Study on fasted lifting

luki7788 · Oct 2, 2023

qbkilla said:
I get the idea behind fasted lifting... some feel better... some think it increases performance... some think it burns more fat... some like me who do it prefer to save our precious calories to "feast" post workout because intermittent fasting and a few large meals satisfy us more than snaller meals... convenient to not eat for am lifting

My question...I see a lot of people use a little shake or raw and electrolytes pre...but no carbs not even Gatorade.

If someone is going to take in protein pre... meaning not truly fasted...why not also add a small amount of fast digestion carbs?

So fast ..or get a light meal of fast digestion carbs and protein. What is the rationale between taking in a little eaa or protein and not bothering to add a little bit of carbs?

don't be offended, but as usual, you complicate simple things too much - you're not and you don't care about being a freak, just do what's more convenient for you and you won't see much of a difference anyway

Flex500 · Oct 2, 2023

luki7788 said:
I agree, but what's the point of training lifting on an empty stomach when you can drink a mixture of isolate/peptopro + waxymaze before and the same during training just maybe switch carb source to dextrose - you don't need time to drink the cocktail and it won't cause a heavy stomach and we will be in a more anabolic state than after a whole night without it eating even when we have a large meal for dinner

I don't disagree. I think at that point it's just preference. Your point stands completely though if you could just put something down that won't impact your stomach, then do it. Right now I train at home and my alarm goes at at 5am and I'm literally doing warm up sets at 5:15am while drinking a caffeine/eaa/electrolyte drink. I imagine most are getting up and driving to a gym and having a little more of a "transit time" where it's more conducive to have something you you noted.

Flex500 · Oct 2, 2023

qbkilla said:
I get the idea behind fasted lifting... some feel better... some think it increases performance... some think it burns more fat... some like me who do it prefer to save our precious calories to "feast" post workout because intermittent fasting and a few large meals satisfy us more than snaller meals... convenient to not eat for am lifting

My question...I see a lot of people use a little shake or raw and electrolytes pre...but no carbs not even Gatorade.

If someone is going to take in protein pre... meaning not truly fasted...why not also add a small amount of fast digestion carbs?

So fast ..or get a light meal of fast digestion carbs and protein. What is the rationale between taking in a little eaa or protein and not bothering to add a little bit of carbs?

I think it's mostly semantics and schedule. I only eat around 250 grams of carbs a day and I eat around 100-150 of those carbs around 7pm (along with ~80 grams of protein), go to bed at 9:30pm, and up at 4:30-5. That is essentially my preworkouts meal and I don't really have a need for more. It's going to take hours and hours and hours for that to digest and with a little caffeine/eaa/electrolyte drink I feel great and ready to go. I mean you are not getting a lot of immediate pre workout carbs if you are eating a decent amount during the day.

buck · Oct 2, 2023

If maximum growth is what is wanted. Fasted would seem to be less then desirable. From studies i saw in the past showed people are at the strongest in the late afternoon on average. Which would be from the CNS and fuel being optimal at that time.

qbkilla · Oct 2, 2023

luki7788 said:
don't be offended, but as usual, you complicate simple things too much - you're not and you don't care about being a freak, just do what's more convenient for you and you won't see much of a difference anyway

This is true, at the end of the day consistently, intense training, total calories, sleep etc are the big rocks. I do go back and forth where pre and post workout nutrition are on the hierarchy of importance...I agree for people not trying to get huge and not using slin the difference is probably small.

marssel · Oct 3, 2023

luki7788 said:
I'm talking about bodybuilders because after all, they are "professionalmuscle"

The ones I do know who mail the every 2 hour window pre lift, always modify what they eat pre lift. The fact that digestion takes an enormous amount of energy and blood away from muscle isn’t lost on IFBB pros either trust me.

jl9987 · Oct 6, 2024

Trained last 2 days first thing about 90 mins after waking, just had 50g HBCD, 30g EAA's, was hydrated well prior and added a pre workout to it too. Felt like I actually performed better and doing that allowed me to save about 2 hours of my day as I did my HIIT post workout rather than going back for 2 split sessions.

I wouldn't train properly fasted with no carbs/eaa's as I don't see the point personally but with the intra carbs/EAA's etc start sipping on the way to the gym seems to work well.

For those that JUST dose GH pre bed, would there be any benefit to dosing about an hour before this session if using intra carbs/eaa's or just stick to all pre bed?

luki7788 · Oct 6, 2024

man....your every post is overthinking, stop thinking and just get going…

jl9987 · Oct 6, 2024

luki7788 said:
man....your every post is overthinking, stop thinking and just get going…

I'm going in the background, not missed a meal, workout, taking pics every week....just cos I'm asking questions doesn't mean I'm not going...I'm up 2kg and much leaner and fuller in 4 weeks, carb cycling. Just learning still, but still 'doing' in the background. Best I've looked in a while, had some comments from friends etc too.

You learn by reading, asking and trying. This is what I'm doing.

I respect you and your knowledge is insane, but people need to stop being so quick to assume. I saw some posts of yours back in 2018 of you asking stuff which had been posted about already numerous times, that's no different to this

Bleed · Oct 6, 2024

I'm not speaking for luki, dont forget theres a language/semantics barrier, English isnt his first language.

I took what he said to mean that what youre asking wont make a difference and to just do it and be consistent.

jl9987 said:
I'm going in the background, not missed a meal, workout, taking pics every week....just cos I'm asking questions doesn't mean I'm not going...I'm up 2kg and much leaner and fuller in 4 weeks, carb cycling. Just learning still, but still 'doing' in the background. Best I've looked in a while, had some comments from friends etc too.

You learn by reading, asking and trying. This is what I'm doing.

I respect you and your knowledge is insane, but people need to stop being so quick to assume. I saw some posts of yours back in 2018 of you asking stuff which had been posted about already numerous times, that's no different to this

jl9987 · Oct 6, 2024

Bleed said:
I'm not speaking for luki, dont forget theres a language/semantics barrier, English isnt his first language.

I took what he said to mean that what youre asking wont make a difference and to just do it and be consistent.

For sure and that might be the case. I was just curious hence the question

Samson250 · Oct 6, 2024

jl9987 said:
I'm going in the background, not missed a meal, workout, taking pics every week....just cos I'm asking questions doesn't mean I'm not going...I'm up 2kg and much leaner and fuller in 4 weeks, carb cycling. Just learning still, but still 'doing' in the background. Best I've looked in a while, had some comments from friends etc too.

You learn by reading, asking and trying. This is what I'm doing.

I respect you and your knowledge is insane, but people need to stop being so quick to assume. I saw some posts of yours back in 2018 of you asking stuff which had been posted about already numerous times, that's no different to this

I was the one who said bump the thread you’re reading rather than start a new thread. Ok. We’re on the path lol.

You took a little offense to Luki’s comment and I’ll chalk that up to you getting some criticism the other day and your defense is up. If Luki didn’t care he wouldn’t take the time to reply so consider that.

Let’s take another look at what he said without taking it personally which was basically “your overthinking” He didn’t say your question was invalid. He’s trying to get you out of your head. Dont fret about the little things just let them take care of themselves.

You’re one of those guys who thinks about something and wants to know should I or shouldn’t I take gh pre workout or pre bed.
Luki may have once had a similar question but he didn’t ask us! He experimented and found out the answer and that’s the only way to learn! Put it in practice! Right now you’re a philosophy student thinking about variables and possibilities. Be an Engineer instead! Draw your plan and build the goddam thing! Right?

Luki is a no nonsense type guy. He certainly does not abide by my Tom Foolery either. He gives it to us like a 3” dart to the ass at full speed.

Tell him thank you for the reply. That you’ll think about what he said and how it might apply to the way you’re going about things. Then come back to this thread and instead of asking “should I” try saying something more like “This is what I did.. what do you guys think?”

jl9987 · Oct 6, 2024

Samson250 said:
I was the one who said bump the thread you’re reading rather than start a new thread. Ok. We’re on the path lol.

You took a little offense to Luki’s comment and I’ll chalk that up to you getting some criticism the other day and your defense is up. If Luki didn’t care he wouldn’t take the time to reply so consider that.

Let’s take another look at what he said without taking it personally which was basically “your overthinking” He didn’t say your question was invalid. He’s trying to get you out of your head. Dont fret about the little things just let them take care of themselves.

You’re one of those guys who thinks about something and wants to know should I or shouldn’t I take gh pre workout or pre bed.
Luki may have once had a similar question but he didn’t ask us! He experimented and found out the answer and that’s the only way to learn! Put it in practice! Right now you’re a philosophy student thinking about variables and possibilities. Be an Engineer instead! Draw your plan and build the goddam thing! Right?

Luki is a no nonsense type guy. He certainly does not abide by my Tom Foolery either. He gives it to us like a 3” dart to the ass at full speed.

Tell him thank you for the reply. That you’ll think about what he said and how it might apply to the way you’re going about things. Then come back to this thread and instead of asking “should I” try saying something more like “This is what I did.. what do you guys think?”

Yeah I can’t disagree. Perhaps I took it the wrong way. I’m just trying to learn. No disrespect what’s meant.

I’m an ocd type person as you can tell.

Yeah I hear you, try for a period of a few months then get feedback and come back and then try another way. Points taken.

buck · Oct 6, 2024

jl9987 said:
Trained last 2 days first thing about 90 mins after waking, just had 50g HBCD, 30g EAA's, was hydrated well prior and added a pre workout to it too. Felt like I actually performed better and doing that allowed me to save about 2 hours of my day as I did my HIIT post workout rather than going back for 2 split sessions.

I wouldn't train properly fasted with no carbs/eaa's as I don't see the point personally but with the intra carbs/EAA's etc start sipping on the way to the gym seems to work well.

For those that JUST dose GH pre bed, would there be any benefit to dosing about an hour before this session if using intra carbs/eaa's or just stick to all pre bed?

From my experience. Trying to micro manage the body is usually a waste of time. As it often does what it thinks is best and not what i want it to do. Trying to understand all the processes going on and how they interact with each other, and then trying to manipulate them the way i want was usually a waste of my time. But you can always try and see what happens.

Creation · Oct 6, 2024

bigzzz said:
Zero big bodybuilders do fasted weight training.

instagram - @tx_petehartin

This dude lifts first thing in the morning and hes 300lbs of solid mass

marssel · Oct 7, 2024

luki7788 said:
man....your every post is overthinking, stop thinking and just get going…

The curse of all lifters on the edge of doing something great is to start thinking about how or why you got here as opposed to just keeping the hammer moving

Jgardn14 · Oct 7, 2024

qbkilla said:
Eat When You Lift — Dr. Layne Norton Breaks Down New Study on Training While Fasting | BarBend

Norton shares new research in the International Journal of Sports Physiology and Performance regarding fasting and training performance.

barbend.com

Curious to what people think about this? I know training fasted isn't "optimal" but alot of people still do it with success due to work schedule, they don't like the feeling of a full stomach, or whatever reason. I typically train after a large p+c meal but dis a couple workouts fasted and definitely felt more focused and like I had a better pump. These were my volume days obviously if I did a heavy day, and the study shows, probably going to lift less. But it didn't show any less gains when training fasted...and of course studies don't tell all, but looking up old threads alot of people report gaining just fine when training fasted.

Just curious people's current thoughts ran across this when looking on YouTube. Obviously if someone is training fasted a fast digested p+c meal after is a good idea. I've heard of people training fasted and using tne or drol pre, then some r type slin with the post large p+c meal to shuttle things into the muscles now that they are depleted.