Which scenario did you see more gains?(aas not involved )

[animalw/cheese]

Scenario 1
Regular training split 4-5x weekly + cardio w/structured diet in caloric surplus

Scenario 2 Training sometime 2 x a day but at least 10 times weight training week , no structure in diet eating surplus calories

Please don't include aas assume its factored already

In other words sufficient workload while in calorie surplus or surplus workout workload and surplus food

 

[bigmedic]

Scenario 1 for me. Did a show back in may and have been on a structured plan with planned cheat meals and have seen phenomenal gains for once. I have came off a show and ate like shit fr months while training and the results are nothing like having a structured food plan and sticking with surplus calories.

 

[Bigtiny8859]

i dont see your body recovering with scenario 2? even WITH aas/hgh/slin.....10 times a week? my legs are sore for like 5 days

 

[raw33man]

#1

 

[tri-terror]

Of the two that you mention, I go with 1. But there are better ways...:lightbulb:

 

[HimRoid]

#1

 

[Ehren]

To look like a bodybuilder, I'd go with option 1. Sufficient workload indicated by progress (or lack of progress) on weights/reps and a structured surplus. IMO, we need to know what's going in macros-wise and training-wise to know when to increase or decrease something.

That said, the biggest/strongest I ever got, not the best look (and with no AAS at all) was more like plan 2. 5x5 on 3 lifts, as heavy as I could in the morning, 3 hours of Track and Field training in the afternoon (So 2x a day most days) and the big difference no limit on food. I was way bigger and stronger than now, but looked like absolute shit. Pretty fat, probably about 20%.

 

[heavyhitter]

Definitely #1