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Growing Dad
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Water Based Injectables
Just curious...
Is it just a sad fact of life that water based compounds sting like crazy after the shoot? I have shot WinnyV & B12 complex, both made my ass hurt all day!
I know you can drink Winny, can you drink B12 as well?
GD
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FRKNHUGE
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it is a bad fact, lol
yes i think they all sting to some extent
well if u wannna drink the b12 why dont u just go get tabs??
just a question
idk, i never use any appetite stim, i like to eat, lol
plus on the winn inj
why did u go in ur butt?, winny is an awesome site inj compound
just a q, lol
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Growing Dad
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I'm still a needle wimp!
I had no prob shootin test and deca once or twice a week, but the daily shot thing still makes me cringe.
The B12 complex I have requires daily inj. (next time I go through syntherol! Lesson learned.) From what I understand tablet B12 is very poorly assimilated in the stomach(Vitamin Bible).
I felt awesome shortly after the shoot of B's. My butt cheek on the other hand still F'n hurts!
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Growing Dad
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Breakdown of my Vet B Complex
Each bottle is 100ml manufactured by Universal Cooperatives Inc. Minneapolis,Minn.
They say the solution is-and-of itself sterile.
Each ml contains
Thiamine HCI 100mg
Riboflavin Phosphate Sodium 5mg
Niacinamide 100mg
d-Panthenol 10mg
Pyridoxine HCI 10mg
Cobalt (as Cyanocobalamin) 4.0 ppm
Benzyl Alcohol 1.5%
Citric Acid 5mg
Water for Injection q.a.
Suggestions on proper dose?
I only shot 1.5ml yesterday. I drank 2ml today, tried to hold it under my tounge for awhile but it tasted so horrid I swallowed it and chugged a full gallon of water!
GD
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Mikey
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I used to mix B-12 and W-v and inject in the upper outer thigh thigh with an insulin pin worked great.
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Growing Dad
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Risk of hitting a vein?
When shooting b-complex is the risk of hitting a vein still a concern? My B is so dark that when I pull back on the plunger to check for blood I can't tell! Is it dangerous like gear if it got shot into a vein?
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Big A
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If it goes in a vein is not as bad as when oils do.
If you are worried, inject it subq.
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01-26-2002 08:51 AM
Growing Dad
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Please explain subq.
I can't seem to find any info on that method.
If I'm not mistaken, subq means under the skin?
Please elaborate.
Thanks,
GD
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xcelbeyond
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Re: Risk of hitting a vein?
quote:
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Originally posted by Growing Dad
When shooting b-complex is the risk of hitting a vein still a concern? My B is so dark that when I pull back on the plunger to check for blood I can't tell! Is it dangerous like gear if it got shot into a vein?
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It's just a "habit" that I believe you should ALWAYS get into: Aspirate and don't inject into a vein (you have enough shit on your mind when poking than to thinking do I aspirate or not!).
Now you said you were mixing Winny in with you B-12. OF COURSE you need to aspirate!
Not flaming you bro, but as I said before your body is only going to assimilate XXX amount of B-vitamins, regardless of how it's taken (oral or injectible), then you'll piss the rest out. While you may get a better "initial" hit by injecting, I believe you're finding out how much "fun" water-based injectibles are!
You never stated in your previous post that you were mixing Winny with B-12. I just read in another post of yours that said you're not taking any gear now? What is Winny a new injectible supplement that I don't know about - j/k?
I hope you don't think that you're off-cycle and taking winny - it's a 17-aa steroid - and oral or inject is hard on liver! If you are taking it, why not site inject as Frkn said. You might as well benefit from the pain.
I hope you don't think I'm flamin ya bro! In "my opinion," a bridge is "off" all gear. I've been bridging with Syntheselen (2ml ED) and nicotine - I'm more vascular now (& i'm never very vascular, even in contest shape) than on gear!
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xcelbeyond
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And don't think about injecting Winny sbq.
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Big A
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To inj subq, you pinch the skin on your stomach for example. Using an insulin pin (ie. 29g) you inject straight into the skin fold that you are holding with your other hand. Simple and painless.
And don't inject subq the winny! You only subq the B12.
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Growing Dad
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Location: Arizona
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Not me..
The post about mixing winny & B was from "Mikey" not me.
I "finished" my "cycle" with winny.
THANK YOU FOR THE INFO GENTS!
I am "fully" off gear. But not for long!
As far as aspirating goes, the first time I ever did it I passed out Fn cold, woke up in a pool of sweat! I am "getting used to it" as I have done it dozens of times since then. The mind can be a powerful foe somtimes!
PEACE
GD
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xcelbeyond
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Location: West Coast
Posts: 336
Re: Water Based Injectables
quote:
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Originally posted by Growing Dad
Just curious...
Is it just a sad fact of life that water based compounds sting like crazy after the shoot? I have shot WinnyV & B12 complex, both made my ass hurt all day!
I know you can drink Winny, can you drink B12 as well?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry GD. I assumed from this post that you were mixing the 2, not that you have just taken them both (at separate times).
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Growing Dad
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Ain't no thang.
And looking back at that, I see how you thought that.
Peace!
GD
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Big Red Johnson
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Growing Dad...
quote:
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If I'm not mistaken, subq means under the skin?
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Hey, FYI, subq is short for "sub-cutaneous" which does mean, under the skin.
Wow, I finnally get to post something again! I come here every day to toss in my .02 but seems to be nuttin for me to say!
hehe
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ironone1
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I've been using Zambon with Testex injections with no pain at all. Just a little stiffness in area a little while after. Maybe your using vet gear? The good human grade I found doesn't hurt.
Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 136
Water Based Injectables
Just curious...
Is it just a sad fact of life that water based compounds sting like crazy after the shoot? I have shot WinnyV & B12 complex, both made my ass hurt all day!
I know you can drink Winny, can you drink B12 as well?
GD
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01-25-2002 11:25 AM
FRKNHUGE
Future Junior Natl Powerlifting Champ
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: in your bed with ur girl, lol
Posts: 289
it is a bad fact, lol
yes i think they all sting to some extent
well if u wannna drink the b12 why dont u just go get tabs??
just a question
idk, i never use any appetite stim, i like to eat, lol
plus on the winn inj
why did u go in ur butt?, winny is an awesome site inj compound
just a q, lol
frk
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01-25-2002 11:28 AM
Growing Dad
Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 136
I'm still a needle wimp!
I had no prob shootin test and deca once or twice a week, but the daily shot thing still makes me cringe.
The B12 complex I have requires daily inj. (next time I go through syntherol! Lesson learned.) From what I understand tablet B12 is very poorly assimilated in the stomach(Vitamin Bible).
I felt awesome shortly after the shoot of B's. My butt cheek on the other hand still F'n hurts!
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01-25-2002 11:41 AM
Growing Dad
Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 136
Breakdown of my Vet B Complex
Each bottle is 100ml manufactured by Universal Cooperatives Inc. Minneapolis,Minn.
They say the solution is-and-of itself sterile.
Each ml contains
Thiamine HCI 100mg
Riboflavin Phosphate Sodium 5mg
Niacinamide 100mg
d-Panthenol 10mg
Pyridoxine HCI 10mg
Cobalt (as Cyanocobalamin) 4.0 ppm
Benzyl Alcohol 1.5%
Citric Acid 5mg
Water for Injection q.a.
Suggestions on proper dose?
I only shot 1.5ml yesterday. I drank 2ml today, tried to hold it under my tounge for awhile but it tasted so horrid I swallowed it and chugged a full gallon of water!
GD
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01-25-2002 11:47 AM
Mikey
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Somewhere in the USA
Posts: 13
I used to mix B-12 and W-v and inject in the upper outer thigh thigh with an insulin pin worked great.
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01-25-2002 12:01 PM
Growing Dad
Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 136
Risk of hitting a vein?
When shooting b-complex is the risk of hitting a vein still a concern? My B is so dark that when I pull back on the plunger to check for blood I can't tell! Is it dangerous like gear if it got shot into a vein?
GD
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01-26-2002 08:12 AM
Big A
IFBB PRO / Moderator
Registered: Oct 2001
Location:
Posts: 428
If it goes in a vein is not as bad as when oils do.
If you are worried, inject it subq.
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01-26-2002 08:51 AM
Growing Dad
Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 136
Please explain subq.
I can't seem to find any info on that method.
If I'm not mistaken, subq means under the skin?
Please elaborate.
Thanks,
GD
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01-27-2002 10:07 AM
xcelbeyond
Better than avg BB'er
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: West Coast
Posts: 336
Re: Risk of hitting a vein?
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Growing Dad
When shooting b-complex is the risk of hitting a vein still a concern? My B is so dark that when I pull back on the plunger to check for blood I can't tell! Is it dangerous like gear if it got shot into a vein?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It's just a "habit" that I believe you should ALWAYS get into: Aspirate and don't inject into a vein (you have enough shit on your mind when poking than to thinking do I aspirate or not!).
Now you said you were mixing Winny in with you B-12. OF COURSE you need to aspirate!
Not flaming you bro, but as I said before your body is only going to assimilate XXX amount of B-vitamins, regardless of how it's taken (oral or injectible), then you'll piss the rest out. While you may get a better "initial" hit by injecting, I believe you're finding out how much "fun" water-based injectibles are!
You never stated in your previous post that you were mixing Winny with B-12. I just read in another post of yours that said you're not taking any gear now? What is Winny a new injectible supplement that I don't know about - j/k?
I hope you don't think that you're off-cycle and taking winny - it's a 17-aa steroid - and oral or inject is hard on liver! If you are taking it, why not site inject as Frkn said. You might as well benefit from the pain.
I hope you don't think I'm flamin ya bro! In "my opinion," a bridge is "off" all gear. I've been bridging with Syntheselen (2ml ED) and nicotine - I'm more vascular now (& i'm never very vascular, even in contest shape) than on gear!
xcelbeyond
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01-27-2002 08:48 PM
xcelbeyond
Better than avg BB'er
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: West Coast
Posts: 336
And don't think about injecting Winny sbq.
xcelbeyond
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01-27-2002 08:49 PM
Big A
IFBB PRO / Moderator
Registered: Oct 2001
Location:
Posts: 428
To inj subq, you pinch the skin on your stomach for example. Using an insulin pin (ie. 29g) you inject straight into the skin fold that you are holding with your other hand. Simple and painless.
And don't inject subq the winny! You only subq the B12.
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01-27-2002 09:33 PM
Growing Dad
Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 136
Not me..
The post about mixing winny & B was from "Mikey" not me.
I "finished" my "cycle" with winny.
THANK YOU FOR THE INFO GENTS!
I am "fully" off gear. But not for long!
As far as aspirating goes, the first time I ever did it I passed out Fn cold, woke up in a pool of sweat! I am "getting used to it" as I have done it dozens of times since then. The mind can be a powerful foe somtimes!
PEACE
GD
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01-27-2002 09:45 PM
xcelbeyond
Better than avg BB'er
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: West Coast
Posts: 336
Re: Water Based Injectables
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Growing Dad
Just curious...
Is it just a sad fact of life that water based compounds sting like crazy after the shoot? I have shot WinnyV & B12 complex, both made my ass hurt all day!
I know you can drink Winny, can you drink B12 as well?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry GD. I assumed from this post that you were mixing the 2, not that you have just taken them both (at separate times).
xcelbeyond
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Growing Dad
Senior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 136
Ain't no thang.
And looking back at that, I see how you thought that.
Peace!
GD
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01-27-2002 10:00 PM
Big Red Johnson
Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Lala Land, OHIO. USA
Posts: 37
Growing Dad...
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If I'm not mistaken, subq means under the skin?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hey, FYI, subq is short for "sub-cutaneous" which does mean, under the skin.
Wow, I finnally get to post something again! I come here every day to toss in my .02 but seems to be nuttin for me to say!
hehe
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01-28-2002 02:05 PM
ironone1
Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Parts Unknown.
Posts: 51
I've been using Zambon with Testex injections with no pain at all. Just a little stiffness in area a little while after. Maybe your using vet gear? The good human grade I found doesn't hurt.
