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Syntherol Q's: lumps, hardness, small muscle groups..

chemicalwarrior

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I'm new to syntherol use and figured I'd give it a try in my outer bis. I'm following the basic protocol (1 ml x 10 days, 2 ml 10 days etc) and I'm in the middle of the 2 ml section and I'm having so much "hardness" and lumps in the muscle that I have to keep stopping and take a day or two to let it loosen up. Anyone else have this particular problem?

I'm massaging very hard and quite a bit to work this out, but it's just not clearing up quick enough. My arms are fairly small (17" cold and I'm 6'2") so there's not a lot of muscle to work with to begin with here. Does anyone thing the muscle is just too small and volume of oil too much to work? Should I back the dose down?

This is frustrating and just trying to make it through the protocol to give it a proper try.
 

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Personally I think the goal of 3ml's/ day for 10 days in a 17 inch arm is going to cause problems.

Consider doing this for a week as an experiment. 0.5ml in the inner head and 0.5ml in the outer head each day, moving through the upper/ middle/ and lower locations on the bi's each day. It may not seem like a lot, but you will see the difference in lump formation, and you will still noticeably increase the muscle volume.

Somewhere on this board, it says that some bodybuilders do 1ml per day for 2 weeks then take a week off, and repeat. I think for guys starting off with smaller arms, this method is best. It keeps pressure on the fascia and the muscle shape continues looking very natural. It won't produce 3 inch gains in 30 days, but it will definitely bring visible and measurable increases.

Remember to pump the muscle to the extreme when you train...like until it almost feels fully flexed when it's relaxed;) Along with the pressure from the oil, all that blood being forced into the muscles during your workout will put huge amounts of additional pressure on the fascia (kinda painful, but that's just what bodybuilders do right?)... this will result in even more stretching.... and in the end, more room for new muscle growth :)
 
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I'm new to syntherol use and figured I'd
give it a try in my outer bis. I'm following the basic protocol (1 ml x 10
days, 2 ml 10 days etc) and I'm in the middle of the 2 ml section and I'm
having so much "hardness" and lumps in the muscle that I have to keep
stopping and take a day or two to let it loosen up. Anyone else have this
particular problem?

I'm massaging very hard and quite a bit to work this out, but it's just not
clearing up quick enough. My arms are fairly small (17" cold and I'm 6'2")
so there's not a lot of muscle to work with to begin with here. Does
anyone thing the muscle is just too small and volume of oil too much to
work? Should I back the dose down?

This is frustrating and just trying to make it through the protocol to give it
a proper try.
Are you have hardness in specific places within the outer bi (ie where you
inject) or does the whole muscle just feel tight all over?

If they are specific individual lumps then you should be waiting for them
to clear up with regular stretching, massaging etc. but if its the whole
muscle that feels tight all over that's more just the pressure from all the
oil within the muscle. It shouldn't be so great that you cannot inject any
more SEO in there.

Your arms are not 'too small' - but your body may be slower at
metabolizing the oil.

You say that you are waiting several days for the muscle to 'loosen up'
before you can shoot again, this 'loosening' will be the body absorbing
the oil so the pressure within the muscle lessens.

The whole idea is to maintain that tightness which is what stretches the
fascia.

Also how fast are you shooting the whole 2ml? If its less then 2 minutes
then you are going to fast. Simply put the oil needs to be able to spread
along the muscle, if you inject too fast it will cause a lump. The faster you
inject the bigger the lump and the harder it is too massage out.

Massaging, don't massage so hard that you bruise - this is worse then
not massaging at all, just make sure you are massaging frequently,
several times a day for several minutes at least.

Stretching will help with alleviating the tightness you mentioned. Do that
every time you massage. You should feel some relief.
 

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Personally I think the goal of
3ml's/ day for 10 days in a 17 inch arm is going to cause problems.

It will not if everything is done correctly. My arms were approx 16 inch
when i ran syntherol.


Consider doing this for a week as an experiment. 0.5ml in the
inner head and 0.5ml in the outer head each day, moving through the
upper/ middle/ and lower locations on the bi's each day. It may not seem
like a lot, but you will see the difference in lump formation, and you will
still noticeably increase the muscle volume.
The goal of the exercise is not to 'increase muscle volume' - thats a
TEMPORARY side effect. The goal is to stretch the fascia because it has no
choice but to do so due to the amount of oil being injected. To do that
you need more then 0.5ml...

You are right though as the injections sites along the bicep need to be
rotated to fill the muscle evenly.

The only reason you would minimise lump formation with lower volume vs
a higher volume would be if you were injecting too much too fast with the
higher volume. I can't stress enough how slowly you need to inject. I
literally had a needle in my arm for at least 24 minutes each day as I
timed each and every shot. (@ 3ml per shot)


Somewhere on this board, it says that some bodybuilders do 1ml
per day for 2 weeks then take a week off, and repeat. I think for guys
starting off with smaller arms, this method is best. It keeps pressure on
the fascia and the muscle shape continues looking very natural. It won't
produce 3 inch gains in 30 days, but it will definitely bring visible and
measurable increases.
The protocol is the protocol for a reason. It has brought results to
anyone that has followed it exactly. 3inches in 30 days is not a claim, it is
whats possible. Some people have achieved it, some have not. Deviating
from the protocol is a sure fire way to short yourself on your potential
gains.


Remember to pump the muscle to the extreme when you
train...like until it almost feels fully flexed when it's relaxed;) Along with
the pressure from the oil, all that blood being forced into the muscles
during your workout will put huge amounts of additional pressure on the
fascia (kinda painful, but that's just what bodybuilders do right?)... this
will result in even more stretching.... and in the end, more room for new
muscle growth :)
Good point, But don't forget that you should be doing light sets right
after all your shots anyway to get the oil spreading along the muscle as
much as possible whether its a training day or not. This is part of the
protocol.

This will:
1. Help prevent formation of lumps
2. Provide a pump that will help with the fascial stretching.
 

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Thanks to all who responded. I really appreciate it.

I'll confess that I've gotten a couple small, hard lumps, but for the most part it is just a general hardening of the entire outer bi. I know what some are saying about pressure on the fascia. But, this feels like a full on hardening that doesn't seem quite right. I could be wrong. Right now I'm able to do 2 ml in each outer bi head eod. I simply can't get anything in the next day- it's too hard (that's what she said? sorry.. couldn't resist). But, seriously, I think it's just a little too much oil for that particular head of the bicep.

I'm going to start injecting the inner head of the bis tonight and go slow and see what I can work up to. I'll follow the standard protocol as closely as possible.

I'm using insulin pins- 1 ml, 29 gauge, 5/8" and injecting slowly. I might possibly be doing more than 1 ml per minute, but I doubt it. It takes me about 16 minutes to do 4 ml with backfilling etc. I'll time it for sure though.

I'm not massaging to the point of bruising or really being too rough. But, I do give a firm massage a couple few times per day for several minutes each and sometimes use a vibrating back massager thing on each arm for a bit.

Again, thanks for the input.
 

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I slowed down my shots last night. I guess I was going a little faster than I should have been. I think that may have been the culprit. Thanks again for the advice.
 

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I think your pin may be too short? Maybe going depper will help? Just a thought.
 

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I thought of that too NY, but then I realized how small my bis were and thought, "Naw, that's as deep as it gets for me!" lol. Actually, that's a good suggestion. For the outer bis I think the needle is long enough- they are seriously small on my arms and that's plenty deep- especially if going in from the sides. But, with the long head of the tris and inner bis I think you are right. I'm gonna need to use a longer pin. I've got some 23 gauge 1"ers but may invest in some 25 gauge or 27 gauge 1" pins.
 

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When I first started some syntherol, I also started with 17" arms. Personally, I thought that the full protocol was a little too much for that size of arm so I cut everything in half and did the protocol that way. I gained a permanent inch from doing that, and I didn't have any trouble with lumps and the hardness you describe. 3cc can be a lot for the biceps since it is a smaller muscle. I figured it could handle it next time after got a little bigger.
 

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Thanks for the info man. Yeah, I've resorted to doing 2 cc one day and 1 cc the next in the outer bi and started on the inner bi. No more terrible hardness at this point. The whole thing is super tedious though, that's for sure.

I guess it's just like how you gotta use more oil in the chest or thighs and so on. Some muscles are just not gonna handle as much as others- and every gym rat is a little different with that. I don't think my front delts could handle 3 cc but my side delts could easily handle that I'm sure.
 

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sytherol scar tissue

I have some serious scar tissue in my right tricep long head...and it's a bummer. I think I had been injecting too fast, and now I have learned a hard lesson.

Do I have to stop injecting and wait for everything to get soft again?

Will it really take 4 weeks? That will put me back at square one :(
 

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I have some serious scar tissue in my right tricep long head...and it's a bummer. I think I had been injecting too fast, and now I have learned a hard lesson.

Do I have to stop injecting and wait for everything to get soft again?

Will it really take 4 weeks? That will put me back at square one :(
If you inject anything where there is scar tissue, you will just make the scar tissue worse.
 

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