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Who here likes TEST ONLY CYCLES...? I'm debating on running a long term test only cycle...likes/dislikes, opinions
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Test Only Cycles...likes/dislikes
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Sounds good, and a good idea from what I've read in research. It will probably be my first cycle (whenever that will be) POSSIBLY 25mg d-bol for the first four weeks but more than likely test only.
the best first cycle in my opinion is test only
it is the cheepest
it is the most effective
it is one of the safest
a good first cycle would be this
week 1-10 500mg test cyp per week
2 weeks after last inject of test start pct and run this
day 1-10 clomid @ 100mg ed / nolvadex @ 50mg ed
day 11-20 clomid @ 50mg ed / nolvadex @ 30mg ed
day 21-30 nolvadex @ 20mg ed
JAO
it is the cheepest
it is the most effective
it is one of the safest
a good first cycle would be this
week 1-10 500mg test cyp per week
2 weeks after last inject of test start pct and run this
day 1-10 clomid @ 100mg ed / nolvadex @ 50mg ed
day 11-20 clomid @ 50mg ed / nolvadex @ 30mg ed
day 21-30 nolvadex @ 20mg ed
JAO
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jao250 said:
Good stuff that is exactly what I plan on doing once I decide to do my first cycle.
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it is the cheepest
just add 10,000 ius of HCG over a 2 week period while using nolv/clomid and your styling
it is the most effective
it is one of the safest
a good first cycle would be this
week 1-10 500mg test cyp per week
2 weeks after last inject of test start pct and run this
day 1-10 clomid @ 100mg ed / nolvadex @ 50mg ed
day 11-20 clomid @ 50mg ed / nolvadex @ 30mg ed
day 21-30 nolvadex @ 20mg ed
JAO[/QUOTE]
just add 10,000 ius of HCG over a 2 week period while using nolv/clomid and your styling
it is the most effective
it is one of the safest
a good first cycle would be this
week 1-10 500mg test cyp per week
2 weeks after last inject of test start pct and run this
day 1-10 clomid @ 100mg ed / nolvadex @ 50mg ed
day 11-20 clomid @ 50mg ed / nolvadex @ 30mg ed
day 21-30 nolvadex @ 20mg ed
JAO[/QUOTE]
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Lemme Rephrase
I'm talking a HEAVY TEST ONLY cycles...I have about a dozen cycles under My belt(usually short ones) & compete...so lemme rephrase TEST ONLY vs.test + anabolic + an oral
I'm talking a HEAVY TEST ONLY cycles...I have about a dozen cycles under My belt(usually short ones) & compete...so lemme rephrase TEST ONLY vs.test + anabolic + an oral
mightyjohn I know you were talking heavy test only cycles sorry we got a little off topic on your thread.
but still heavy test only cycles are great it is cheep and test is the ultimate mass builder
one of the advantages to running a cycle that has a different anabolic in it with a lower test dose is that it will lower the amount of androgen related sides but if you are bulking who cares about a little bloat
JAO
but still heavy test only cycles are great it is cheep and test is the ultimate mass builder
one of the advantages to running a cycle that has a different anabolic in it with a lower test dose is that it will lower the amount of androgen related sides but if you are bulking who cares about a little bloat
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still very good
I must say, they are still very good and make some of the best gains. I personally have had great success running suspension only and had some pain involved, but really had enjoyed how easy it was on my pocket book and my body! Sometimes leaving things less complicated makes the best!
I must say, they are still very good and make some of the best gains. I personally have had great success running suspension only and had some pain involved, but really had enjoyed how easy it was on my pocket book and my body! Sometimes leaving things less complicated makes the best!
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I'm interested in hearing a lot of opinions on this. Most of what I've done has either been test only, or test and tren. Sometimes I throw in some dbol, but now I'm realizing my body doesn't like dbol. Anyway, I can't really say that my results have ever been any better than when I used test alone.
I understand that there may be a need for other compounds when preparing for a contest, but for someone like me who just wants as much mass as possible and a decently low bodyfat percentage, is there really any need for anything besides test?
I understand that there may be a need for other compounds when preparing for a contest, but for someone like me who just wants as much mass as possible and a decently low bodyfat percentage, is there really any need for anything besides test?
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jao250 said:
Well....duh.
But when the diet is in place, is there any need for any compound other than test? I see no real reason there would be. The majority of steroids are test derivatives anyway with the only real differences being in the anabolic to adrogenic ratio. Why not use only test? It's stronger and more effective than anything else, so what exactly is the benefit to using anything else if you're not preparing for a contest?well for some one who wanted as much mass as possible would benifit from using something like deca, nandrolone phenypropionate, d-bol, eq, and the list goes on, to limit androgenic sides.
is there really a need for something different probably not but as time goes on your body will get used to the testosterone and you wont get as good of gains. this is when you would benifit from taking a different steroid
JAO
is there really a need for something different probably not but as time goes on your body will get used to the testosterone and you wont get as good of gains. this is when you would benifit from taking a different steroid
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READ THIS GUYS!
Ok BIg Kiwi will tell you fellas the same thing -- he primarily uses anabolics now.. Now I only use test as the lil dog in the cycle, read this old post from Weight77:
good read about tendons.
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While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS, the decision is up to you.
Ok BIg Kiwi will tell you fellas the same thing -- he primarily uses anabolics now.. Now I only use test as the lil dog in the cycle, read this old post from Weight77:
good read about tendons.
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While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS, the decision is up to you.
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MightyJohn - you know me: old school
I've been taught to always take an anabolic with an androgen - they work synergistically. I may try the low-medium dose test with Anavar. This combo gives me hellacious strength increases
I've been taught to always take an anabolic with an androgen - they work synergistically. I may try the low-medium dose test with Anavar. This combo gives me hellacious strength increases
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jao250 said:
Well, I've seen that argument before, but here's my problem with it. How can a compound that is weaker derivative of testosterone cause any better results than testosterone itself. There is only one type of androgen receptor, so how can filling it with a weaker version of what it was meant for cause any better result? It's kind of like using low octane gas in your car and hoping for better performance than with the high octane. Now I understand that deca is not a testosterone derivative, but it is still not as effective as test and it comes with it's own set of side effects, that in my opinion, are worse than tests. I also realize that different anabolics were developed to decrease the androgenic aspect of testosterone in order to make them more "user friendly" in the treatment of various illnesses. My concern isn't illness though, it's building muscle. I know that the androgenic aspect of test contributes to the possibility of more side effects, but that's not what I'm talking about either. I'm talking strictly from a muscle building standpoint, can anyone give any evidence that there is any MUSCLE BUILDING advantage to using any anabolic/androgenic steroid OTHER THAN testosterone?
Ivan, I've read that post before, but my experience with test has been the opposite. When I go clean for long periods, every tendon and joint problem I've ever had come back to haunt me. When I'm on test though, everything feels great. Granted, tren helps even more, but test alone has always helped my tendons feel better. Therefore in that regard, I am honestly not even interested in what the other types of gear do to my tendons. It is a good post though and maybe others can benefit from it. As for me, all I want to know is what exactly is the muscle building advantage to using anything other than test.
i think they work just fine...
i do think that you should increase the test dosage however...if using just test...
as far as "weaker derivatives" of test...
well i dont think mg for mg...dbol is weaker than test...
i do think that you should increase the test dosage however...if using just test...
as far as "weaker derivatives" of test...
well i dont think mg for mg...dbol is weaker than test...
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