THE ULTIMATE RECOVERY/PCT!!!!!

Fullybuilt · Jun 17, 2006

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I plan on attempting in Feb07 which will mark my 2year mark. Im gonna follow this program Author L. Rea wrote with some additions. I've been on hcg at 500iu 2x per week the entire time, so there is no need for such a high hcg dose as listed. I'll maybe use 500iu 4-5times per week during this protocol instead of the 2000iu blasts. I also will use aromasin instead of formastane and i'd love to use lupron but its impossible to find. If I find it i'll use it. I still think some clomid and nolva is needed, b/c he has you finish the protocol with hcg which still shuts you down, so after I complete this 3week protocol, i'll run a standard 3-4week clomid/nolva pct as well. Oh and i'll be on at least 4iu's of GH and maybe some IGF to keep muscle while test will be at 0. What are your opinions? Would you add anything? Drop anything? Any changes? Thanks

Blasting Big Balls Protocol: (right from the book)
Day
1. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/Lupron .35mg
2. Lupron .35 mg
3. Lupron .35 mg
4. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/Lupron .35mg
5. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
6. Lupron .35 mg
7. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
8. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/Pergonal
9. HCG 2000iu
10. Pergonal
11. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg
12. Pergonal/HCG 2000iu
13. Pergonal
14. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/HCG 2000iu
15. Pergonal
16. HCG 2000iu
17. Pergonal
18. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg
19. Pergonal/HCG 2000iu
20.
21. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/HCG 2000iu
22. Lupron .35 mg
23. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
24. Lupron .35 mg
25. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/Lupron .35mg
26. Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
27. Lupron .35 mg
28. Cabergoline .25mg/Formastane 250mg/Lupron .35mg/HCG 2000iu
Pergonal is HMG comes in 75 iu of FSH and 75 iu of LH per single dose vial. And it is a Sub-Q. Generic version is IM. About $11.
It says that in almost all cases where HPTA function has been inhibited by the negative feedback loop due to AAS use, activity can be restored in about THREE months. The key factors are:
1.) Control or elimination of negative feedback loops factors such as estrogen and prolactin.
2,) Reinitiating of pituitary and testes function.
Okay, so the use of an anti-prolactin like cabergoline or bromocriptine is needed, as is an anti-aromatase (anti-estrogen) such as Arimidex or Formastane for elimination of negative feedback loops. Reinitiating of the pituitary glands and testes function is a matter of supplying GnRH, LH and FSH in the correct sequence to avoid additional feedback loops.

Dave_19 · Jun 17, 2006

Sounds interesting, but seems like a lot of drugs that may be hard to get. cabergoline I know IBE has, but thats about it.

I have heard people say before "you are either on, or you’re off" when commenting on PCT and things like bridging. I don't agree with that statement. I know a lot of the elite pros are not on tons of gear there entire competitive lives with out breaks. When they do take breaks on the off season there has to be a perfect way to maintain muscle with out shrinking too much, or with out shrinking to the point where a 20 weeker wouldn't take you back to your oringal size. Maybe GH/igf all year round? I think Kevin Levrone was the one who claimed he only trained 6 months out of the year when competitive. I'm not really sure about it all, but it's a topic im interested in.

bellicose · Jun 17, 2006

holy shit!!! WTF are you using lupron for????

neils1153 · Jun 18, 2006

this is my theroy on PCT... i will make this simple, and im saying for me only... been in the game since mid 1990's, tried most new PCT ideas using nolva, clomid, HCG, "tribilus lol", etc... seems like no matter what i tried i still seemed to take 3 steps foward and one and a half steps back after cycle... today the only thing i ever use is some clomid post cycle if that even... good luck to you guys using copious amounts of post cycle drungs and chemical cocktails, but to me i would be more worried about my liver etc. than loosing 6-8lbs of the 20 lbs you gained while on... peace...

terryd5150 · Jun 18, 2006

Fullybuilt said:
I plan on attempting in Feb07 which will mark my 2year mark.

Two years...really? What kind of gains have you made?

dragonfire101 · Jun 18, 2006

Have you checked out Michael C. Scally, M.D. article out yet. The link is below.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/scally/anabolic-steroid-induced-hypogonadism.htm

So his PCT suggestions would look something like this.

2500 iu HCG EOD for 8 shots (15 days total),
20 mg of nolvadex for 45 days,
50 mg of clomid taken twice a day 12 hours apart for a total of 30 days.

I think it looks fine for the most part. I would just have prolactin levels checked with blood work post cycle and maybe add Carbogoline if they are high. Other than that maybe run HCG through the entire cycle like Dr. Crisler (SWALE) suggest, but he is reffering to mostley TRT.

Fullybuilt · Jun 18, 2006

terryd5150 said:
Two years...really? What kind of gains have you made?

Around 215lbs %17 at 5'10" to roughly 240 12% There were only two bulking cycles(12weeks each) and 2 cutting cycles(6-8weeks each) in this duration, so really only about a year was on AAS, the other approx 6months was maintainance with just HRT doses.

dragonfire101 · Jun 18, 2006

How about this PCT

HTML:

Week    Proviron   Phosphatidylersine    HCG   Clomid   Bromo     Nolva
                   DHEA/ Formestane 
                   INJECTABLE FORMULA
10.Deca  50mg ED                     1000iu 3xEW                  20mg ED
   Test                                    
11.      25mg ED       200mg EOD     1000iu 3xEW        1.25mgEd  20mg ED
                                            
12.      25mg ED       200mg EOD            100mg ED    1.25mgED  20mg ED
                                                             
13.      25mg ED        200mg EOD           50mg ED               20mg ED
                                                                  
14.                     200mg EOD           50mg ED     1.25mg ED 20mg ED
                                                                               
15.                     200mg EOD                                 20mg ED
                                                                               
16.                     200mg EOD                      1.25mg ED  20mg ED

Magnum · Jun 18, 2006

neils1153 said:
this is my theroy on PCT... i will make this simple, and im saying for me only... been in the game since mid 1990's, tried most new PCT ideas using nolva, clomid, HCG, "tribilus lol", etc... seems like no matter what i tried i still seemed to take 3 steps foward and one and a half steps back after cycle... today the only thing i ever use is some clomid post cycle if that even... good luck to you guys using copious amounts of post cycle drungs and chemical cocktails, but to me i would be more worried about my liver etc. than loosing 6-8lbs of the 20 lbs you gained while on... peace...

Agreed, Clomid if needed is all that is needed. BTW, Lupron is a very dangerous drug. Some of the side effects include, heart attack and ready for this one? SUDDEN DEATH! Did reasearh on it over 5 years ago (my Dad was on it) and he had a heart attack not long after being put on it.