STRETCHING REDUCES FORCE PRODUCTION

[Nssca]

http://coachsci.sdsu.edu/csa/vol111/behm.htm

STRETCHING REDUCES FORCE PRODUCTION

Behm, D. G., Button, D. C., & Butt, J. C. (2001). Factors affecting force loss with prolonged stretching. Canadian Journal of Applied Physiology, 26, 262-272.

This study evaluated the phenomenon of force loss after prolonged static and passive stretching. Ss (N = 12) were tested before and 5-10 minutes after 20 minutes of static or passive stretching of the quadriceps. Six of the twelve Ss also performed a no-stretching (control) condition.

Following stretching, maximal voluntary contraction force decreased by 12%, while muscle activation increased by 2.8% and inactivation increased by 20.2%. It was suggested that strength loss after stretching is affected more by muscle inactivation than changes in muscle elasticity.

Implication. Too much stretching decreases force production. The value of stretching before athletic performances, particularly those involving strength or the production of large forces, should be questioned.

Hummm wonder what else we have been told is just not all that true.

 

[Nssca]

Title: The Impact of Stretching on Sports Injury Risk: A Systematic Review of the Literature

Researchers: THACKER, STEPHEN B.; GILCHRIST, JULIE; STROUP, DONNA F.; KIMSEY, C. DEXTER JR.

Institution: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Source: Med. Sci. Sports Exerc., Vol. 36, No. 3, pp. 371–378, 2004.

Summary: We conducted a systematic review to assess the evidence for the effectiveness of stretching as a tool to prevent injuries in sports and to make recommendations for research and prevention.

Methods: Without language limitations, we searched electronic data bases, including MEDLINE (1966–2002), Current Contents (1997–2002), Biomedical Collection (1993–1999), the Cochrane Library, and SPORTDiscus, and then identified citations from papers retrieved and contacted experts in the field. Meta-analysis was limited to randomized trials or cohort studies for interventions that included stretching. Studies were excluded that lacked controls, in which stretching could not be assessed independently, or where studies did not include subjects in sporting or fitness activities. One author screened all articles initially. Six of 361 identified articles compared stretching with other methods to prevent injury. Data were abstracted by one author and then reviewed independently by three others. Three authors using a previously standardized instrument assessed data quality independently, and reviewers met to reconcile substantive differences in interpretation. We calculated weighted pooled odds ratios based on an intention-to-treat analysis as well as subgroup analyses by quality score and study design.

Results: Stretching was not significantly associated with a reduction in total injuries and similar findings were seen in the subgroup analysis.

I wonder if any studies on stretching AFTER have been done as it could be WORSE when you think about.

You are STRETCHING a pumped and therefore LESS STABLE muscle cell/fiber/group which could make things WORSE as well as the added depletion and compression this could/does place on nerves.

 

[diesel158]

C'mon already

 

[Dusty Hanshaw]

Listen DaCock we all understand what you are implying but you really need to think about when someone stretches using DC...IT'S AFTER the lifting is done.

 

[ScottMcD1]

I bet if you measured force production in the leg extension after a hard set of squats it would go down too... does anyone go around saying lifting weights reduces force production?

 

[Phidias]

Listen DaCock

I stretch deeply everyday at the end of my workouts and I've been doing so for years, and honestly I really don't seem to suffer from any kind of loss of force...

 

[oldfella]

I stretch deeply everyday at the end of my workouts and I've been doing so for years, and honestly I really don't seem to suffer from any kind of loss of force...

Or loss of hair either!!!

 

[dirkmoneyshot]

http://coachsci.sdsu.edu/csa/vol111/behm.htm

STRETCHING REDUCES FORCE PRODUCTION

Behm, D. G., Button, D. C., & Butt, J. C. (2001). Factors affecting force loss with prolonged stretching. Canadian Journal of Applied Physiology, 26, 262-272.

This study evaluated the phenomenon of force loss after prolonged static and passive stretching. Ss (N = 12) were tested before and 5-10 minutes after 20 minutes of static or passive stretching of the quadriceps. Six of the twelve Ss also performed a no-stretching (control) condition.

Following stretching, maximal voluntary contraction force decreased by 12%, while muscle activation increased by 2.8% and inactivation increased by 20.2%. It was suggested that strength loss after stretching is affected more by muscle inactivation than changes in muscle elasticity.

Implication. Too much stretching decreases force production. The value of stretching before athletic performances, particularly those involving strength or the production of large forces, should be questioned.

Hummm wonder what else we have been told is just not all that true.

Moral PASSIVE STRETCH AFTER strength training and use a dynamic warm up before....

 

[Phidias]

Or loss of hair either!!!

Being jealous of my sexy mullet won't make yours grow again, Oldbuddy... only in your wildest dreams can you hold back the years...

 

[oldfella]

Being jealous of my sexy mullet won't make yours grow again, Oldbuddy... only in your wildest dreams can you hold back the years...

YEA YEA maybe so goldy locks, just bring your ass down under for a spell and we'll show you who is turning back the years!
Sexy mullet....LMAO!!! Crazy bastard!

 

[Phidias]

YEA YEA maybe so goldy locks, just bring your ass down under for a spell and we'll show you who is turning back the years!
Sexy mullet....LMAO!!! Crazy bastard!

BEWARE... I may come much sooner than you think! You know I need some sun, do you?

 

[oldfella]

BEWARE... I may come much sooner than you think! You know I need some sun, do you?

LMAO help is only a phone call away my son!!.................What are you waiting for? Come on down!

 

[Phidias]

You have a pm mate...


And btw sorry for hijacking this thread. The flame that had started can go on now...

 

[muscle96ss]

Rooster: What is your purpose here? If it is to instigate and stir up shit then take your ass to a different board as we don't need that here!

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

How bad did your ego take a hit anyway?

Good.... info thats been told 8 ways around the block though for many years....we should all make sure you dont stretch a muscle before you train that muscle....but most of us knew that anyway didnt we?

Heres some more studies for you to look at that are more on point to the discussion on hand.

Shall we?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...med.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus

I can go all day long with this stuff Da Rooster and make you eat dirt...go head and bring it all you got. Little baby can sling the dirt but sure cant take it when someone slings it right back at him.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Rooster: What is your purpose here? If it is to instigate and stir up shit then take your ass to a different board as we don't need that here!

He is just one weird cat.

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?p=61610#post61610


Does it suck or is it the best? Make up your mind or move on. Your what....like 50 years old or so and what happened.....your other musclemessage board moderator legacy/ego got bent out of shape? Too bad.

If I came on this board and over the years threw snide remarks at any one of the Pro muscle members repeatedly, Im going to fully expect them to throw some right back at me......and deservably so. It just took me a few years of seeing your bullshit remarks to send one back on you. Thats some pretty good patience on my part I think. I find it amazing that your so bent out of shape that I gave you a taste of your own medicine. Dont like it? Dont be a dickhead initially then!

 

[Jarconis]

 

[Kane]

Rooster: What is your purpose here? If it is to instigate and stir up shit

Looks like that's exactly what it is. Anyone that's been doing this for awhile knows that DC's methods work. Your not going to discredit him with an old study that doesn't even pertain to his protocol.

 

[tkav1980]

question for dante?

if im understanding those articles you posted, then post training stretching immediately after you work that particle muscle increases that muscles ability to grow by keeping it in a state thats optimal for growth for a longer period of time that just resistance training alone? is this correct?

 

[Nssca]

Did I say ANYTHING about DOG-CRAP?
I was just showing a scientific study, not an opinion or my theory.
But, I guess anything that is against DOG-CRAP is just unacceptable.
Like my opinion on Craig Titus???? How in Gods name did talking about Titus piss DOG-CRAP Off? It wasnt what I said it was this littlle self =esteem issue the guy has against me because I dont have my nose up his ass and beleive everything he preaches...and because I don't believe his methods are safe and as effective as the rest... he wants to slam me every time I post...

Now if there is some rule over here that says you cant post any thing that runs against DOG-CRAP then let me know and I'll be glad to not ever do that.

In the Titus thread I tried every post to change the subject BUT DOG-CRAP kept coming and flaming...so who's the big trouble maker here ????
Now what most of you need to realize is the possibility that DOG_CRAP doesnt have the monopoly on how to gain muscle..maybe he doesnt hold the title of all knowing guru...that maybe, just maybe there is a few errors and unsafe aspects in his methodology.
But that is not a possibility to all there newbies and brown nosers that know nothing else but the DOG_CRAP methods.

So if you what to flame anyone that posts anything that runs against what you believe.... well then you need to keep an open mind and think for yourselves...

But when this guy jumps my ass every time I post anything regardless of the topic, then that's a personal thing he has to deal with.
He knows what I think of him I have posted that openly on another boaed but I respect this board and have no need to "start" anything over here Im surprised he hasnt copied and pasted what I wrote and posted it over here...but we will see who is the troble maker over here and we will see who is trying to start shit over here...its not me.