Tribestan

[intense1]

Anyone tried it? Just seems like you have to take so much! They say anyone over 200 lbs take 6 daily and there is only 60 per bottle! Any input appreciated!

 

[ironone1]

Anyone tried it? Just seems like you have to take so much! They say anyone over 200 lbs take 6 daily and there is only 60 per bottle! Any input appreciated!

I took it before pct and sometimes on cycle. I never saw much from it. To me tribulus is a waste. I would just use protein and bcaas for recovery and increased libido. Don't waste your money on tribestan.

 

[bigman1]

I would disagree with IRON, I feel it works well, i t has a very high level of saponins. This is the key when buying trib. now there is one product which has a higher saponins and it is from Dorien Yates called Pro Male. Tribastan is cheaper then Pro Male but both work very well.

 

[Supreme Sports]

I would disagree with IRON, I feel it works well, i t has a very high level of saponins. This is the key when buying trib. now there is one product which has a higher saponins and it is from Dorien Yates called Pro Male. Tribastan is cheaper then Pro Male but both work very well.

Tribestan is AWESOME!

 

[KillerStack]

I would disagree with IRON, I feel it works well, i t has a very high level of saponins. This is the key when buying trib. now there is one product which has a higher saponins and it is from Dorien Yates called Pro Male. Tribastan is cheaper then Pro Male but both work very well.

Tribestan doesn't even work according to the Bulgarians. I think this study was done with the raw material in Sopharma Tribestan.

1: J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23.Click here to read Links
The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.
Neychev VK, Mitev VI.

Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria. [email protected]

OBJECTIVE: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.

The study hints at Tribulus having some aphrodisiac effects independent of testosterone.

 

[Supreme Sports]

Tribestan doesn't even work according to the Bulgarians. I think this study was done with the raw material in Sopharma Tribestan.



The study hints at Tribulus having some aphrodisiac effects independent of testosterone.

INCORRECT.

From Tribestan's WEBSITE: **broken link removed**

TRIBESTAN EFFECT ON THE CONCENTRATION OF SOME HORMONES IN THE SERUM OF HEALTHY SUBJECTS

S. Milanov, A. Maleeva, M. Taskov

RIRR - Radioisotope and Radioimmunological Laboratory, Sofia

Chemical Pharmaceutical Research Institute,
Sofia, Bulgaria

SUMMARY

Tribestan effect has been studied on the serum concentration of hypophyseal hormones, of ACTH, STH, LH, FSH, adrenal hormone aldosterone and cortisol and sex hormones - testosterone and estradiol. The experiments have been carried out on 8 males and 8 females, aged 28 - 45 years of age. The product was perorally administered in a single dose of 250 mg, three times daily for 5 days. Serum samples were withdrawn at 8 a.m. and 12 a.m., prior to and post treatment. The product has been established not to change essentially the concentrations of adrenal hormones and of ACTH. The hypophyseal-gonadal axis however has significantly been affected in the females with predominantly increased concentration of FSH and estradiol and in the males - mainly of LH and the testosterone. The mechanism of that action is presumed to be complicated and realized both by direct effect on gonadal apparatus and by the tropic hormones.
The probable established changes in the concentration of the hormones studied do not get out of the frames of the physiological limits.

The lyophilized extract of Tribulus terrestris, introduced in veterinary practice as TB-68, has pronounced sex-stimulating function. The initial studies of this product showed that it stimulates the spermatogenesis of albino rats (Vankov S., et al., 1973) and enhanced the ovulation of female rats (Vankov S. et al. 1973). Zarkova S. (1976) has also established in rats an increased number of spermatogonia, spermatocytes as well as increase of neutral mucopolysaccharides in seminiferous tubules of the testes. Gendzhev Z. and S. Zarkova, in other experiments (1978) proved the increase of spermatic reserve in the epididymis of rats.

With the view to the need of human medicine of a product stimulating sexual function, Tribestan was formulated on the base of the indicated phytochemical product. It contains saponins of furostanol type (Tomova M. et al., 1978). The first studies of Tribestan confirmed its high sex-stimulating activity in experimental animals (Zarkova S., 1981). Later, the clinical studies established a similar stimulating effect in humans as well (Protich M. at al. 1981). The present study was carried out with a view to throwing light on some aspects of the mechanism of that action of Tribestan, aiming at attaining an effect from the product on the serum concentration of some hypophyseal, sexual and adrenal hormones.

MATERIALS AND METHODS

The experiments were performed on 16 subjects (8 females and 8 males), aged 28-45. All subjects were in good health, without any complaints and good capacity for work. The following schedule was used:
1. The basic levels of hypophysiotropic hormones (ACTH, STH, LH, FSH), of sexual hormones (testosterone and estradiol) and of adrenal hormones (aldosterone and cortisol) were determined. They were determined twice, at 8 a.m. and 12 p.m. - one day prior to Tribestan treatment.
2. The treatment with the product was initiated on the following day, which was periodically administered, 250 mg, three times daily for 5 days.
3. After the termination of Tribestan treatment (day sixth after the initiation of the experiment), blood was again withdrawn (at the same hour - 8:00 a.m. and 12 p.m.) for the determination of the concentration of the indicated hormones.

The work proceeded in the following way: after centrifugation of 6 - 8 ml blood, the serum obtained was frozen at 20°C till the day of the determination of hormonal concentration. The determination was performed by radioimmune tests. LH and FSH were determined by the modified method of Midgley A.R., (1967), making use of some kits of Biodata company, Italy and ACTH and STH - according to the method of Berson S.A. and R. S. Yalow (1963). Testosterone was evaluated by the method of William R. H. (1968), and of estradiol by Orezyk G.P. et al. (1974), making use of kits of Sorin Company, Belgium for both hormones. The adrenal hormones cortisol and aldosterone were also determined by kits of that company, making use of Vescei P. (1974) and of William G and R. Hunderwood (1974).

The obtained results were statistically processed by variation analysis, by Student - t test.

RESULTS AND DISCUSSION

As could be seen from Table 1, LH level in the males was elevated with a high significance after the treatment (p < 0.001). The changes affected both samples to the same rate (at 8 a.m. and 12 p.m.). FSH concentration was not affected under the same conditions. The other two hypophyseal hormones, ACTH and STH were not changed.

An insignificant tendency to elevation was observed in STH level (mean values - 2.9 prior to and 3.2 mg/ml post treatment) in some of the cases. The level of sex hormones was strongly affected. Thus testosterone concentration was three-fold (2) increased and that of estradiol - about 1.5 times (Table 1).

Table 1
Hormone Prior to Tribestan
Post Tribestan

8 a.m.
12 p.m.
8 a.m.
12 p.m.

LH, mIU/ml X 13.0 14.38(1) 37.25 24.75
SX 0.64 0.73 1.01 0.79
Pt 0.001 0.001
FSH, mIU/ml X 13.38 13.50 13.38 11.38
SX 0.35 0.28 0.35 0.36
Pt >0.5 >0.5
Testosterone, ng % X 628 610 882 845
SX 48 46 35 32
Pt <0.001 <0.001
Estradiol pg/ml X 79 76 133 137.5
SX 3.46 2.24 6.72 5.86
Pt <0.001 <0.001

LH concentration was also increased in females under Tribestan effect. What impressed was that the significance was lower than the first sample. The greatest discrepancy, as compared with the results of the males, was the sharp stimulation of FSH. A strong effect was observed there, which could be explained by blood withdrawal during the early phase of the menstrual cycle, the so-called follicular phase. Estradiol was also strongly affected (Pt < 0.001), whereas testosterone in the females during the early hours of the day was less affected (Table 2).

Table 2
Hormone
Prior to Tribestan
Post Tribestan

8 a.m.
12 p.m.
8 a.m.
12 p.m.

LH, mIU/ml X 15.25 13.50 17.13 16.88
SX 0.64 0.87 0.73 0.35
Pt 0.02 0.001
FSH, mIU/ml X 11.00 11.88 17.75 15.25
SX 0.13 0.09 0.71 0.38
Pt 0.001 0.001
Estradiol mIU/ml X 72.13 59.38 77.13 87.50
SX 6.02 5.73 5.47 3.24
Pt 0.5 0.001

The level of adrenal hormone was identically affected both in males and females (Table 3). A significant increase of the concentration was also established though that effect had a relatively low significance (p < 0.05). At the same time, cortisol level was no changed (Table 3).



Table 3
Aldosterone Cortisol
Prior to Post Prior to Post
X 11.59 13.77 8.63 8.63
S 2.52 3.48 2.20 1.92
SX 0.63 0.87 0.55 0.48
Pt 0.05 0.05

The results obtained provided grounds to admit that Tribestan had a pronounced stimulating effect on the secretion of some hormones. The effect on the hormones along the hypophyseal-gonadal axis was particularly well manifested. The effect was manifested both at hypophyseal and gonadal level. Some sexual discrepancies were also established. Thus, FSH was mainly affected in the females. The presence of that hormone is exceptionally important during the follicular phase for the development of the follicle. When its development is stimulated, its secretory ability is also intensified and hence - estradiol level is elevated. Lutenizing hormone is more strongly influenced in the male, which on its part stimulates the secretion of testosterone.

ACTH and cortisol were not changed suggesting that they were not significantly involved in the realization of Tribestan effects. The tendency of stimulation of STH and aldosterone explained the activation of the anabolic processes in the body and general stimulating action of the product. The absence of effect on the level of cortisol showed however that the general tonic action was very strongly manifested.

It should be stressed that the level of the hormones studied did not go out beyond the physiological frames i.e. it did not disturb the physiological mechanisms of hormonal regulation.

References

Vankov S., S. Zarkova, Z. Gendzhev, M. Tomova - Effect of TB-68 on the spermatogenesis in albino rats. Proceeding of the Third National Conference of Pharmacology and Clinics of New Bulgarian Drugs, Sofia, November 14-16, 1973, v.2, 161-163.
Vankov S., S. Zarkova, M. Tomova - TB-68 effect on ovulation of albino rats. Proceedings of Third National Conference of Pharmacology and Clinics of New Bulgarian Drugs, Sofia, November 14-16, 1973, v.2, 165-167.
Gendzhev Z., S. Zarkova - Effect of the phyto-pharmaceutical TB-68 on the number of spermatozoa in epididymis of rat. Med. Archive, 1978, N I, 113-118.
Dimova P., M. Taskov - Comparative enzyme-histological studies of some phyto-products. MBI (at the printer's), 1981.
Zarkova S. - Morphological and histological changes in testes of rat under the effect of TB-68, Med. Archive, 1976, N 4, 49-53.
Protich M., D. Zvetanov, V. Nalbanski, R.Stanislavov, M.Kazarova - Clinical trial of Tribestan on infertile males, MBI (at the printer's).
Tomova M., V. Gyulemetova, S. Zarkova - Author's certificate N 77584 A 61 K 35/1978.
Berson S.A., R. S. Yalow - Immunoassay of protein hormones, The Hormones, Vol. V, Acad. Press., New York, 1963.
Midgley A.R. - Radioimmunoassay for Human, J. Clin. Endocr., 1967, 27, 295.
Orezyk, Gaylo P., Burton v. Caldwell, Harold H. Behrmaan - Methods of Hormone Radioimmunoassay - Ed. B. Jaffe, H. Berhmaan, A6. Press, NJ, London, 1974, 333-343.
Vescei P. - Glicocorticoids: Cortisol Corticosterone - Methods of Hormone Radioimmunoassay; Ed. B. Jaffe and H. Behrmaan, Ac. Press, NJ, London 393-412.
William R.H. - Textbook of Endocrinology 4th Edit. Saunder, Philadelphia, 1968.
Williams Gordon H., Richard H. Hunderwood - Methods of Hormon Radioimmunoassay; Ed. B. Jaffe and H. Behrmaan, Ac. Press, NJ, London, 1974, 371-390.

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NOTES BELOW ARE NOT PART OF ORIGINAL DOCUMENT

Corrections:

Corrected value to 14.38 where previous value erroneously published was 14.28. (Date of correction 01/16/2002.
Inconsistency in the statement three-fold and table values. Corresponds to English translated document. Needs comparison with original document in Bulgarian language. Further investigation underway.

 

[Supreme Sports]

The extract MUST BE STANDARDIZED for the steroidal saponin called "Protodioscin"! An effective extract MUST CONTAIN AT LEAST 10% PROTODIOSCIN.

Unfortunately, many of the Tribulus products on the market are BUNK, as found by this study below:

COMPARATIVE ANALYTICAL INVESTIGATION OF TRIBULUS TERRESTRIS PREPARATIONS
D.Obreshkova, T.Pangarova, S.Milkov and D.Dinchev
Publication in Pharmacia, vol. XLV, bk. 2/1998, 11.
Sopharma Ltd.

Summary: A comparative investigation in respect to qualitative and quantitative composition of raw materials from Tribulus terrestris L. and a variety of preparations from different origin have been performed. The results obtained concerning furostanol saponins indicate that most of the raw materials are either impurified products derived from Tribulus terrestris or from the powdered plant itself. The content of protodioscin and protogracillin in the preparations except for Bulgarian Tribestan film tablets (Sopharma) are in insignificant amount.

Tribulus terrestris L. Zigophyllaceae has long been quite popular in the folk medicine of the Oriental countries and Bulgaria as a medicinal plant in the treatment of sexual deficiency. Based on that information an original non-hormonal natural product Tribestan has been developed in Chemical Pharmaceutical Research Institute [13, 16, 17, 20] and is in production by Sopharma Joint Stock Co., Bulgaria.

The active components of Tribestan are steroid saponins of furostanol type [3, 12, 14, 15]. The two dominating furostanol bisglycosides have been identified as protodioscin and protogracillin [18] and have been tested biologically as pure substances [24].

As far as Tribestan is non-hormonal phytochemical preparation, the drug has an effect on the hormonal balance in the body [1, 8, 9, 12]. Simultaneously with emphasis upon sexual system, Tribestan has shown a general stimulating action such as motor activity, muscle tone, restorative tonic for vigor, vitality and stamina. For that reason Tribestan is suitable and successfully applied in bodybuilding and in force sports.

Toxicological studies [11], teratogenic [5] and carcinogenic [2] investigations, clinical check ups [7, 10, 23] show that Tribestan has a very good tolerance and no undesired side effects.

It may be remarked that a number of containing Tribulus terrestris are on sale in the U.S.A., with a claim of a high stimulating action. Tribulus terrestris L. is still a plant of high interest nowadays [21].

The purpose of our study is to determine furostanol saponins [4, 5, 6] in a number of raw materials of different origin as a lot of American preparations in comparison with Bulgarian Tribestan substance and filmtablets produced by Sopharma.

Materials and Methods

The analytical method used for quantitative determination of furostanol saponins [4] has been accepted by registration of Tribestan in the United States.

Results and Discussion

The results obtained are shown in Table 1 for raw materials from Tribulus terrestris and in Table 2 for Tribulus terrestris preparations.

It is obvious that most of the raw materials and preparations contain different amount of furostanol saponins, much less than those in the Bulgarian preparation. They vary in dependence on their origin.
Table 1 Source Tribulus terrestris raw materials Principle furostanol saponin Conternt of Furostanol saponins calculated with reference to Protodioscin per cent
Sopharma Tribestan
- Lot No. 01196 Protodioscin, Protogracillin 51.6
- Lot No. 21296 Protodioscin, Protogracillin 52.6
- Lot No 10197 Protodioscin, Protogracillin 53.0
- Lot No 20297 Protodioscin, Protogracillin 57.0
Dabur, India VI-1006 Unknown 0.1
Kaiser Pharmaceuticals Taiwan - Product # 856 Lot # 18204 Protogracillin 0.2
Pharmabul, USA - Lot # 9610819, 3-7-97, 40 mesh Protodioscin, Protogracillin 1.5
Technical Sourcing International Inc. (TSI) lot # SM971016 Saponin 90%, Furostanol 15% Protogracillin 20.0
Hackettstown 07840
- Batch # TTR-9705
-Batch # TTR-9801
Protogracillin
Protogracillin
3.5
4.5
China origin
-No 8745/5/20/98
-No 5424CB/5/20/98
Protogracillin
Unknown
3.2
less than 0.1

Table 2 Source Tribulus terrestris preparations Principle furostanol saponin Conternt of Furostanol saponins calculated with reference to Protodioscin per cent in grams per tablet/capsule
Sopharma Tribestan
- Lot No. 120798 Protodioscin, Protogracillin 0.1050
- Lot No. 70298 Protodioscin, Protogracillin 0.1144
- Lot No 70498 Protodioscin, Protogracillin 0.1189
LifeTime Sports Nutrition's MALE POWER II Protodioscin, Protogracillin 0.0080
Gero Vita International GemiX Protodioscin, Protogracillin 0.0051
Biotest Laboratories TRIBEX 500 Protogracillin 0.0216
SciFi's 19-NOR TRIBUSTENE Protogracillin 0.0083
Prolab's CHRYSIN ANDROSTEN Unknown 0.0003
Optimum Nutrition's ANDRO STACK 850 Protogracillin 0.0040
AST Research's ANDRO PLEX 700 Protodioscin, Protogracillin 0.0047
Muscletech's ANOTESTEN Protodioscin, Protogracillin 0.0159
Twinlab's TRIBULUS FUEL Protogracillin 0.0051
Twinlab's TESTOSTERONE FUEL BOOSTER Protogracillin 0.0030
Klein Laboratories/Sports One ANDRO-XS Protogracillin 0.0047
Universal Laboratories ANDRO STACK Unknown 0.0005
Natural Balance/Per Products ANDRO MAX Protodioscin, Protogracillin 0.0049
Bodyonic's TRIBESTROL PINNACLE Protodioscin, Protogracillin 0.0080
Engineered & Applied Science ANDRO 6 Protodioscin, Protogracillin 0.0091
Pharmabul's TRIBESTAN Protodioscin, Protogracillin 0.0053
Nuntritional Technologies, Inc. TRIBULUS TERRESTRIS Protogracillin 0.0029
ASN's PHYTOBUL Protogracillin 0.0051
Golden's TETRAGEN Protodioscin, Protogracilllin 0.0092


References

1. Dikova, N et V. Ognyanova. Pharmacokinetic studies on Tribestan - Anniversary scientific session '35 Years Chemical Pharmaceutical Research Institute, Sofia, 1983.
2. Gendjev, Z. Studies on Tribestan carcinogenicity. Scientific-Technical Report, 1983.
3. Gyulemetova, R. - Diploma thesis, 1973.
4. Gyulemetova, R., et al. On Tribestan standardization - Pharmazie, 37, 1982, 4.
5. Ilieva, Z. Embriotoxic and teratological studies on Tribestan, Scientific-Technical report, 1981.
6. Kiosava Shu et M. Hatoh - Chem. Pharm. Bull., 16, 1968, No. 6, 1162.
7. Koumanov, F. et al. Clinical trial of Tribestan - Exper. Med. 1982, No. 2.
8. Milanov, S. et al. Tribestan effect on the concentration of some hormones in the serum of healthy subjects.
9. Nicolov, R. Neuropharmacological study on Tribestan. Scientific-Technical Report, 1981.
10. Protich, M. et al. Clinical trial on Tribestan on infertile males. Scientific-Technical report, 1981.
11. Tanev, G. and S. Zarkova: Toxicological studies on Tribestan. Scientific-Technical report, 1981.
12. Tomova, M. et D.Panova - Pharmacia (Sofia), 4, 211.
13. Tomova, M., D. Panova, S. Zarkova et V., Dikov license (II) 11450, 30 1/02 A 61 K/1966.
14. Tomova, M, et al. - Planta medica, 3, 1974, 213.
15. Tomova, M. et al. - Planta medica, 3, 1974, 233.
16. Tomova, M., R. Gyulemetova et S. Zarkova - aut. lic. (11) 27584 a 61 K 35/1978.
17. Tomova, M., et R. Gyulemetova - aut. license (11) 2, 2(51) A 1K 35/1978.
18. Tomova, M. et R. Gyulemetova - Planta Medica, 2, 188.
19. Tomova, M. et al. Steroidal saponins from Tribulus terrestris L., Varna, 1981.
20. Tomova, M. et al. - License 68478/18.01.1985
21. Yan Wang et al. Steroidal saponins from fruits of Tribulus terrestris. - Phytochemistry, 45, 1996, No. 4, 1996.
22. Vankov, S. On Tribestan pharmacology. Scientific-Technical Report, 1980.
23. Viktorov, L et al. Clinical trial of Tribestan - 1 Med., 2, 1982.
24. Zarkova, S. - Dissertation, 1978.

D. Obreshkova
Central Laboratory
Sopharma Ltd.
16 Iliensko Chaussee St.
Sofia, Bulgaria 1220

 

[KillerStack]

INCORRECT.

Look at the dates of when the studies were conducted bro. There's your answer for the inconsistency of results.

Interesting how all the old eastern bloc research was always wildly successful, whether it was Ecdysterone, Deer Antlers or Tribulus. There is a reason for this.

I challenge you to find any fresh research that corroborates this older research. With that I mean a recent human trial showing testosterone elevations.

 

[Supreme Sports]

Look at the dates of when the studies were conducted bro. There's your answer for the inconsistency of results.

Interesting how all the old eastern bloc research was always wildly successful, whether it was Ecdysterone, Deer Antlers or Tribulus. There is a reason for this.

I challenge you to find any fresh research that corroborates this older research. With that I mean a recent human trial showing testosterone elevations.

Tribulus itself is WORTHLESS GARBAGE, it is the PROTODIOSCIN that is responsible for stimulating the pituitary to secrete LH and subsequently testosterone.

*The study YOU POSTED did not use a STANDARDIZED TRIBULUS EXTRACT CONTAINING 10% PROTODIOSCIN OR MORE.

 

[KillerStack]

Tribulus itself is WORTHLESS GARBAGE, it is the PROTODIOSCIN that is responsible for stimulating the pituitary to secrete LH and subsequently testosterone.

Evidence that protodioscin elevates testosterone in humans please. I mean something less than 15-20 years old. There is no modern research that supports this claim.

*The study YOU POSTED did not use a STANDARDIZED TRIBULUS EXTRACT CONTAINING 10% PROTODIOSCIN OR MORE.

How do you know? Do you have the full study?

BTW, does your product contain Bulgarian Tribulus? Has it been independently analyzed for protodioscin content? By this I don't mean a manufacturer COA. Do you have a lab analysis you could post?

 

[Swifto]

There is no research available, because IMHO, it doesnt raise testosterone at all. Its bullshit and so is Lj100.

Companies use the "articles" and "studies" done on various products to convince users it works. But its meerly another selling point.

Its like Ross saying, "AndroG will double your gains whilst on a cycle" and "AndroG will minimize and prevent HPTA shutdown". Which is dam right absurd and dangerous.

 

[abadseal]

There is no research available, because IMHO, it doesnt raise testosterone at all. Its bullshit and so is Lj100.

Companies use the "articles" and "studies" done on various products to convince users it works. But its meerly another selling point.

Its like Ross saying, "AndroG will double your gains whilst on a cycle" and "AndroG will minimize and prevent HPTA shutdown". Which is dam right absurd and dangerous.

That makes 2 of us.

 

[Swifto]

That makes 2 of us.

I'm glad more and more people are seeing the light and not wool pulled over their eyes.

Just to add. The two "artilces" and "studies" arnt published anywhere reputable at all (Medline and Pubmed come to mind).

 

[Swifto]

Tribulus itself is WORTHLESS GARBAGE, it is the PROTODIOSCIN that is responsible for stimulating the pituitary to secrete LH and subsequently testosterone.

*The study YOU POSTED did not use a STANDARDIZED TRIBULUS EXTRACT CONTAINING 10% PROTODIOSCIN OR MORE.

Where do you get this "10%" figure Ross?

Show me a study (reputable) showing your claim of "10%" or more please, that will show an increase in androgen production.

 

[Supreme Sports]

BTW, does your product contain Bulgarian Tribulus? Has it been independently analyzed for protodioscin content? By this I don't mean a manufacturer COA. Do you have a lab analysis you could post?

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Certificate of Analysis
Tribulus Terrestris Standardized Extract 20% Protodioscin
Batch No: P070401 Manufacturing Date: Apr. 2007
SpecificationResult
Botanical Name: Tribulus Terrestris Tribulus Terrestris
Common Name: Tribulus Tribulus
Country of Origin: Bulgaria Bulgaria
Part Used: Fruit
Shelf Life: 2 years if stored in a cool, dry place
ORGANOLEPTIC
Color Brown Brown
Odor Characteristic Characteristic
Flavor Characteristic Characteristic
Clarity Fine Powder Fine Powder Form/Texture Fine Powder Fine Powder Extraneous Material None None
CHEMICAL CHARACTERISTICS
Average Mesh Size 80 mesh 100% pass 80 mesh
Moisture Content <0.5% 0.37%
Ash Content <0.1% 0.025%
TLC, HPLC, GC, or IR Verified HPLC HPLC
Active Ingredient Strength 20% Protodioscin 22% Protodioscin
Sulfite Content N/A N/A
Heavy Metals (PPM): (Lead & Mercury) 10ppm Pass 10ppm
Arsenic (PPM) N/A N/A
MICROBIAL EVALUATION
Aerobic Plate Count (CFU/G) <10,000 CFU/gram 9 CFU/g
Yeast and Mold Count (CFU/G) <1000 CFU/gram Negative
E. Coli Negative Negative
Coliform Negative Negative
Salmonella Negative Negative
Staphylococcus Aureus Negative Negative
Streptococci Negative Negative
PRODUCT TREATMENT
Organic Solvent Residue Negative Negative
Sterilization Agent/Fumigant/Other Negative Negative
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[Swifto]

Aphrodisiac properties of Tribulus Terrestris extract (Protodioscin) in normal and castrated rats.Gauthaman K, Adaikan PG, Prasad RN.
Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, National University Hospital, National University of Singapore, Singapore 119704, Singapore.

Tribulus terrestris (TT) has long been used in the traditional Chinese and Indian systems of medicine for the treatment of various ailments and is popularly claimed to improve sexual functions in man. Sexual behaviour and intracavernous pressure (ICP) were studied in both normal and castrated rats to further understand the role of TT containing protodioscin (PTN) as an aphrodisiac. Adult Sprague-Dawley rats were divided into five groups of 8 each that included distilled water treated (normal and castrated), testosterone treated (normal and castrated, 10 mg/kg body weight, subcutaneously, bi-weekly) and TT treated (castrated, 5 mg/kg body weight, orally once daily). Decreases in body weight, prostate weight and ICP were observed among the castrated groups of rats compared to the intact group. There was an overall reduction in the sexual behaviour parameters in the castrated groups of rats as reflected by decrease in mount and intromission frequencies (MF and IF) and increase in mount, intromission, ejaculation latencies (ML, IL, EL) as well as post-ejaculatory interval (PEI). Compared to the castrated control, treatment of castrated rats (with either testosterone or TT extract) showed increase in prostate weight and ICP that were statistically significant. There was also a mild to moderate improvement of the sexual behaviour parameters as evidenced by increase in MF and IF; decrease in ML, IL and PEI. These results were statistically significant. It is concluded that TT extract appears to possess aphrodisiac activity probably due to androgen increasing property of TT (observed in our earlier study on primates).

PMID: 12127159 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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