not the smart or healthy way to go. I’d drop it to 50mg Test Prop EOD and 5ius HGH daily to maintain gains.

I appreciate the advice. That sounds like a good protocol. Forgot to mention I've been taking GH as well and now I'm not getting any numbness in my hands like I was at first. Maybe I was just super sensitive since I hadn't been on anything in over a decade.

 

[emeric delczeg]

When you say androgen sensitivity, is that basically tolerance to androgens? They become less effective overtime at x given dose?

It can happen any time when your cycles are longer that 8 week, the test that you inject becomes partial agonist ( active) partial agonist can be between 1% to 50%.

 

[slesh]

I appreciate the advice. That sounds like a good protocol. Forgot to mention I've been taking GH as well and now I'm not getting any numbness in my hands like I was at first. Maybe I was just super sensitive since I hadn't been on anything in over a decade.

Dude go get bloodwork done

 

[Proformance121]

Dude go get bloodwork done

Will do, I'll schedule my test and report back. Probably will make for a good laugh.

I did get labs done right before I started. Test was 509, free test was 83.7, and estradiol was 15. SHBG was 32 and prolactin was 3.9.

 

[slesh]

Will do, I'll schedule my test and report back. Probably will make for a good laugh.

I did get labs done right before I started. Test was 509, free test was 83.7, and estradiol was 15. SHBG was 32 and prolactin was 3.9.

Lol well there you go. Even with the addition of 500mgs of Test I guarantee you crushed your E2 with the Primo, Mast and Var. Your E2 started super low - I would die at 15. Stay on this protocol and get bloodwork done as soon as possible. If you stop and get labs done you won’t get a definitive answer and it will all be for nothing.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Perhaps you lost protein sensitivity, reduce protein to minimal amounts or go vegan and come off protein completely, when you reintroduce protein you will see a big difference. This applies to everything, even learning, I stopped learning decades ago, so when I decide to learn again, my body will be sensitized to new information

 

[Hyperemia]

Perhaps you lost protein sensitivity, reduce protein to minimal amounts or go vegan and come off protein completely, when you reintroduce protein you will see a big difference. This applies to everything, even learning, I stopped learning decades ago, so when I decide to learn again, my body will be sensitized to new information

Do not give any more “advice” and it’s painfully obvious you stopped learning quite a while ago.

 

[slesh]

Perhaps you lost protein sensitivity, reduce protein to minimal amounts or go vegan and come off protein completely, when you reintroduce protein you will see a big difference. This applies to everything, even learning, I stopped learning decades ago, so when I decide to learn again, my body will be sensitized to new information

Is this an attempt at humor?

 

[Proformance121]

Lol well there you go. Even with the addition of 500mgs of Test I guarantee you crushed your E2 with the Primo, Mast and Var. Your E2 started super low - I would die at 15. Stay on this protocol and get bloodwork done as soon as possible. If you stop and get labs done you won’t get a definitive answer and it will all be for nothing.

Ahh I see, I get paranoid about E2 due to having pre-existing gyno but that makes sense. Hmm...

 

[slesh]

Ahh I see, I get paranoid about E2 due to having pre-existing gyno but that makes sense. Hmm...

I was the same way and for years and years and ruined so many blasts crushing my E2 as a precaution. Last time my E2 was at 15 I couldn’t get out of bed. Again, don’t create any variables, continue what you’re doing and get blood drawn. Then come back to us with real data and we can assist. I respect the members above - but they’re just throwing shit against the wall…

 

[Livininshrouds]

I was the same way and for years and years and ruined so many blasts crushing my E2 as a precaution. Last time my E2 was at 15 I couldn’t get out of bed. Again, don’t create any variables, continue what you’re doing and get blood drawn. Then come back to us with real data and we can assist. I respect the members above - but they’re just throwing shit against the wall…

All jokes aside have you experienced loss of androgen sensitivity? I never knew this was a real thing

 

[bbxtreme]

Before things go sideways on this thread the above advice is in no way anyone trying to be a dick. It’s the only true way to know the answer.

My advice:

1. Define your goals
2. Get bloodwork- CMP, CBC, iron panel, and full hormone panel.
3. Hire a good coach or invest in the time it takes to understand what’s going on with your bloodwork to align your gear, diet and lifestyle with your goals.

Most people don’t think past “I just want to run this cycle and gain some size”. Not a knock. Just a reality. But really that is just the beginning.

But don’t guess or hope random suggestions from guys on an Internet forum will help as nobody will really know as we don’t know your goals, health history or bloodwork. It would be irresponsible for anyone to suggest they know for certain otherwise IMO.