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First off, why did the Gay thread get closed? This board used to have great debates and so what if there is controversy, this is why I do not post much anymore! I agreed with Lipharted and IABADMAN and Big A, they all made some good posts. (and some others I may have fogotten)
Here is the bottom line:
Who are we as a people to question what others do to find love? Or to question that they have been born with a different sexual orientation that is not the majority? That makes it wrong? How ignorant. Ouch that hurts made a lot of sense, and like him I could go on and on about some of the ignorance involved in the thread.
Ask yourself this question:
Is love God? What is love? Why does it feel so good to love and be loved? Because it is human. It is programmed in all of us. Instead of judging others, love them for their differences and variations. That is what makes us human beings so beautiful. If a man loves another man, then he has succeeded. So then people say: " yeah but it is not right, because obviously god designed people to be able to reproduce." WRONG. GOD (or your own definition of a higher power, the creator, designer etc.) designed us TO LOVE. So if a man finds love with another man, he has suceeded in that endeavor. Perhaps it is the universe's way of population control. The universe has a plan for everything and everybody, we do not have the mental capacity to understand this. BUT WHAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND IS THIS:
If GOD is by the very definition LOVE, then what exactly is love? Love is accepting others, and finding the uniqueness of others and loving them for being them. William Shakespeare once said: " Eventually man comes to hate that which he fears." FEAR... We fear what we do not know, or do not understand. so we hate it or hate that. Even in elementary school, kids bully and pick on those that are different. It is fear, which IMO is the root of all evil. It is an infectious and toxic substance of influence. So I ask for some empathy. Let's flip the script here. Imagine it was a predominantly gay world, and heteros were the minority. How would y'all like it if we got caught looking at a girl and we were insulted, beaten up, shunned by the world? Or in some instances we had to hide our sexuality, lie to others, lie to ourselves, living a miserable life because other people would not accept you as being "right". Or proper. These poor souls have been taught to basically hate themselves, so they never have a chance to find real love because you cannot love another until you truly love yourself. Is it right that they have to hide how they feel? And when they do come out, they are ridiculed and beaten? How will we ever make it with such primitive thinking? A lot of things are changing, remember when blacks were segregated and looked at as an inferior race? Then the civil rights erupted and with change came a lot of opposition, and there were many who it did not sit right with, yet over time it is now nationally accepted albeit a handfull of supremacy groups. In time, this too (the homosexuality concept) will be accepted fully. It is stupid and petty to make such a big deal about whether or not Billy Bob sucks dick or not. How baout hunger??? Peace???? Holy shit poeple. Do you see the foolishness of it all?
As we evolve into the new millenium there has been a tidal wave of changes, and yeah the gay community has a voice now, and that voice wants to be heard, to be recognized. They are human beings! Some theorists have argued that in the end, man only wants someone to listen. So when a man approaches you, and makes a pass at you, like a lot of people said, be flattered. THEY LIKE YOU. THEY LIKE YOU. They found something attractive about you, they are appreciating something about you. They most likely do not know if you are gay or not, they do not think you look gay, (maybe sometimes they do) how are they to know? How would us straight men ever get dates if we were to afraid to talk to ladies in fear we would be alienated and criticised? Think about how life must be for the gay community. It has gotten much better that it was 20-100 years ago, yet we still hear of beatings and ignorant statements like that of Tim Hardaway. When hear homophobic statements I always wonder what that person is so scared of.. Is it something they see in themselves, and hate themselves for it? I am an athlete and I am sure there have been some times that a fellow athlete or teammate perhaps was gay and maybe stole a glance or two at my stuff. You know what? Go ahead and look, I'm a beautiful male specimen and too bad for you, but it for the ladies. I'm not gonna puff up and decide I have to kick his ass because he *might* be entertaining the thought of a sexual fantasy with me. So the fuck what??! And the day I have kids and they ask me what those two men are doing, I am going to tell them, why lie and try to demonize them? This is the world we live in folks, and it is beautiful, in all it's variations, colors, sexes, orientations, etc etc.. See it for what it is, and do not discriminate based on a fear rooted deep in your subconscious. If you are confident of who YOU ARE and what you are about, you would give two shits about gay people, because you know who you are, and you are secure with yourself. Just remember this folks, this is the world that WE live in, not yours, but ours. Gay people ARE people and should be treated as such. Shit the fashion industry would be nowhere without their influence, as well as a lot of other businesses/industries. For Tim Hardaway to say: " Gay people? That's just wrong. They are wrong." No, Tim, you are wrong. The bible has done a nice job of demonizing gays, and it is time for us to grow up and realize and recognize the ugly face of prejudice.
We are one. We are all connected. Love your fellow man, because he is you, and you are he.
Here is the bottom line:
Who are we as a people to question what others do to find love? Or to question that they have been born with a different sexual orientation that is not the majority? That makes it wrong? How ignorant. Ouch that hurts made a lot of sense, and like him I could go on and on about some of the ignorance involved in the thread.
Ask yourself this question:
Is love God? What is love? Why does it feel so good to love and be loved? Because it is human. It is programmed in all of us. Instead of judging others, love them for their differences and variations. That is what makes us human beings so beautiful. If a man loves another man, then he has succeeded. So then people say: " yeah but it is not right, because obviously god designed people to be able to reproduce." WRONG. GOD (or your own definition of a higher power, the creator, designer etc.) designed us TO LOVE. So if a man finds love with another man, he has suceeded in that endeavor. Perhaps it is the universe's way of population control. The universe has a plan for everything and everybody, we do not have the mental capacity to understand this. BUT WHAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND IS THIS:
If GOD is by the very definition LOVE, then what exactly is love? Love is accepting others, and finding the uniqueness of others and loving them for being them. William Shakespeare once said: " Eventually man comes to hate that which he fears." FEAR... We fear what we do not know, or do not understand. so we hate it or hate that. Even in elementary school, kids bully and pick on those that are different. It is fear, which IMO is the root of all evil. It is an infectious and toxic substance of influence. So I ask for some empathy. Let's flip the script here. Imagine it was a predominantly gay world, and heteros were the minority. How would y'all like it if we got caught looking at a girl and we were insulted, beaten up, shunned by the world? Or in some instances we had to hide our sexuality, lie to others, lie to ourselves, living a miserable life because other people would not accept you as being "right". Or proper. These poor souls have been taught to basically hate themselves, so they never have a chance to find real love because you cannot love another until you truly love yourself. Is it right that they have to hide how they feel? And when they do come out, they are ridiculed and beaten? How will we ever make it with such primitive thinking? A lot of things are changing, remember when blacks were segregated and looked at as an inferior race? Then the civil rights erupted and with change came a lot of opposition, and there were many who it did not sit right with, yet over time it is now nationally accepted albeit a handfull of supremacy groups. In time, this too (the homosexuality concept) will be accepted fully. It is stupid and petty to make such a big deal about whether or not Billy Bob sucks dick or not. How baout hunger??? Peace???? Holy shit poeple. Do you see the foolishness of it all?
As we evolve into the new millenium there has been a tidal wave of changes, and yeah the gay community has a voice now, and that voice wants to be heard, to be recognized. They are human beings! Some theorists have argued that in the end, man only wants someone to listen. So when a man approaches you, and makes a pass at you, like a lot of people said, be flattered. THEY LIKE YOU. THEY LIKE YOU. They found something attractive about you, they are appreciating something about you. They most likely do not know if you are gay or not, they do not think you look gay, (maybe sometimes they do) how are they to know? How would us straight men ever get dates if we were to afraid to talk to ladies in fear we would be alienated and criticised? Think about how life must be for the gay community. It has gotten much better that it was 20-100 years ago, yet we still hear of beatings and ignorant statements like that of Tim Hardaway. When hear homophobic statements I always wonder what that person is so scared of.. Is it something they see in themselves, and hate themselves for it? I am an athlete and I am sure there have been some times that a fellow athlete or teammate perhaps was gay and maybe stole a glance or two at my stuff. You know what? Go ahead and look, I'm a beautiful male specimen and too bad for you, but it for the ladies. I'm not gonna puff up and decide I have to kick his ass because he *might* be entertaining the thought of a sexual fantasy with me. So the fuck what??! And the day I have kids and they ask me what those two men are doing, I am going to tell them, why lie and try to demonize them? This is the world we live in folks, and it is beautiful, in all it's variations, colors, sexes, orientations, etc etc.. See it for what it is, and do not discriminate based on a fear rooted deep in your subconscious. If you are confident of who YOU ARE and what you are about, you would give two shits about gay people, because you know who you are, and you are secure with yourself. Just remember this folks, this is the world that WE live in, not yours, but ours. Gay people ARE people and should be treated as such. Shit the fashion industry would be nowhere without their influence, as well as a lot of other businesses/industries. For Tim Hardaway to say: " Gay people? That's just wrong. They are wrong." No, Tim, you are wrong. The bible has done a nice job of demonizing gays, and it is time for us to grow up and realize and recognize the ugly face of prejudice.
We are one. We are all connected. Love your fellow man, because he is you, and you are he.
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