Testosterone Hinders Male Immune system

[Steve123]

NRM: Testosterone emasculates the male immune system

Kind of an old article but do you think this is true...the hypothesis that higher T levels are responsible for a weaker immune system?

 

[EDED]

such an open topic

let me ask you this,,,,over reactive immune system, good?

is anything this way or the other any good?

imbalance is bad, balance is good

end of story.

 

[ericraven2003]

Since starting low dose test and HGH. My immune funcion has jumped a little over 100 points.

 

[MrCyp]

Using test at 150mg/wk has really helped my immune system. i stay in range but in the high end. Whenever I go over that or do a cycle Im always sick.

 

[Macro]

yeah..... OK.


COMPLETE NONSENSE.

women have higher rates of physical illness. Women have significantly higher autoimmune diseases.


its stupidity like this that overlooks the entire system, the male immune system is far and away better.

estrogen and prolactin (in particular) are highly linked to immune over response and auto-immune diseases.

now in older men, because of decline of growth hormone and lower hormones in general. women do better at that stage. during adolenscence, because of high estrogen and prolactin, males also do not fare as well (though not significantly worse than comparable females modela)

 

[Steve123]

yeah..... OK.


COMPLETE NONSENSE.

women have higher rates of physical illness. Women have significantly higher autoimmune diseases.


its stupidity like this that overlooks the entire system, the male immune system is far and away better.

estrogen and prolactin (in particular) are highly linked to immune over response and auto-immune diseases.

now in older men, because of decline of growth hormone and lower hormones in general. women do better at that stage. during adolenscence, because of high estrogen and prolactin, males also do not fare as well (though not significantly worse than comparable females modela)

That's what I figured. I started looking into this because my Primary Care Physician recently told me the following about TRT:

1) Testosterone causes Renal Failure
2) Test causes Prostate cancer
3) Test causes Liver cancer

Oh yeah, he also told me that if he went along with TRT, it would have to be in the form of Gel because it's the only way to measure levels. He said you cannot measure it when it's injectable.

He's a nice guy and willing to at least help but God this just gets stupid after a while.......

 

[Macro]

you can kindly tell him that there is basically no link between testosterone or DHT and prostate cancer. you can kindly tell him to spend some time looking at the high level links between prolactin and estrogen to prostate cancer.

: Vopr Onkol. 2008;54(4):457-62.Links
[Role of hormonal profile in adjusting therapy for prostate cancer][Article in Russian]


Granov AM, Molchanov OE, Karelin MI.
Changes in testosterone, prolactin and estradiol levels were evaluated vis-a-vis outcome and different patterns of androgen suppression--continuous androgen blockade or intermittent therapy--for prostate cancer patients. There was a significant difference between pre- (3.4 +/- 0.5 mM/l) and post- (1.0 +/- 0.3 mM/l) treatment levels of testosterone in cases of tumor progression and that in patients with positive response--(9.1 +/- 0.6 mM/l) and (4.3 +/- 0.4 mM/l), respectively. Relatively low levels of testosterone involved tumor progression. Prolactin level was significantly higher in patients with multiple distant metastases--(18.6 +/- 1.2 microg/l) and isolated foci--(9.5 +/- 0.8 microg/l) while tumor progression was associated with enhancing correlation with PSA concentration. It was established that prolactin level can be used as a criterion for resumption or discontinuation of intermittent therapy. Estradiol dynamics was similar to that of prolactin. The difference between pre- (172.9 +/- 9.8 pM/l) and post- (246.5 +/- 12.8 pM/l) treatment levels of estradiol in cases of tumor progression was significantly higher than that in patients with positive response (85.0 +/- 3.8 pM/l) and (76.9 +/- 4.4 pM/l), respectively.

 

[The BB Monad]

HIV patients use Nandrolone to gain weight and strengthen immune system, not testosterone because it hinders it.

Some combine both because of the sex drive.

There has to be some truth in there!

 

[triathloncoach]

A sample of 1

I'm 46. Been on HRT, with 2 blasts for the past 15 months. I haven't even had a sniffle. I've always been healthy, but this is quite a stretch of perfection. And I have a 10 & 7 year old who always bring home colds from school.

HRT certainly hasn't hurt my immune function.

 

[weltweite]

HIV patients use Nandrolone to gain weight and strengthen immune system, not testosterone because it hinders it.

Some combine both because of the sex drive.

There has to be some truth in there!

I thought deca reduced interferon in the body

Deca-use may hide tuberculosis

I typed "nandrolone interferon" in google too, and found a few links

 

[Big Dave Smith]

On- I never EVER get sick

Off- I better take my vitamins, wash my hands, and keep the antibiotics ready... or else I get the sniffles from watching somebody sneeze from 100 feet away.

 

[Steve123]

you can kindly tell him that there is basically no link between testosterone or DHT and prostate cancer. you can kindly tell him to spend some time looking at the high level links between prolactin and estrogen to prostate cancer.

: Vopr Onkol. 2008;54(4):457-62.Links
[Role of hormonal profile in adjusting therapy for prostate cancer][Article in Russian]


Granov AM, Molchanov OE, Karelin MI.
Changes in testosterone, prolactin and estradiol levels were evaluated vis-a-vis outcome and different patterns of androgen suppression--continuous androgen blockade or intermittent therapy--for prostate cancer patients. There was a significant difference between pre- (3.4 +/- 0.5 mM/l) and post- (1.0 +/- 0.3 mM/l) treatment levels of testosterone in cases of tumor progression and that in patients with positive response--(9.1 +/- 0.6 mM/l) and (4.3 +/- 0.4 mM/l), respectively. Relatively low levels of testosterone involved tumor progression. Prolactin level was significantly higher in patients with multiple distant metastases--(18.6 +/- 1.2 microg/l) and isolated foci--(9.5 +/- 0.8 microg/l) while tumor progression was associated with enhancing correlation with PSA concentration. It was established that prolactin level can be used as a criterion for resumption or discontinuation of intermittent therapy. Estradiol dynamics was similar to that of prolactin. The difference between pre- (172.9 +/- 9.8 pM/l) and post- (246.5 +/- 12.8 pM/l) treatment levels of estradiol in cases of tumor progression was significantly higher than that in patients with positive response (85.0 +/- 3.8 pM/l) and (76.9 +/- 4.4 pM/l), respectively.

Thanks Macro. I will run this by him. Here's the problem. He knows I'm self administering TRT. I went in for blood work this AM. He will review results but wants me to just cut out the therapy and crash. He said there is no need for any PCT and he wants me to just stay off (cold turkey) for 6 nonths and then we'll see if I need it.

I told him that I don't accept that plan. I see no benefit (and even more draw backs) to completely crashing! He just said we'll see what the blood work tells us.

The guy is not that bright on this subject but he seems at least flexible.

The one thing that I do not like about PCP's is that they are sometimes arrogant and can't seem to recogize what they don't know.

I'm in the Financial business. I can talk all day about retirement plans, mutual funds and other invesmtment matter. However, if you came to me and said "Steve, can we do some work in the commodity trading space?" I would say sure but I will referr you to somoene for that. In my business arrogance will land you either in Jail, out of business or without a lisence.