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[chevy1234]

Cycle was test e and deca,with a short 4 wk start of d- bol.Good gains after 8wks.Looking forward to next cycle in 6 to 7 weeks.Im thinking that should be enough time off.Gonna take clomid and work hard to keep gains.Heard creatine helps that but not sure.next cycle 18wks.

 

[maldorf]

Cycle was test e and deca,with a short 4 wk start of d- bol.Good gains after 8wks.Looking forward to next cycle in 6 to 7 weeks.Im thinking that should be enough time off.Gonna take clomid and work hard to keep gains.Heard creatine helps that but not sure.next cycle 18wks.

You plan on running a cycle for 18 weeks long next time? Poor idea. I found that when I ran a cycle over maybe 9 weeks I saw little to any gains on the remainder of the cycle. I tried a few that were about 12 weeks and saw no more growth. What I did experience though were more side effects and a harder time when comming off in PCT. PCT becomes more of a battle.

 

[chevy1234]

I was counting the pct but still at 15.I keep hearing test starts to peak at 12 wks.What gives?

 

[maldorf]

I was counting the pct but still at 15.I keep hearing test starts to peak at 12 wks.What gives?

That was never my experience when using the long esters like enanthate any cyp. For me I started feeling beneficial effects of the test after the first 7 days or so and it would peak around week 5 or 6. By week 8 or so things were starting to slow down and gains creeped. At that time I was faced with quitting the cycle or increasing the dosage even more. That is what it came down to for me. Sometimes I chose to take more and gains would start up again and I could get another 4 weeks of gains. Problem with that is you start to be unsafe using too much gear. Its a slippery slope. You do not want to become dependant too much on steroids to put on muscle. It should merely be a supplement and not a crutch for you to lean on.
I cannot understand how anyone would claim it takes them 12 weeks to peak. Perhaps their gear is underdosed. All I know is that I would peak around week 5 or 6. Sometimes I would jump start a cycle by doubling up on the dose for the first week in order to get it to start working a bit faster. I do not recommend doing that though. I do not think it is really needed.

 

[Ruhlfreak55]

That was never my experience when using the long esters like enanthate any cyp. For me I started feeling beneficial effects of the test after the first 7 days or so and it would peak around week 5 or 6. By week 8 or so things were starting to slow down and gains creeped. At that time I was faced with quitting the cycle or increasing the dosage even more. That is what it came down to for me. Sometimes I chose to take more and gains would start up again and I could get another 4 weeks of gains. Problem with that is you start to be unsafe using too much gear. Its a slippery slope. You do not want to become dependant too much on steroids to put on muscle. It should merely be a supplement and not a crutch for you to lean on.
I cannot understand how anyone would claim it takes them 12 weeks to peak. Perhaps their gear is underdosed. All I know is that I would peak around week 5 or 6. Sometimes I would jump start a cycle by doubling up on the dose for the first week in order to get it to start working a bit faster. I do not recommend doing that though. I do not think it is really needed.

that's not REMOTELY the norm and standard that everyone goes by....the rule is not even start feeling it until week 4 or 5

 

[Johnny Smiles]

that's not REMOTELY the norm and standard that everyone goes by....the rule is not even start feeling it until week 4 or 5

when on HRT if you just barely up the dose you can feel it very quickly. as quick as 2 weeks and i would be willing to bet i can tell a difference the first week. -JS

 

[Ruhlfreak55]

when on HRT if you just barely up the dose you can feel it very quickly. as quick as 2 weeks and i would be willing to bet i can tell a difference the first week. -JS

really? cool, didn't know that.....so why does it take the levels so long to build up from the starting point then?

 

[maldorf]

when on HRT if you just barely up the dose you can feel it very quickly. as quick as 2 weeks and i would be willing to bet i can tell a difference the first week. -JS

Yep. I felt it in about 7 days tops.

 

[maldorf]

really? cool, didn't know that.....so why does it take the levels so long to build up from the starting point then?

Im willing to bet that a lot of the gear out there is either underdosed or not what it is supposed to be. The stuff I use now is US grade pharm, the best you can get. I felt the effects really in less than 7 days. It was like a miracle. It hit me faster than the stuff I used to get on my own. Even the stuff I got on my own though would kick in pretty damn hard by 2 weeks. Some of the crap I bought early on, yeah it took me almost 4 weeks to feel anything. Some of that crappy Brovel stuff hurt like hell and didnt kick in much for almost 3 weeks.

 

[Ruhlfreak55]

Im willing to bet that a lot of the gear out there is either underdosed or not what it is supposed to be. The stuff I use now is US grade pharm, the best you can get. I felt the effects really in less than 7 days. It was like a miracle. It hit me faster than the stuff I used to get on my own. Even the stuff I got on my own though would kick in pretty damn hard by 2 weeks. Some of the crap I bought early on, yeah it took me almost 4 weeks to feel anything. Some of that crappy Brovel stuff hurt like hell and didnt kick in much for almost 3 weeks.

Ok well i made mine and overdosed it and it still took 4 weeks for the test to kick me

 

[maldorf]

Ok well i made mine and overdosed it and it still took 4 weeks for the test to kick me

I used to do the same thing. Maybe its the powder source. Not all powder is created equal. You cannot assume just because its powder that it is 90%pure or whatever it claims to be. Stuff Ive seen used to come with a printout from the lab showing its authenticity and purity, but I took it with a grain of salt. Just beacuse they say its xyz doesnt mean its what they say it is.

 

[Ruhlfreak55]

I used to do the same thing. Maybe its the powder source. Not all powder is created equal. You cannot assume just because its powder that it is 90%pure or whatever it claims to be. Stuff Ive seen used to come with a printout from the lab showing its authenticity and purity, but I took it with a grain of salt. Just beacuse they say its xyz doesnt mean its what they say it is.

well i can tell 1000mg on this is much greater than what i've called 1000mg in the past

 

[maldorf]

well i can tell 1000mg on this is much greater than what i've called 1000mg in the past

that was my experience too. Powder was better than the other crap I had been using for the most part. Either you are a low responder to AAS or your powder isnt as pure as its supposed to be. Anyhow, I wouldnt talk too much about powders if you live somewhere where its not legal. Im clean as a whistle here though and dont mind talking some about it.

 

[chevy1234]

Ok thanks for the input. But what about the time off.Do you think 6 to 7 weeks is enough after 8wks.I really want to start the month of Feb off to a get huge start.

 

[maldorf]

Ok thanks for the input. But what about the time off.Do you think 6 to 7 weeks is enough after 8wks.I really want to start the month of Feb off to a get huge start.

The way most look at it is time on= time off. So after an 8 week cycle 8 weeks may be enough. You would want to have a CBC along with cholesterol/lipid panel blood test to make sure everything is ok before you start again. I hope you reconsider running a cycle that is 18 weeks long next time around. Not a good idea for more reasons than one.

 

[wasp]

im on hrt, 10 weeks is all i need to blast...............

 

[chevy1234]

Maldorf i am going to shorten cycle! However,why does it seem like going on and off is more dangerous than staying on year round?Do you run clomid staying on year round or just check blood tests?Thanks for sharing your wisdom!

 

[maldorf]

Maldorf i am going to shorten cycle! However,why does it seem like going on and off is more dangerous than staying on year round?Do you run clomid staying on year round or just check blood tests?Thanks for sharing your wisdom!

Going on and off is not more dangerous, its much safer really. It is a challenge though to get your natural test back and to retain your gains. Overall though its going to allow your body to recover. If you stay on year round and cruise inbetween cycles, you need to cruise on a true HRT dose. That dose would be about 100 mg/wk. Problem I see though is guys "cruising" on anywhere from 250mg/wk up to 500 mg/wk or more. If youre young though and have healthy test levels, cruising on HRT doses really doesnt make sense. It really only makes sense once you get older or if you have been using AAS long enough that you have wrecked your HPTA, which is what controls your natural test secretion. I screwed mine up and now Im on HRT for the rest of my life. Unless you want to be on HRT the rest of your life, do not stay on year long.