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Underdosed Gear

I agree with him about what he said about the tren. I too made it from the pellets and there is no way in hell I could have taken 500 mg/wk of that stuff without going nuts with not sleeping, sweating, etc. Later on I used some powder tren and it was nowhere near as powerful, same with the UG I tried. Pellets was where it was at.
 
I still have about 30ml of some I made about 1 1/2 year ago. Maybe longer. Just waiting to heal up and I'm gonna kill it.
 
I guess nobody is able to buy the pellets anymore, from what I hear?
 
Having shit underdosed is just apart of the game, that's why it is called underground, if the stuff I use is underdosed, I really dont care. This isn't a legal government regulated business, so if you dont like it, go to an anti-aging clinic or you best deal with what you got. It's cheap enough these days where if I'm only getting 75%of what is claimed I'm ok with that.
 
why wouldn't it be underdosed?
that IS why everyone says pharma is so great. its not better, its the same (should be) its just dosed properly.
if a UG lab could save a few bucks dosing something 90% of what it really should be why wouldn't they? no one watching.... and if you wanted test e but all they have is test c you don't think they just switch out labels? possibly same thing with npp and deca.... no quality control is no quality control.
not saying they are doing this but am pointing out there is not reason they cant.
-JS
 
i have been hearing these kind of arguments for a while. i myself remember when 3 amps of karachi sust was more than enough to have you be jacked! so i decided to test(just for myself) this out. i ordered 50amps of testoviron test e and ran 30amps.....then switched to my original source......i found no difference at all. now that being said....i am very confident in my source so maybe thats where its really at.
 
sadly enough even HG gear is faked now , you just have to find some one you can really really trust , i was going to post this but this thread beat me to it. Without going into to much detail, there is a new brand here in the uk of aas, the guys behind it are very passionate about their correct doses, hygiene and even the oil used being friendly to the body. Anyway long story short, every single person i know who is using these guys stuff has had to drop dosages by 1/2 and is some cases 3/4. Just an example of myself, i am on 500mg test cyp, 500mg deca and 200mg tren e per week, ive just started dieting the past 3 weeks, i dont fuck around when i diet, ive dropped cals significantly , ive increased cardio significantly, the results in 3 weeks is ive lost 4lbs , just over 2 inches on my waist, all my lifts are up and my actual weight is starting to go up plus i dont even feel like im on a diet. to say im shocked is an understatement, im also not new to dieting , ive competed a good few times and although ive never used much aas i have been up to a total of 1g a few times. in the past off season and this aas blows it out the water because i feel like im on a bulk whilst trying to recomp.

One of my friends was fortunate enough to get some real gh distributed by the hospitals over here, anyway he went to go ahead and take his 5 i.u like he normally would with his chinese gh , took it and literally couldnt go to work for 2 days the water retention was incredible , he would get a full body pump just picking up some fucking groceries.

If you guys want a decent brand , they claim to be HG but theres a lot going on about that, alpha pharma are very good, their parabolan is great and their test / deca / prop is BANG ON.
 
What scares me the most is: if 25% of what I am injecting into my body is what I am told it is, what is the other 75% and what is that going to do to my body?
 
sorry this guy in the video is a tool! I had to laugh when he introduces his video, then says "now lets start with a double bicep... (exhale)" Seriously? Why doesn`t he have some brands tested then have a SINGLE fact to talk about. Lots of bro-science opinion.
 
Though, my biggest fear is not under dosed, its if I am REALLY getting the ingredients that it claims to be... for example I am using an UG Primo, it could very well be EQ or some other shit which I have zero way of knowing..
If you've been around the block a few years EQ, Test, etc all have a distinct smell even after they are blended with ingredients. :D
 
we pay alot for this stuff nowadays

when I first started bodybuilding there was no internet..shit was harder to come by. so I set out on a quest to get my own through doctors, it was not hard. my ex wife worked in a obgyn office and her friend ordered the drugs. she told them I had a low test level and they ordered me 10 x 10ccs of test cyp 200mg, for less than $100 bucks, straight from the pharmacy real test cyp for $8.50 a 10cc bottle, that's how cheap the real shit is.

then I also got real anadrol 50 from another doctor for less than a $100 for 100ct. Now I know this was back in the late 80's early 90's, but serioulsly we pay huge prices for whatever we are getting (only God knows). I wanted to post this so you all would know how cheap REAL shit is. some people think that real shit cost more. well it does on the black market. I know that sounds unreal but that is the truth. It cost pennies for the big pharmacy companies to make the real legit shit.
 
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Awesome Vid. When I ask people how they take over 500mg of tren and they talk shit to me. I knew I knew wtf I was talking about...

This guy has an awesome bicep pose btw!!!
 
I was doing a search and I found this article on testing from 2008 by William Llewellyn. The window for how much over and under the dose can be is interesting. A lot of the products were WAY overdosed, which some people will say is great, but that creates trouble on many levels!

Going Underground?
by William Llewellyn, with Ronny Tober (Sept. 23, 2008)



There is no question about it. Underground steroid products make up the dominant share of the global steroid business now. What was once a market largely fed by real prescription drugs, is now one where small-scale underground manufacturing and home brewing operations thrive. The underground market does accomplish one very substantial thing – it allows the very large demand for these drugs to be met. It will be the first to admit, that were it not for the underground aspect of this trade, there would be far fewer drugs in commerce, and far fewer people with access to them. But this article is not about the availability of underground steroids. It is about their safety.

Underground steroids are indeed everywhere. But are they actually safe to use? Are underground steroids truly equivalent to the prescription drugs they are to replace? Those in support of the underground business often herald their favorite brands. Who is to blame them when they have access to a company that can supply them the variety, and often great value, that can be found with underground steroids. Many readers will recognize that we have had a very active testing history at Body of Science. In fact, I suspect that no single magazine or online community has tested as much as we have. But we too have our limitations. Up until now, our testing has been focused solely on the steroid content of a product. In other words, we have been able to tell you if X steroid was present in Y amount, but that is it.

The Labs

In an effort to help consumers REALLY assess the quality and potential health risks of underground steroid products, BodyofScience.com and ANABOLICS undertook a detailed joint drug analysis project. This project focused solely on examining the quality of steroids made from underground facilities, and exceeded the normal scope of testing by examining a number of other variables often overlooked in dosage testing. A total of 14 underground steroid samples were selected for laboratory testing, which included products from Amplio Labs, British Dragon, Diamond Pharma, Generic Anabolics, Generic Pharma, Lizard Laboratories, Medical Inc., Microbiological Labs, Nordic Supplements, Shark Laboratories, SWE Supplements, and Troy Labs. Included in this list were drugs that were made from small underground manufacturers, mid-level operations, and even producers large enough to have their items assembled under contract by drug manufacturing facilities. All 14 samples were analyzed at a registered and licensed facility in the U.S.

The Tests

There were four specific areas of testing for this market analysis project. The first test was to look for the presence of toxic heavy metals such metals as lead, tin, mercury, and arsenic. Next, we commissioned the standard steroid quantification testing to see how these products were dosed. After this we looked to see if there were any unknown steroidal contaminants in the products. Pharmaceutical grade steroids will be highly pure. Unprocessed intermediary chemicals or other contaminants should not appear upon analysis. The presence of unknown steroidal substances signifies that lower quality materials (not made to pharmaceutical standards) were used. Finally, we examined for the presence of the flavoring agent 2,4-decadienal. This material is common to food products, and its presence demonstrates that food-grade oil (not highly pure pharmaceutical grade oil for injection) was used during product manufacture.

The Results

A detailing of the first 2 results from this testing series is available below, for all readers to see. Overall, the products examined in this study reflected extremely poorly on the quality of the underground steroid market. To begin with, more than 20% of the products (1 in 5) contained heavy metal contamination. While pre-market testing would have noticed this, if such products were ever found on pharmacy shelves in the U.S. it would trigger an immediate nationwide recall. Next, an examination of basic drug dosing showed many deviations. Approximately 35% of the products were actually significantly overdosed. While this was likely done in an effort to produce a stronger user response and loyal customer base, this is unacceptable and does raise many potential safety issues. The remaining results will be published in the upcoming release of William Llewellyn’s ANABOLICS 7th Edition (2009).


test #1: Heavy Metals Contamination

Sample Contamination Result
1. methandrostenolone None Detected (<0.002) PASS
2. testosterone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
3. testosterone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
4. testosterone propionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
5. boldenone undecylenate Metals Found (>0.002) FAIL
6. testosterone cypionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
7. boldenone undecylenate Metals Found (<0.002) FAIL
8. trenbolone hexahydro. None Detected (<0.002) PASS
9. testosterone cypionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
10. methenolone enanthate Metals Found (>0.002) FAIL
11. testosterone cypionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
12. nandrolone decanoate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
13. methenolone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
14. trenbolone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS

Failure Rate: 21%


test #2: Dosage vs. Label Claim (mg/mL)

Sample Labeled Dose / Actual Dose / Percentage of Claim / Pass Fail Status
1. methandrostenolone 25 mg 115 mg 459% FAIL
2. testosterone enanthate 250 mg 440 mg 176% FAIL
3. testosterone enanthate 250 mg 408 mg 163% FAIL
4. testosterone propionate 75 mg 127 mg 169% FAIL
5. boldenone undecylenate 200 mg 240 mg 120% PASS
6. testosterone cypionate 200 mg 204 mg 102% PASS
7. boldenone undecylenate 200 mg 178 mg 89% PASS
8. trenbolone hexahydro. 76 mg 190 mg 249% FAIL
9. testosterone cypionate 200 mg 177 mg 88% PASS
10. methenolone enanthate 100 mg 54 mg 54% FAIL
11. testosterone cypionate 250 mg 171 mg 69% FAIL
12. nandrolone decanoate 250 mg 228 mg 91% PASS
13. methenolone enanthate 100 mg 78 mg 78% FAIL
14. trenbolone enanthate 100 mg 0 mg 0% FAIL

Failure Rate: 64% (+/- >20% of Label Claim)


Conclusion

The results are fairly self-explanatory. Even with just these two sets of tests under our belt, serious problems are evident. The heavy metals, of course, are alarming. The metals tested here are all known to pose specific threats to health when they accumulate in the body. Those metals considered inert (such as iron and aluminum) were not included. Heavy metals are common in chemical-manufacturing operations, but are normally removed through very careful product assembly and purification steps. They were likely found here because the raw materials used to make some of these steroids was simply made “cheaply”, without the expense needed to hit true drug-grade purity. This type of material could be considered “food grade”, and likely dominates most of the underground market.

This article is certainly not meant to be an outright attack on underground products. Indeed, to many bodybuilders these products fill an important niche, which is very understandable. Indeed also, there are products to be found on the underground market that are made to high quality standards. In fact, these results should underline the other side of the coin, that it is possible for underground steroids to meet the level of true pharmaceutical grade drug purity. After all, some of these products did not have any unacceptable heavy metals, and were properly dosed. The very difficult trick, however, can be just finding them. Either way, I feel it is very important to be aware of the good and the bad of the underground anabolic/androgenic steroid market before you make any decisions. Stay informed. Stay safe.
 
I was doing a search and I found this article on testing from 2008 by William Llewellyn. The window for how much over and under the dose can be is interesting. A lot of the products were WAY overdosed, which some people will say is great, but that creates trouble on many levels!

Going Underground?
by William Llewellyn, with Ronny Tober (Sept. 23, 2008)



There is no question about it. Underground steroid products make up the dominant share of the global steroid business now. What was once a market largely fed by real prescription drugs, is now one where small-scale underground manufacturing and home brewing operations thrive. The underground market does accomplish one very substantial thing – it allows the very large demand for these drugs to be met. It will be the first to admit, that were it not for the underground aspect of this trade, there would be far fewer drugs in commerce, and far fewer people with access to them. But this article is not about the availability of underground steroids. It is about their safety.

Underground steroids are indeed everywhere. But are they actually safe to use? Are underground steroids truly equivalent to the prescription drugs they are to replace? Those in support of the underground business often herald their favorite brands. Who is to blame them when they have access to a company that can supply them the variety, and often great value, that can be found with underground steroids. Many readers will recognize that we have had a very active testing history at Body of Science. In fact, I suspect that no single magazine or online community has tested as much as we have. But we too have our limitations. Up until now, our testing has been focused solely on the steroid content of a product. In other words, we have been able to tell you if X steroid was present in Y amount, but that is it.

The Labs

In an effort to help consumers REALLY assess the quality and potential health risks of underground steroid products, BodyofScience.com and ANABOLICS undertook a detailed joint drug analysis project. This project focused solely on examining the quality of steroids made from underground facilities, and exceeded the normal scope of testing by examining a number of other variables often overlooked in dosage testing. A total of 14 underground steroid samples were selected for laboratory testing, which included products from Amplio Labs, British Dragon, Diamond Pharma, Generic Anabolics, Generic Pharma, Lizard Laboratories, Medical Inc., Microbiological Labs, Nordic Supplements, Shark Laboratories, SWE Supplements, and Troy Labs. Included in this list were drugs that were made from small underground manufacturers, mid-level operations, and even producers large enough to have their items assembled under contract by drug manufacturing facilities. All 14 samples were analyzed at a registered and licensed facility in the U.S.

The Tests

There were four specific areas of testing for this market analysis project. The first test was to look for the presence of toxic heavy metals such metals as lead, tin, mercury, and arsenic. Next, we commissioned the standard steroid quantification testing to see how these products were dosed. After this we looked to see if there were any unknown steroidal contaminants in the products. Pharmaceutical grade steroids will be highly pure. Unprocessed intermediary chemicals or other contaminants should not appear upon analysis. The presence of unknown steroidal substances signifies that lower quality materials (not made to pharmaceutical standards) were used. Finally, we examined for the presence of the flavoring agent 2,4-decadienal. This material is common to food products, and its presence demonstrates that food-grade oil (not highly pure pharmaceutical grade oil for injection) was used during product manufacture.

The Results

A detailing of the first 2 results from this testing series is available below, for all readers to see. Overall, the products examined in this study reflected extremely poorly on the quality of the underground steroid market. To begin with, more than 20% of the products (1 in 5) contained heavy metal contamination. While pre-market testing would have noticed this, if such products were ever found on pharmacy shelves in the U.S. it would trigger an immediate nationwide recall. Next, an examination of basic drug dosing showed many deviations. Approximately 35% of the products were actually significantly overdosed. While this was likely done in an effort to produce a stronger user response and loyal customer base, this is unacceptable and does raise many potential safety issues. The remaining results will be published in the upcoming release of William Llewellyn’s ANABOLICS 7th Edition (2009).


test #1: Heavy Metals Contamination

Sample Contamination Result
1. methandrostenolone None Detected (<0.002) PASS
2. testosterone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
3. testosterone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
4. testosterone propionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
5. boldenone undecylenate Metals Found (>0.002) FAIL
6. testosterone cypionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
7. boldenone undecylenate Metals Found (<0.002) FAIL
8. trenbolone hexahydro. None Detected (<0.002) PASS
9. testosterone cypionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
10. methenolone enanthate Metals Found (>0.002) FAIL
11. testosterone cypionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
12. nandrolone decanoate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
13. methenolone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
14. trenbolone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS

Failure Rate: 21%


test #2: Dosage vs. Label Claim (mg/mL)

Sample Labeled Dose / Actual Dose / Percentage of Claim / Pass Fail Status
1. methandrostenolone 25 mg 115 mg 459% FAIL
2. testosterone enanthate 250 mg 440 mg 176% FAIL
3. testosterone enanthate 250 mg 408 mg 163% FAIL
4. testosterone propionate 75 mg 127 mg 169% FAIL
5. boldenone undecylenate 200 mg 240 mg 120% PASS
6. testosterone cypionate 200 mg 204 mg 102% PASS
7. boldenone undecylenate 200 mg 178 mg 89% PASS
8. trenbolone hexahydro. 76 mg 190 mg 249% FAIL
9. testosterone cypionate 200 mg 177 mg 88% PASS
10. methenolone enanthate 100 mg 54 mg 54% FAIL
11. testosterone cypionate 250 mg 171 mg 69% FAIL
12. nandrolone decanoate 250 mg 228 mg 91% PASS
13. methenolone enanthate 100 mg 78 mg 78% FAIL
14. trenbolone enanthate 100 mg 0 mg 0% FAIL

Failure Rate: 64% (+/- >20% of Label Claim)


Conclusion

The results are fairly self-explanatory. Even with just these two sets of tests under our belt, serious problems are evident. The heavy metals, of course, are alarming. The metals tested here are all known to pose specific threats to health when they accumulate in the body. Those metals considered inert (such as iron and aluminum) were not included. Heavy metals are common in chemical-manufacturing operations, but are normally removed through very careful product assembly and purification steps. They were likely found here because the raw materials used to make some of these steroids was simply made “cheaply”, without the expense needed to hit true drug-grade purity. This type of material could be considered “food grade”, and likely dominates most of the underground market.

This article is certainly not meant to be an outright attack on underground products. Indeed, to many bodybuilders these products fill an important niche, which is very understandable. Indeed also, there are products to be found on the underground market that are made to high quality standards. In fact, these results should underline the other side of the coin, that it is possible for underground steroids to meet the level of true pharmaceutical grade drug purity. After all, some of these products did not have any unacceptable heavy metals, and were properly dosed. The very difficult trick, however, can be just finding them. Either way, I feel it is very important to be aware of the good and the bad of the underground anabolic/androgenic steroid market before you make any decisions. Stay informed. Stay safe.

This is why I chose to get a script for real Test for my TRT rather than self medicate. I don't think all these metals adding up over the years on self TRT would be good at all. I do choose to blast with UGL though, and I have had no problems so far with my sponsor.
 
Bio, that was an awesome find. This raises a lot of potential questions.
 
Bio nice find. I have the 2007 William llewellyns anabolics 6th edition.in there he has it broken down by each type and brand. What they claim and what they actually test at.
 
If your sponsor has been around a long time, that's a tell tale sign they are properly dosed.
 

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